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Consis
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posted March 14, 2004 07:20 AM |
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What Style Of Player Are You?
this_other_guy,
Well it kind of depends on the way you play the game. Let's break it down into two styles of players. Lead and supporters.
Lead players like to take the front line with a diverse line of attacks and defenses. They also might often like to hit the occasional player vs. player game(where most everyone cheats or has literally paid for every thing they own off of ebay thereby giving them the uber pvp character)
Support characters are laid back people who enjoy the game more than the play of it. They usually like to focus on a specific skill or combination of skills.
They let the lead players take the charge while they use their highly specialized skills in conjunction with the lead.
Whichever one you are I do not know. Please tell me which style you normally like to play. Then we can go from there as to a growth that will best suit your interests.
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this_other_guy
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posted March 14, 2004 10:31 AM |
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Im the kind of guy who likes to charge up in front and smash the crud out of everything. So i guess im a lead player. 
BTW, i usually focus on only one skill path.
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Nimrod_The_D...
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posted March 14, 2004 11:11 AM |
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thenm go for shape shifting! were bear rocks
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Consis
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posted March 14, 2004 03:14 PM |
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Building A Druid
this_other_guy,
Ok thanks for the info. Here's the best way to go about accomplishing what would be best for you.
You should focus your skill tree in shapeshifting. Here's the optimal results growth formula that I use:
Lycanthropy(shapshifting)--->max it out
Werewolf(shapshifting)--->max it out
Carrion vine(summoning)--->1 point
Oak sage(summoning)--->max it out
Summon Grizzly(summoning)--->1 point
Fury(shapeshifting)--->max it out
Invest all of your skill points from leveling up and completing quests into maxing out those skills in that order. You should have some skill points left over for a few extra skills. Extra skills that will best suit your Werewolf are Summon Grizzly, Feral Rage, and Carrion Vine.
Summon Grizzly is just plain obvious because that bear can take one hell of a beating even at low levels. He also stuns and knocks back his enemies which is great!
Feral Rage is almost a must have for the druid. This skill is required for Fury. Feral Rage will give you the much needed extra life leech and speed bonus you need when fighting certain monsters. One hit and you can run away really fast or hunt down your next target at an immense pace.
Carrion Vine really helps you keep things going at a smooth pace. After you finished with a group of monsters this vine will regenerate your health in no time at all. Even at low levels it works great. It helps you keep a strong steady pace for killing the baddies. You don't have eat potions as much, go back to town, etc. As I like to tell people adventuring with me, I say, "I want to stay down as long as I can. I don't like coming up for air unless I need to." That's just me. I like to really maximize the time I spend in the battle zones for as much exp as I can get. You'll notice other people will waste time making too many town trips while you could be down getting more kills.
Any questions?
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Medusa
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Yeah, right
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posted March 14, 2004 07:50 PM |
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For me personaly, D2 is way better than D1. Maybe that's because I'm a person who doesn't prefer older things over the new ones (like HoMM3 over HoMM4). But that's just me.
D2 has a better storyline, more characters and much more interesting hours with the game that D1..
But as I said before, it's only my opinion..
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bort
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posted March 14, 2004 08:21 PM |
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The druid is not going to :
a. win a slugfest with a barbarian
b. win a shooting match with a sorceress or amazon
c. summon an army to defeat a minionmancer
d. make the party as happy as a paladin
So don't even try to out barbarian a barbarian or out sorceress a sorceress. What you can do is out-summon an amazon or out-shoot a barbarian or out-fight a sorceress.
Personally, I always go for style rather than effectiveness, so the druid build I like is the werebear tank. Basically he's a barbarian with a support staff:
--As much werebear/lycanthropy as you feel is appropriate
--Max maul
--shockwave whenever you can spare the points
--a couple in hunger and fireclaws just in case
--a couple in heart of the wolverine cause your AR sucks
--werebear. One seems to be enough. More if you want him to hit things harder. It's just really cool when the two of you are ganging up on a boss.
