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posted January 09, 2016 06:29 AM |
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nyuk nyuk nyuk. 
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posted January 09, 2016 06:55 AM |
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Homer171 said:
friendofgunnar said:
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How enlightening comment that was  Care to comment why think it was a pile of wookie poop?
Do I care to? Nah, not really.
I'll just say this though, every time I thought about the movie I found a new plot hole. For example: Why would the second most powerful person in the galaxy, who is going on a critical mission, take an untested recruit with him? It makes no sense. And that's just the first 90 seconds. You can find another plot hole approximately every 90 seconds for the entire running time of the movie.
TFA was also the most annoying movie I've ever seen. The way it's directed it's constantly breaking the fourth wall. For example: Both Notaprincess Leia and Poe knew who the crusty old guy was in the beginning of the movie. Snoke, Faschist-dude, and EmoBen also knew who the crusty old guy was. Rey lived for several years within walking distance of the crusty old guy so she would have known as well. Everybody in the movie knew who he was so why the hell didn't Abrams tell us, the viewer who he was? Seriously, **** Abrams with a rusty lightsaber.
Yeah, this is the only movie I can think of that I've ever hated. The prequels were idiotic and boring but I didn't hate them.
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fred79
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posted January 09, 2016 07:15 AM |
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but how do you REALLY feel, FoG? tell us.
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posted January 09, 2016 09:30 AM |
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I can't stop thinking about how ****ty this movie is. It actually does something that I didn't think was possible - it reaches back in time and ruins the original trilogy. For example:
Remember Luke, that young hero who risks his life trying to destroy the death star, and then is so brave that he goes to confront the emperor of the galaxy and Darth Vader unarmed? Yeah, it turns out that later on in life he spends several years sulking on an island while a new fascist organization tries to take over the galaxy.
Remember Han? It turns out that he declines a general's pension (plot hole!) in order to go back to smuggling, which is to say flouting the laws of the new government that his lovely wife helped establish. Yeah, turns out he was really an a-hole the whole time. Meanwhile his poodle Chewbacca has been spending 30 years looking for some character development and will apparently need to keep searching.
Speaking of Notaprincess Leia...such a plucky girl in the original trilogy. Only now we find out that she's been sitting on her ass smoking cigars while an evil organization spreads across the galaxy and builds a megaweapon. Only after the megaweapon is complete and kills billions of people does she actually launch an attack against the base. Epic Neville-Chamberlin-sized fail. This can't be the "there is another" that they were talking about in ESB, can it?
This is what I mean by the movie is a dogturd. It's like you scrape it all over your house before you realized you stepped in doody and then no matter how much time you spend cleaning the carpet and mopping it still stinks.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 09, 2016 09:34 AM |
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I don't want to argue further about the movie FOG, but it was inevitable that they ruined the series' ending with this. If they all lived happily ever after, there would be no need for a sequel. But money talks.
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posted January 09, 2016 11:00 AM |
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One could do both. There are clear or implied reasons for most of the things that happen but the real question(and test for the director) is if you buy any of it. I can overlook more things than most but I can still see them.
Ps I agree with what artu and many others have said so far. Not bad butnot really good either. Fun but often eyebrow-raising. Wish they'd taken a new direction rather than attempt a remake. I want more exploration in the force as well as new worlds. Seen one too many deserts already.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 09, 2016 11:04 AM |
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You know, sometimes I forget Jakku isn't Tatooine, that's true. And I hope Episode Eight won't be the 21st century version of Episode Five.
IF they showed us new worlds with no more "chosen one", I would've been interested too. But they didn't.
I guess I went into this with little expectations compared to some of you and really enjoyed the nostalgic pull. And that's okay. Even so I wouldn't call it a bad film.
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posted January 09, 2016 11:33 AM |
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Part of the problem is that you cannot tell if something is really that stupid or whether there is a (likely unsatisfactory) explanation.
For instance Rey's instant power boost. It is possible that she herself had been trained in the jedi temple(or in private) and the force had been used to suppress her memories for her own safety. Which might even explain the title, the force awakens.
But much as I'd like that possibility, there have been some really stupid explanations for other things. Case in point, R2 awakening. The official version is that the ball droid went and asked if it happened to have the missing map and R2 then woke up.
LAME.
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posted January 09, 2016 04:19 PM |
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friendofgunnar said:
I can't stop thinking about how ****ty this movie is. It actually does something that I didn't think was possible - it reaches back in time and ruins the original trilogy. For example:
Remember Luke, that young hero who risks his life trying to destroy the death star, and then is so brave that he goes to confront the emperor of the galaxy and Darth Vader unarmed? Yeah, it turns out that later on in life he spends several years sulking on an island while a new fascist organization tries to take over the galaxy.
Remember Han? It turns out that he declines a general's pension (plot hole!) in order to go back to smuggling, which is to say flouting the laws of the new government that his lovely wife helped establish. Yeah, turns out he was really an a-hole the whole time. Meanwhile his poodle Chewbacca has been spending 30 years looking for some character development and will apparently need to keep searching.
