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posted October 21, 2020 10:42 PM |
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What? I am still trying to understand the logic of these words.
Exactly.
A multiplied rate of new cases, in addition to the obvious direct harm to public health, would also multiply the indirect harm caused to patients with other conditions. The story about the grandma avoiding the hospital makes no sense.
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posted October 24, 2020 07:28 PM |
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Anyways, as always another thread got hijacked with politics cus all the other "hot ones" were closed by moderation. How long can this go on 
At this point this thread is pretty much done for next time Cor logs in.
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posted October 24, 2020 08:57 PM |
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Coronavirus not among 10 most common causes of death in September
This is an interesting article, although I wouldn't say it's justification to give up on the lockdowns because it could still easily soar to the top spot without them (the data is based in England and Wales).
It does get a little weirder in places like India and China and Mongolia, where the air pollution causes 3-6 million premature deaths each year. The lockdowns help stop the coronavirus, but it's actually more lethal to live in these places without the coronavirus than it is with it, since the lockdowns halt a lot of the air pollution which comes back as soon as the lockdowns are over.
I still like the way Sweden did a continuous soft lockdown and tried to educate people on the science and best practices of avoiding the virus. It seems like a good way to somewhat flatten the curve and spread out the rate of infections to keep the hospitals from getting swamped, but without putting the country on freeze.
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posted October 27, 2020 04:36 AM |
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Based on some discussion in the MSHQ, I have deleted about the last three pages of posts, which were filled with constant breaking of the Code of Conduct. I apologize if there were some decent posts deleted by accident in the mass nuke, but it sure didn't look like it. The conversation was an utter disgrace.
I am leaving the thread open for now, but I'll close it if that continues.
Kipshasz has also received a penalty for repeated insulting of just about everyone who disagrees with him. Calling everyone Soy is to my mind deliberate trolling and provocation, and it won't be tolerated moving forward. The next time will receive another penalty and a silence.
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posted October 30, 2020 02:46 AM |
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Well I'm signed up for a covid vaccine study.
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posted October 31, 2020 10:05 AM |
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I find it twistedly ironic that after touting our own collective horn for so long, and after even the US praising Europe for our handling... France, Italy and Spain alone account for as many daily cases as the US.
Add up the rest of the European countries (luckily the UK got out so we can ignore them in statistics now) and we're sitting at a "comfortable" more than double rate than the US.
And it's bound to grow.
Take that USA, united we stand and united we win, take your pitiful silver medal now.
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posted October 31, 2020 01:54 PM |
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Meanwhile, here in Brazil it seems that it'll drag on for a while, a long 1st wave, per se.
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posted October 31, 2020 02:02 PM |
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To be fair, the EU has a population of 445 million, and the USA has a total population of 328 million, so the EU should be getting more cases a day if they are handling the pandemic with the same care... but their daily cases have not been nearly as prevalent as the USA for as long as the USA (so it's spread a good deal more in the US than it has in the EU)
The USA has also had 537,501 new cases in the last 7 days. So... we're really still not handling this well. Over half a million people infected/ week is not a sign that your country is doing good at containing a pandemic.
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posted October 31, 2020 05:24 PM |
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No one is handling this well aside from the three richest east asian countries, my jab is at our politicians (and I guess at the democrats as well) who say that Europe is handling it well.
If anything, you should expect even worse numbers from Europe, considering we're also more tightly packed than in the US, but we're still on the growth phase.
And we still have to reach winter.
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posted November 02, 2020 07:01 PM |
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The **** will hit the fan when the hospitals get full with people who are not supposed to be there (i.e. mild-to-moderate symptoms) while people in bad condition - no matter the cause, there is still thousands of reasons to get in a bad shape beside the celebrity virus, especially during the winter - remain outside until the last moment because of poor organization and/or fear. Problem is, most of the fatalities from this absurdity will be attributed to COVID and generously advertised as such only to justify the next wave of daft decisions. This is a schematic for perpetuum mobile until the social and economic pressure just breaks the whole thing.
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posted November 02, 2020 07:36 PM |
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Let's face it. Either this was uncontrolable to begin with or we all snowed up big time.
Meanhwile, is the vaccine coming up or should we not even bother cus at the time it's out most populace will already be past this... or dead.
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posted November 02, 2020 07:48 PM |
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The vaccine itself is a big part of the whole insanity because it simply cannot be developed that quickly AND tested properly for side effects. Yet, it has already been pre-ordered in billions... And not to mention that there is next to zero discussion about what the hell is that vaccine against a virus for which everybody claims that there is no lasting immunity - you're supposed to take a shot every few months perhaps? Either way, the pharmaceutical companies get an obscene profit.
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posted November 02, 2020 08:43 PM |
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Everyone says there are no proofs of lasting immunity. That said, we've been studying the virus for barely 6 months. This doubt comes from a few cases that got infected a second time, but is that the exception or the rule? That's not yet known, what's known is that for now it lasts for at least 4 or 5 months, the proper thing would be to screen previously positive people on a monthly basis.
Some claim that in Japan they got in contact with a greatly related and less deadly virus, and they still have the immunity from that.
Listening to science is good and all, but they still don't have enough data about this, so, expect some asspulls here and there.
Also in terms of trials, they basically forced faster trials because the vector was already tried and is safe, not a guarantee, but you see how you can walk around protocols when needed.