--a shooter hireling that uses ice (either a rogue or a mage)
--don't bother with a vine since you shouldn't be leaving many corpses, just melting ice
Basically, use shockwave and then maul away, try to keep enemies off your hireling. In a party, tank for them. In player vs. player, kiss your ass goodbye.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted March 14, 2004 09:12 PM |
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ok
so ima lvl 18 barb and basically the only 2 skills im using is the 2 weapon attack and leap attack... what im missing? 
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Consis
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posted March 14, 2004 10:17 PM |
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Absolutely Not True
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The druid is not going to :
a. win a slugfest with a barbarian
b. win a shooting match with a sorceress or amazon
c. summon an army to defeat a minionmancer
d. make the party as happy as a paladin
Bort that is not true at all. That's a general assumption.
Any class can defeat any other class if they are grown to do exactly that and I can prove it for every single character.
Give me any class to beat with a class you don't think can beat it and I'll go through a step by step overview of how to do it.
If you are making this assumption based on skill trees only then yes it is true but as everyone knows, Diablo2 LoD is a game of many different variables.
So, go ahead and pitch two characters you think are inevitably doomed to repeat a win or loss and I'll respond with how to overcome it.
And please one scenario at a time because each response is highly detailed covering items, skills, levels, mercs, and battleground.
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bort
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posted March 14, 2004 11:44 PM |
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Consis, do you ever actually read things before you respond? I never once said that a druid can't beat any other class. I did mention that the build I liked wasn't very effective at PvP (attacks too slowly, attack rating too low), but that doesn't mean it's useless. I said that a druid wasn't going to win a slugfest with a barbarian. Barbarians are the best there is at one on one hand to hand combat. You can't out punch them, so you use your magic or your minions to give you the edge. A druid's magic just doesn't compare to a sorceress. If you try to have a magic duel with her, she'll leave you a crispy little ball of fur. You beat her by doing what she can't -- pound seven kinds of crap out of her face to face. You're never going to outsummon a necromancer, so don't even try, just go in and slam him across the room while he's looking for a corpse to animate. Of course any class can beat any class, but not if you try to make your character into what it's not.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted March 15, 2004 12:27 AM |
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not to interfere your discussion (which i believe bort makes the most sense in btw) but could you please edit in some help to me in those posts aswell?
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Consis
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posted March 15, 2004 01:42 AM |
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My Apologies Bort
Bort forgive me. I had thought you were saying that a druid could not defeat a barbarian in hand to hand. I have access to my old friend's Druid who is able to do just that. Granted the tactics are very different for a druid but it is possible for him to defeat a barbarian in hand to hand if developed correctly. Also, I do not factor any cheats or hacks into my equations, developments, theories, etc. As you know well, legitimate pvp is a rare and dying breed.
Please don't be angry at my ill-assumption. It was based on the thought of your ill-assumption. No offense meant.
Sir_Stiven, please answer the first question I asked this_other_guy and I will gladly help you build your barbarian in a way that best suits your interests. Are you a lead or support style of player?
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Sir_Stiven
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posted March 15, 2004 02:37 AM |
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im the player who doesnt have the very legal version of the game but like D2 LOD and would like to finish it in singleplayer mode
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Consis
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posted March 15, 2004 03:29 AM |
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Sir_Stiven
1. What weapons does your barbarian specialize in?
2. What level is he currently?
3. What items do you currently have?
4. Do you use mercenaries?
5. What skills have you invested in thus far for him?
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this_other_guy
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posted March 15, 2004 06:50 AM |
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Thanx Consis - u helped alot 
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Consis
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posted March 15, 2004 10:32 AM |
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Your Welcome this_other_guy
Hope you have fun adventuring through the land of Diablo2 LoD
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Sir_Stiven
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posted March 15, 2004 01:28 PM |
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Quote:
1. What weapons does your barbarian specialize in?
2. What level is he currently?
3. What items do you currently have?
4. Do you use mercenaries?
5. What skills have you invested in thus far for him?
1) got one skill invested in each hand to hand weapon.
2) around 18-19
3) None of great value, i use one axe and one sword as weapons. My armor/shoes/belt/rings/amulet sucks.
4) Nope.
5) Got about one skill in each useful combat/warcry slot except the passive ones giving more stamina and defense... those i have 2 or 3 in.