Speaking of Notaprincess Leia...such a plucky girl in the original trilogy. Only now we find out that she's been sitting on her ass smoking cigars while an evil organization spreads across the galaxy and builds a megaweapon. Only after the megaweapon is complete and kills billions of people does she actually launch an attack against the base. Epic Neville-Chamberlin-sized fail. This can't be the "there is another" that they were talking about in ESB, can it?
This is what I mean by the movie is a dogturd. It's like you scrape it all over your house before you realized you stepped in doody and then no matter how much time you spend cleaning the carpet and mopping it still stinks.
very good points, but you're forgetting something: it's disney, man. you'd feel better if you took it at face value. i did. that's how i was able to enjoy the movie; by not putting too much thought into it. i lowered my expectations drastically, and enjoyed it for the fact that it mimicked the original trilogy. think of it this way: at least they didn't include jar jar. 
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posted January 09, 2016 05:42 PM |
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friendofgunnar said:
Meanwhile his poodle Chewbacca has been spending 30 years looking for some character development and will apparently need to keep searching.
LOL
None of your post really has any points, because the character decisions are all believable and flow well, but it was still fun to read.
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posted January 09, 2016 08:24 PM |
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The Phantom Menace: 6 out of 10
The Clone Wars: 4 out of 10
The Revenge of the Sith: 3 out of 10
A New Hope: 8 out of 10
The Empire Strikes Back: 10 out of 10
The Return of the Jedi: 9 out of 10
The Force Awakens: 9 out of 10
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posted January 09, 2016 10:19 PM |
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The Phantom Menace: 2 out of 10
The Clone Wars: 5 out of 10
The Revenge of the Sith: 6 out of 10
A New Hope: 9 out of 10
The Empire Strikes Back: 10 out of 10
The Return of the Jedi: 9 out of 10
The Force Awakens: 9 out of 10
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posted January 09, 2016 10:36 PM |
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Okay, I'll play: *plays Imperial March" 
In order of appearance:
A New Hope - 10/10 - the original that started the frenzy, and while it may not seem like the best thing ever to younger viewers, to me it still is.
The Empire Strikes Back -9.5/10 - great all around, but technically a cliffhanger ending.
Return of the Jedi - 10/10 - Ewoks aside, it had all the ingredients to make an epic conclusion... and so it was.
The Phantom Menace - 6.5/10 - Baby boy Ani, Jar Jar and the whole "chosen one" bit downgrade this one unfortunately, despite having Liam Neeson, McGregor, Natalie and Darth Maul, and that epic line of Master Yoda's, one of the few he had in the prequels, mentioning the rule of 2. Oh, and GUNGAN ARMY FTW. 0.5 on the house for the lightsaber duel.
Attack of the Clones - 7/10 - Cons: Too much back and forth with Anakin and Padme, the lame lame LAME way Obi-Wan found the Clones, Dooku just being there to sound cool... but still Pros: less Jar Jar, a cool enough climax and okay Anakin when he's not acting on hormones, them droids and Fett sr are a plus.
Revenge of the Sith - 8.5/10 - I'd give it more just because the Sith win, but I'll try to be not THAT biased. Definitely took a level in badass though, especially when Kenobi duels with Grievous and Vader, and Palpy with Yoda. McDiarmid was aces. But I didn't like just how fast the whole thing with eliminating the Jedi and Anakin being put in the suit just happened with that AWFUL "NOOOOO!", or that they killed Christopher Lee like some n00b.
The Force Awakens - 9/10
So far, so good with this new attempt to cash in on SW popularity and legacy. Joking, it was great to me.
*plays the main theme*
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posted January 09, 2016 10:39 PM |
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I agree with your reasoning  Pretty much how I feel also. The scores, well I like to be more drastic And tbh episode 1 should NOT be considered a Star Wars movie 
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posted January 09, 2016 10:41 PM |
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That's fine. I only give 4 and lower to movies that I feel were not even worth reviewing. 
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posted January 10, 2016 12:31 AM |
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The prequels aren't that low compared to movies in general, but it just leaves an extra bad taste because you're comparing them to the original episodes. You have downright irresponsible mistakes, like Jar Jar's script and some of Christensen's' acting, but you also have Ian McDiarmid who was an amazing Palpatine. Realistically they are more like 6s, which is about where the critics put them.
I enjoyed the Phantom Menace the most of the prequels because of the subtle atmosphere, I liked Qui Gon Jinn, I liked Darth Maul, and Naboo is my favorite planet of the worlds visited in Star Wars so far. The lush forests and swamps, the Byzantine-esque architecture, the waterfalls; I love the visuals in the first episode. Honestly, if Jar Jar ceased to exist as a character (or was entirely reworked) and they didn't place so much freaking emphasis on Anakin as a character, it could have been a great movie.
