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posted March 23, 2005 02:50 AM |
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My GOSH! Gay marriage is just plain wrong! It's SICK!!!!!!! And fornicaters are just as bad. I agree.
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Conan
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posted March 23, 2005 03:09 AM |
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any arguments you wish to bring to the table to support your claim?
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LadyGuenivere
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posted March 23, 2005 03:34 AM |
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yup. The Bible says that sex is supposed to be for a man and a woman in wedlock. Fornicators are not in wedlock, and when its gay marriage, thats not a man and a woman!
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posted March 23, 2005 01:56 PM |
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jumping in with protective gear
What ever happened to "live and let live"? I recently read an article in the Orlando Sentinel that said same sex couples actually go out of their way to provide role models of the opposite sex and are more highly aware of the issue then opposite sex couples. I think a child in a home, let's say hypothetically 2 women, who have one or more male friends in their life who love the child, share their time and are there for support of the child is better than a child in the home of an opposite sex couple where the father is a drinker, gambler, ingores the child, ______ (fill in the blank) etc. I don't think the woman in this situation is going out of her way to find a suitable male role model for the child.
on a different note,
How is allowing same sex couples to marry going to effect your life on a personal level? Why does it matter? Because the Bible says so? Let them deal with that, it's THEIR life. Two men or two women are walking down the street and they pass you. Are they a couple? Who knows. Are they married? Who knows. Why does it matter to the individual saying, "That's not right!" Not right for whom? Ahh, not right to the individual saying it. Who is that individual to foist their opinions and feelings on how someone else lives their life? THAT'S not right.
DISCLAIMER:
(This is a generic statement, "individual" was not meant to single out anyone on the HC boards)
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Conan
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posted March 23, 2005 02:53 PM |
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yup. The Bible says that sex is supposed to be for a man and a woman in wedlock. Fornicators are not in wedlock, and when its gay marriage, thats not a man and a woman!
wow...
Quotes from the Bible are so true, you got me there. I really don't know what to say anymore.
I guess I should stop working on Sundays...
I guess I should start telling my wife what to do and wear everyday since I own her...
I guess I'm going to hell so I might as well do the worst I can since I'm going there anyways....
You're going to have to do a little better than quoting the Bible... I'm sure I can find a religion that contradicts what the Bible says.
In the Bible it says:
"Thou shalt not watch two lesbians in bed,
Have homosexual sex
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in
Then of course, it's intercourse
And it's bi-sexual sex
Which isn't as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions
Either before, during or after peforming the act of that which
Is normally referred to have such, more commonly known phrases
That are more used by today's kids
In a more derogatory way"
but who's to say, what's fair to say, and what not to say?
I gotta question if I may:
Is it gay to play Putt-Putt golf with a friend
And watch his butt-butt when he tees off?
But, ut! I ain't done yet
In football the quarterback yells out hutt-hutt
While he reaches in another grown man's @$$
Grabs on his nuts but just what if
It was never meant it was just an accident
But he tripped, fell, slipped and his ***** went in
His teeny tiny little round hiney but he didn't mean it
But his little weenie flinched just a little bit
And I don't mean to go in into any more details but
What if he pictured it as a females butt?
Is that gay? I just need to clear things up
Til then i'll just walk around with a manly strut
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bort
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posted March 23, 2005 03:01 PM |
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Actually, all joking aside, I'm interested in which specific passages you feel forbid gay marriage. Care to quote?
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Shiva
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posted March 23, 2005 05:19 PM |
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Something to do with Sodom and Gomorah, and Lot's wife
being turned into a pillar of salt for looking back.
Of course, after she was gone, his daughters were worried
that their father had no heir, so they got him drunk and
slept with him. Does that mean the bible ok's incest
in extreme circumstances?
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Consis
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posted March 23, 2005 06:02 PM |
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LoL + LoL = True Love
Good old bible-haters....When in Rome, er...uh...I mean Heroes Community, do as the bible-haters do. Let the bashing begin!
I'm becoming quite accustomed to the atmosphere here. You guys should form your own little support group and have scheduled meetings once a month to share your common beliefs.