First company to distribute the vaccine will get fat cash that's for sure lol
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posted November 02, 2020 09:31 PM |
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The already existing immunity thing has been discussed here as well and some claim that between 50 and 70% of the people are practically safe from the virus because of earlier encounters with a similar strain. This version does not receive any significant media attention however because it simply does not sell well.
As for the vaccine - bypassing and rushing through the protocols doesn't work like that. The vaccine itself is de facto a well-measured threat to the organism which is supposed to stimulate it to develop a response against a bigger threat and needs a great deal of fine-tuning to ensure that a large number of people with various health conditions will react well to it not only in short-, but also in mid- and long-term. Otherwise it could easily turn to be a time bomb. The variables are so many that the only way to be relatively certain that the thing does what it is supposed to do is to observe its effect over a long period of time on a big enough group of "subjects". For example, there are suspicions that deficiencies in previous flu vaccines, including swine flu, may have contributed to the increased infection rate and mortality from COVID. Obviously you can get nothing like that in the current climate of media-hijacked mockery of science that has replaced the actual science in the minds of many people.
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posted November 02, 2020 11:07 PM |
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There is a - theory that there is a connection between corona virus death cases and use of flu vaccines.
Flu vaccines are often in short supply in Europe, especially in countries with a high rate of vaccinated. When the vaccines are in short supply they are diluted with adjuvants which stimulate the immune system.
A sizable part of the corona deaths died from too active immune system (multiple and systemic inflammations), which might be the result of said vaccinations.
Looking at the table of influenza vaccination rates it seems strange that the European country with the most corona deaths - UK - is also the country with the highest rate of flu vaccinations with over 65 year-olds. Next are the US, Ireland, Chile and the Netherlands in the table...
That theory isn't touted, though.
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posted November 05, 2020 10:34 AM |
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So, new restrictions in Italy, it's embarassing to see how many people didn't see this coming, while I admit I may have been optimistic about the second wave, I knew already that there would have been a lockdown back in June, only thing I didn't predict correctly was when, I thought it would have come in October, so... Mistakes were made. lol
This time, the government wised up and decided to do diverse restrictions based on how each region is faring... And it was done mindlessly, as always.
Correct choices were a red zone in Lombardy and Piedmont, considering they're once again the epicenter, so it makes sense. The rest... Is suspicious, the second region in terms of daily cases, and stress on hospitals is Campania, it's suffering big time from the corona and... It's on the lowest risk zone. That was the region that wanted to do a lockdown because they were going to have an explosion of their system.
Same goes for Lazio, region of the capital, another of the worst suffering, with a stressed out healthcare system... Lowest risk.
Can you guess Sicily? 13th in terms of daily cases, no stress on the healthcare system, less people in hospitals while having a population as large as the above, and with an expansion plan already set in motion?
We're mid to high risk. Which means semi-lockdown, or in other terms, you can go shopping for groceries in your town unrestricted and some teenagers can still go to school, meanwhile I have to have to document the reason why I'd have to go back to Catania (since lab classes are still allowed).
There's also the case of Calabria being put at the highest risk despite faring decently, or a whole lot of other suffering regions being considered low risk.
This comes after waves of violent riots in the major cities.
I don't want to sound a fred, but it's almost like the government is inciting civil war.
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I've heard of that study, I don't want to cite it in front of people because it sounds like being opposed to flu vaccines. I'm not one to get scared by theories, but my father is at risk here, since in his age range flu vaccination is mandatory.
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posted November 05, 2020 10:48 AM |
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It's not a problem of the flu vaccs as such, it would be a problem of having not enough vaccine and diluting it with something (it's basically the same problem than with illegal drugs) to have enough vaccine - that is, if I understood that right.
It's also clear that such a theory would be kept very quiet unless there was certain proof, because it would certainly make a lot of people quite angry.
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posted November 05, 2020 11:47 AM |
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Neraus said:
This comes after waves of violent riots in the major cities.
I don't want to sound a fred, but it's almost like the government is inciting civil war.
Yeah, same bleep everywhere. We're supposed to be the paragons of civilization (I mean we the "Western" countries), yet take one epidemic and it all goes down the drain: USA, France, GB, Italy, EU, you name it. Politicians are even more incompetent then they appear to be. We had the exact same situation: as I mentioned total chaos in hospitals, economy going under, yet the PL government decides to (knowing full well that it will bring riots) announce a controversial decision to stir the population and make them go out, so that they could blame it all on "bad apples", "chaos-mongers" and "total opposition". And take the eyes of the public off from their incompetence. I mean have cynical can you get?
And guess what? They changed the regulations how they identify coronavirus, so now there will probably be a bigger influx of new cases (which are reaching 30k per day atm) so they can say "see, what did we tell you? It's your fault!". Oh and supposedly when Germany asked us if we want help (life-support machines or even take in some of the patients) our officials literally ignored them 
We are also pretty close to a full lockdown, it's a matter of two weeks at most.
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posted November 05, 2020 11:47 AM |
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Exactly, I'm always of the idea that people should receive vaccines depending on their risk window, it prevents shortages and makes sure that does who would have a threat for their life get it.
Of course, this reasoning applies mostly to those vaccines that require periodical renewals, since one thing is vaccinating newborns with vaccines that will give a lifetime of immunity, or at least, many years of immunity, the other is having to vaccinate an entire nation every year.
Btw, I've read that covid mutated in Denmark after spilling over on minks, then spilling over on humans again, the worrying part is that the mutation occurred on the genes codifying the spike protein, which is the vaccine target, which as you might guess, creates the possibility of the vaccine not working for those who got in contact with that.
Fun times indeed.
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