A New Hope is my least favorite of the original trilogy because as a stand alone movie, Darth Vader isn't as awesome as he is in the next two episodes when he becomes far more interesting, and even for a lower budget movie, I can't completely excuse some of the choreography. The light saber duel between Obi Wan and Vader sucked. It's not integral to the movie but it still counts. The soundtrack also improved with the next two episodes, such as of course this beauty.
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posted January 10, 2016 12:45 AM |
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friendofgunnar said:
Remember Han? It turns out that he declines a general's pension (plot hole!) in order to go back to smuggling, which is to say flouting the laws of the new government that his lovely wife helped establish.
Is it? I think the movie has told the viewer the reason why Luke and Han left in a clear way - it was Ben Solo's/Kylo Ren's turn to the Dark Side.
Speaking of Leia doing nothing against the First Order - it is quite funny, because it is exactly opposite. Leia was one of very few people of power in the Galaxy to see a threat in the First Order and thus she created the Resistance. After signing a peace treaty with remaints of the Empire the New Republic did not engage in any military acts, especially a war. Their army was minimal, hence we don't see too many fancy and new starships, because there aren't many of them. The Resistance was notoriously ill-funded, therefore Leia wasn't able to perform big-scale operations - she simply didn't have enough money to do that.
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posted January 10, 2016 12:55 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
The prequels aren't that low compared to movies in general, but it just leaves an extra bad taste because you're comparing them to the original episodes. You have downright irresponsible mistakes, like Jar Jar's script and some of Christensen's' acting, but you also have Ian McDiarmid who was an amazing Palpatine. Realistically they are more like 6s, which is about where the critics put them.
I enjoyed the Phantom Menace the most of the prequels because of the subtle atmosphere, I liked Qui Gon Jinn, I liked Darth Maul, and Naboo is my favorite planet of the worlds visited in Star Wars so far. The lush forests and swamps, the Byzantine-esque architecture, the waterfalls; I love the visuals in the first episode. Honestly, if Jar Jar ceased to exist as a character (or was entirely reworked) and they didn't place so much freaking emphasis on Anakin as a character, it could have been a great movie.
A New Hope is my least favorite of the original trilogy because as a stand alone movie, Darth Vader isn't as awesome as he is in the next two episodes when he becomes far more interesting, and even for a lower budget movie, I can't completely excuse some of the choreography. The light saber duel between Obi Wan and Vader sucked. It's not integral to the movie but it still counts. The soundtrack also improved with the next two episodes, such as of course this beauty.
Fair points, especially about the duel in ANH, which sucked big time compared to what we got later, but the main thing was the Death Star... and I also see where you're coming from with Naboo and TPM. But really, just take most of baby boy and "chosen one" discussion scenes out of Phantom Menace and it's a-okay. Preferrable to the other two even... 
And yeah, having the originals to compare them to didn't do those movies any favors.
Also, love or hate his Palpatine, Ian McDiarmid's character is what really makes the prequels redeemable to me. In the original trilogy, it was Grand Moff Tarkin (Vader's boss who tricks Leia and nukes her planet), then Vader himself, and only in the last movie The Emperor as the villain, while in the prequels, Sidious pulled the strings from day one and kept gaining power and influence and *rolls eyes* the Chosen One became his pawn.
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posted January 10, 2016 01:12 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
@ friendofgunnar: None of your post really has any points
and i say he has great points.
points pointier than super-pokies glenda, even.
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posted January 10, 2016 01:51 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
I enjoyed the Phantom Menace the most of the prequels because of the subtle atmosphere, I liked Qui Gon Jinn, I liked Darth Maul, and Naboo is my favorite planet of the worlds visited in Star Wars so far. The lush forests and swamps, the Byzantine-esque architecture, the waterfalls; I love the visuals in the first episode. Honestly, if Jar Jar ceased to exist as a character (or was entirely reworked) and they didn't place so much freaking emphasis on Anakin as a character, it could have been a great movie.
A New Hope is my least favorite of the original trilogy because as a stand alone movie, Darth Vader isn't as awesome as he is in the next two episodes when he becomes far more interesting, and even for a lower budget movie, I can't completely excuse some of the choreography. The light saber duel between Obi Wan and Vader sucked. It's not integral to the movie but it still counts. The soundtrack also improved with the next two episodes, such as of course this beauty.
Heartily agreed.
New hope was a fine movie but it was the next movies that launched star wars into stardom. Empire strikes back mostly, return of the jedi felt a bit underwhelming. The scenes with the emperor were grand but spare me the ewoks and jabba silliness. And they both take a lot of the screen time..
The newer movies focused on the war too much for my liking. By the end of the clones I was tired and the Dukou duels had not even started. And those horrible Annie dialogues.. So many characters that fly under the radar, are not properly introduced or do not have enough screen time to appreciate.. The third movie was just as tiresome and the transformation into darth vader just did not deliver. Both Dukou and general Grievous were swiftly dispatched without even bothering with a proper background, you don't even know those jedi that are executed.. Had its good moments but it ended up convoluted.
I am surprised that the series clone wars does Anakin more justice than the movies did. Disappointing really.
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