You know what they call people who collectively oppose the bible? You all seem to be very intelligent so I'll let you guys figure it out.
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Shiva
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posted March 23, 2005 06:25 PM |
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Consis, I don't hate the bible, if anything, I'm leary
of those who interpret it to suit their own views. Its
a book of great historical significance and has many
inspiring parts, but face it, there is a whole lotta
smiting and gnashing in it. And I do not believe there is
any book in this world that contains the whole truth,
maybe the blueprint to the universe as some believe.
Lets not forget, each chapter in the bible was written
by a person who observed history and wrote it down.
Plus, the church itself tailored the New Testamant to
fit their ideology. They couldn't change the Old Testament because the Jewish people had the original copy.
The story I mentioned above is in the bible. I never
hear anybody try to say they will live by that example.
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LadyGuenivere
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posted March 24, 2005 01:38 AM |
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Leviticus,18:22 and 20:13-14 pretty clearly condemn gayness
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Asmodean
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posted March 24, 2005 01:50 AM |
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And have already been discussed in this thread.
Do some background reading
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Conan
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posted March 24, 2005 02:19 AM |
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You know what they call people who collectively oppose the bible? You all seem to be very intelligent so I'll let you guys figure it out.
Uh... university post-graduate students (such as bort and I) that are critical of the books they read especially if they where written about 2000 years ago?
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Svarog
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posted March 24, 2005 02:26 AM |
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I thought more along the lines of... collective bible opposers. 
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted March 24, 2005 03:14 AM |
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You don't even have to oppose the bible as a whole. Just analyse the arguments that it gives you and draw your conclusions. As a scientist, I am obligated to allow everyone to express their views and to assess their arguments.
Seriously, though. The bible, (discarding the mythological parts) is just a combination of a historical record and a book of laws and costums. Those laws and costums were written to suit the needs of a people that dwelled in the desert 4000 years ago. Somehow I think that parts of it are no longer applicable. At the time, it was necesarry for everyone to reproduce, because you needed the people for your survival. However, with the amount of people nowadays, I somehow doubt that this is still applicable. All rules, laws and costums were made for a reason. When the reason no longer applies, they simply lose their meaning.
Keep in mind that according to the book that you were just quoting, your father is allowed to sell you into slavery (exodus). If you disagree with that, then you must admit that the mere fact that the bible states it is not reason enough for something to be true.
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bort
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posted March 24, 2005 03:29 AM |
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There is argument among biblical scholars about whether the passages you mention generally oppose homosexuality or if they specifically oppose male homosexuality or specifically oppose male homosexuality in a woman's bed or even if "homosexuality" is the correct translation. (If I remember correctly, literally translated, one of them comes out to something like "do not lay lying as in a woman's bed") However, accepting, for the moment, your interpretation, do you feel that commiting an act that is opposed in the bible is grounds for being forbidden from marriage. For instance, is eating shellfish a good enough reason to prevent someone from getting married.
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posted March 24, 2005 09:48 AM |
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If US will juridically ban gay marriage, because The Bible says so, I wonder when will they bring back inquisition court?
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Asmodean
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posted March 25, 2005 04:02 AM |
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Or stoning?
Hell I know a few people I wouldn't mind seeing crucified!
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LadyGuenivere
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posted May 01, 2005 07:03 PM |
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Eureka!
Ummm.... I found the answer!!! They call people who hate the bible, "athiests" or "bible-bashers"!
~Yaaaaaaaaay! I'm smart~
Guen
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted May 01, 2005 07:29 PM |
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What about radical Muslims?
Seriously, though. If you are trying to present the bible as an excuse for intolerance, indoctrination and hatred, then I shall be proud to call myself a Bible-Basher.
So... Now that this is out of the way. Any constructive arguments which you'd like to bring up?
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 02, 2005 07:34 AM |
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If we're going for backing up our homophobic views using centuries old historical documents, I would much rather have used the laws of Djengis Khan. At least he gave some reasons why homosexuality, masturbation, zoophilia, and other non-reproductive sexual habits should be punishable by death. He didn't just tell some story about something else and then expected everyone to understand what he'd been talking about.
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