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Consis
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posted March 15, 2004 07:59 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 15 Mar 2004
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Barbarian Development
Sir_Stiven,
Ok I get the picture now. Thanks for answering my Q's. Here's the easiest way to really spank the game on normal difficulty. It's really simple and kind of fun too because this technique does NOT work on any other difficulty so enjoy it while you can.
On normal difficulty level almost all of the monsters are vulnerable to magic damage, especially elemental. If you are 18th level then your character can use the highest classification of gem(class: perfect). All you have to do is keep or purchase any regular piece of armor or weapon that comes with as many sockets as you can find(preferably superior).
Socketed armor and helmets should be given all perfect rubies if you can(adds a great deal of life).
Socketed weapons should be given one of each gem, NOT skulls. You will be amazed at how powerful a weapon that has a perfect ruby(fire), topaz(lightning), saphire(cold), and emerald(poison) actually is. It's really quite a spectacle because as I said almost every monster is vulnerable to magic's full damage and some receive extra damage from certain types of elemental damage. Don't even think about putting a skull into anything. On normal difficulty your character does not do enough damage to any monster to have any sort of reasonable return. Skulls are only good for two things in the entire game: cube recipes and necromancer armor/helmets.
Socketed shields should be given perfect diamonds. In fact, diamonds are so good that even putting a few chipped in a shield will make all the difference when facing down monsters that fling magic.
Ok so what if you want to know about how many sockets you can find in a weapon, helmet, armor, etc. Easy, I can tell you or you can go to diabloii.net and read the FAQ's there. Just ask or go to the site.
Ok so what about the skills for normal difficulty. Which ones are the most effective? It really doesn't matter my friend. It's normal difficulty. You could just walk around and toss stones at the monsters as long as you socket them with some gems. For you, since you are playing a barbarian you could use any skill you want for normal. However if you plan on fighting nightmare and hell difficulty you can ask me to give a more detailed response covering that character development. If you want a more detailed run down of what to use for later on in, say, hell difficulty just let me know and I'll be glad to help you.
As far as rings, amulets, boots, gloves, runes, etc. Don't even worry about that stuff on normal difficulty. Just keep whatever you think is best. If you find something you like then keep it. I generally keep items with magic resistance for normal difficulty. It just goes by so fast I suggest you enjoy it while it lasts.
Any questions?
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Sir_Stiven
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posted March 15, 2004 09:05 PM |
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yupp, what should i think of when approaching nightmare/hell difficulty?
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Consis
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posted March 15, 2004 11:56 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 15 Mar 2004
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Nightmare & Hell Difficulty
Ok Sir_Stiven this is going to be pretty complicated. If you are confused about any of these please feel free to ask any questions you have.
First of all if you want a barbarian that can roam nightmare and hell difficulty with some degree of proficiency then you'll have to begin the development of such a barbarian from the start. I'll give you my particular detailed overview of how I think the growth of a barbarian should go. Keep in mind that if you go to diabloii.net you will find many more FAQ's on this particular subject. If you want to become the ultimate barbarian then I suggest you read as much as you can.
Let's talk about characteristics that are inherent to nightmare and hell difficulties.
Nightmare: monsters are of much higher level thus giving them stronger attributes making them more difficult to kill. The good side to this is that you'll get much better item drops for the kills and much better experience too. Many monsters also start to show some immunities at this difficulty. Most of the immunities are towards magic. I think only certain mini bosses are physical immune and that's a random draw. I won't go into the exact levels of each monster but I will tell you that because of the higher levels they also tend to drop better runes. For the most part you can slide through nightmare with whirlwind.
Hell difficulty: Ok this is the end all be all test for the barbarian. It is more so for him than any other class. Here's why:
1. About one third of every monster encountered is physically immune.
2. Undead skeleton monsters of any kind are immune to life leech from your special abilities.
3. Life leeching in general is cut to 1/4.
4. Barbarian's only attack against Phys Immune = Berzerk. Zerk is a tremendously powerful skill! It is also tremendously dangerous. When he uses it his defense drops to zero. In fact this skill is so powerful only one point is necessary for investment. It will kill just as fast on hell difficulty. The worst place I can imagine for the barbarian on hell difficulty is probably Act2 battle against Radament.
Ok now let's talk about what skill growth you need to have for maximized success. Here are the skills you should invest in:
1. Whirlwind(maxed out)
2. Berzerk(1 point)
3. Battle Orders(maxed out)
4. Shout(varies)
5. Natural resistance(5 points)
6. Ironskin(varies)
7. Weapon mastery of your particular choice(maxed out)
If you will notice I used the term "varies" for shout and ironskin because many people will tell you they each have their own preference as to how much they want to invest.
Note: It is generally not a good idea to waste skill points in many different masteries. It's a good idea to stick with your particular favorite weapon and master it.
Note: Fully maxed Battle Orders will double your life/mana amount.
Note: Natural resistance will start skipping bonuses after a while and the next bonus will only be 2 or 3 % at higher levels. So it's really not worth it to invest more then 5 points which will give you anywhere from 40-54% depending on your items.
Ironskin/Shout are debatable because some people swear by defense numbers while others ignore it altogether. This is because when a barbarian uses whirlwind his defense is cut in half and when he uses Zerk it drops to zero.
Ok now let's talk about your character attribute investment. This is a little tricky so if you have any questions please ask. The barbarian's main attributes are his strength and vitality. Dexterity is mostly used for two things: Weapon requirements and shield block percentage. If you have a mastered weapon then you'll notice the barbarian does pretty good with his attack ratio. His chance to hit something really isn't much of a concern for him as say....a paladin. So here's a very general idea of how to invest in stats and where:
Strength: invest into this up to the requirement of your best armor. Really good armor str req's usually sit around 200.
Dexterity: Only invest into this as much as your weapon requires of you. I think a usual number for swords and many others ranges between 75-100 dexterity. That's for elite-class items which are the best. However if you are going for a sword/shield barbarian you'll need a semi-high dexterity level to achieve the maximum 75% block ratio allowed. If you want to learn how make a barbarian with a sword and shield then that's a whole other post. Just say so if you do and I will tell you.
Vitality: This attribute is sooo important for a barbarian but many people over invest and end up cutting another attribute short for it. Don't do that. Slowly give it a couple of points every other level and wait for your armor/weapon requirements to be met before dumping into this.
Energy: LoL don't put a single point into this. If you have a decent mana leech item then you'll be set.
Ok now let's talk about items. Forget the little trick I told you about for normal play only and focus on your "goal-items". These are the items you wish you could have. If you ever get a hold of them then you want to be able to use them immediately. Almost all your best items will be elite with the highest requirements of any other items found. These items are nothing short of godly. Tell me which weapon you wish to master and I'll post the requirements for its elite version for you. We can set your goals for that item right away.
Here are some things that could possibly help you in single player mode.
1. Increase monster strength to maximum level by typing in a code that enables 8-player simulation. THIS IS NOT A CHEAT. As you know the greater the number of players in a single game then the monster will increase to their maximum level and be that much stronger. This causes better drops, experience, and more deaths of your cute little character
Code = press enter to bring up player chat. type in "players8". press enter again. you'll see the message "players8" displayed at the top of the screen for a few seconds and then it will dissappear. Donot include the quotes. just type players8
2. Single player gives the you the ability to pause the game and save at any point. USE THIS FEATURE IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE!
Any questions?
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posted March 16, 2004 07:49 AM |
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By the way... Has anyone here encountered Uber Diablo? It can appear anywhere(other than towns) at anytime in hell difficulty games (in battle-net), after a certain number of Stones of Jordan have been sold to the merchants in town.. The screen will shake just before he appears, and it will say "Diablo walks the earth".
MonsterLevel 110
Experience 5539200
Hit Points 642700
Melee Attack 1 130-247
Attack Rating 1 14043
Melee Attack 2 143-299
Attack Rating 2 13064
Defense 2940
% to Block 50
Damage Resistance 50%
Magic Resistance 50%
Fire Resistance 95%
Cold Resistance 95%
Lightning Resistance 95%
Poison Resistance 95%
And he can cast his own version of Armageddon...
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