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posted July 26, 2003 05:41 AM |
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I guess each case is different (though I don't understand why a homosexual would want to get married in a church that preaches anti-homosexuality)
Amen to that.
Although I would imagine that they're seeking a legal ceremony, not a church one. Then again, these days, you can find a church that's right for you no matter what your beliefs are. "I'm Catholic but I believe abortion is between a woman and her body only. I'll start a church denomination with my girlfriends who believe the same."
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hamsi128
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posted July 26, 2003 12:18 PM |
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for me lesbians are ok but i cant understand how they love each other man to man. Im not a religious or traditional type but i dont want to see a man embracing another dude. I think man has woman , woman has man and we didnt need different relationships.
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bjorn190
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posted July 26, 2003 12:49 PM |
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I think they just dont want to be oppressed by the church anymore.
What if a church said "sorry we only marry white people here"? That´s already been taken care of. The oppression of homosexuals is still happning.
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posted July 27, 2003 12:39 AM |
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What if a church said "sorry we only marry white people here"? That´s already been taken care of. The oppression of homosexuals is still happning.
Unfortunately for them, they have to live with the church as much as the church has to live with them. The KKK discriminates against blacks and yet it's still around due to "freedom of religion". So, you could argue that the KKK is a church that says "sorry, we only accept white members in our congregation".
There's no way the gay camp can/should get the church to stop "oppressing" them while the KKK still exists.
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posted July 28, 2003 03:06 AM |
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It amazes and sickens me that any church would be willing to marry to people of the same sex.
Homophobics usually are men who feel insecure about their own sexual identity.
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posted July 28, 2003 03:12 AM |
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Homophobics usually are men who feel insecure about their own sexual identity.
Actually, most homophobics are really ultra right-wing conservatives who are strongly religious (take the KKK as one prime example).
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posted July 28, 2003 03:32 AM |
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the government should not force churches to marry homosexual people. as is the case in some places.
I would have to agree with this part of his statement.
I have nothing agains homosexual people, if the "come on to me" i will back off and probably stop talking to them, but if they dont force the issue as many do then by all means, be gay. Our mayor is gay, i dont really care, except when we hosted the gay pride day with parades and such. what offended me was that gay women were walking around with Strap on penises, it was terrible, you cant let your kids watch that!
but let them get married, in a courtroom. whatever.
I thought that most cities would have certain rules for parades that are this contreversial in nature. I mean your right the strapons were going way overboard. Also wouldn't the organizers of such parades not allow that, as it sets such a bad rep for them also?
i do not think they should be allowed to raise children, not without more research into how people become homosexual though. is it genetic? that seems weird to me, cause if you parents were gay how would you have been conceived? or is it something you learn? if its the latter of the two, do not allow homosexuals to raise children.
How can kids being raised by gay parents turn out any worse than most of the kids today? I mean we have kids commiting so many crimes already that it's hard to believe that they could do any worse.
Also there was a reply earlier about how kids would suffer if they had 2 dad or moms if there were father/mother day things at school. No offense but kids will always find something to torture each other over no matter what you do.
I was raised by my mom alone when my parents split when I was 2. I don't think I lost out on to much especially with my dad.
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posted July 28, 2003 04:23 AM |
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Homophobics usually are men who feel insecure about their own sexual identity.
Actually, most homophobics are really ultra right-wing conservatives who are strongly religious (take the KKK as one prime example).
See ?
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posted July 28, 2003 12:11 PM |
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There is no such word as homophobia. It is a perversion of the English language.
Show me a dictionary that contains this word by its modern definition or any other.
Are you saying with the use of such a phrase that anybody who believes homosexuality to be wrong must mentally ill in some way?
Must modern society use such bully tactics to force us all to agree with its twisted values?
Must the gay community project their sexuality onto everyone by saying things like everyone is bi-sexual .
This really iritates me, and i dont care if my "old fashioned viewpoint" makes me unpopular.
I will not be shaken from my view by negetive labels like
Homophobic, Facist, Uneducated, Bigot etc.
If homosexuality were natural then it would not be an issue.
It has only gained hightened acceptance through decades of campainging.
Well since when does the human race need a campaingn to alert them to what is natural.
We dont have debates about hetrosexuality because it is self-evident that this is ok.
The same cannot be said about homosexuality and it never will be.
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bort
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posted July 28, 2003 01:26 PM |
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ho·mo·pho·bi·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-)
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
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[homo(sexual) + -phobia.]
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homo·phobe n.
homo·phobic adj.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved
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Lews_Therin
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posted July 28, 2003 01:58 PM |
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As humanity is evolving (well, most of our kind anyway), language is, too.
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posted July 28, 2003 05:37 PM |
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I agree with Dodd. Homophobia may be in the dictionary, but so are such words as "ain't" and "Rad," along with other slang. And just because it is "accepted" in society does not mean that it is right. I am not "old-fashioned", I just want to behave as God intended. What would happend if everyone was gay? The whole human race would cease to exist. It goes against all the laws of nature. Homosexuality is something that was invented by the human mind. I would think that the organizations protecting nature would be against it.
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bort
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posted July 28, 2003 05:53 PM |
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Oh great, appeals to what's "natural." What's your definition of "natural?" Noble savage? Nasty, brutish and short? Heterosexual, christian and conservative?
If you're going to appeal to the law of nature and what's natural, here's what's "natural."
1. there is variability in life
2. those that reproduce pass on their genes, those that don't, don't. Simple as that. If something doesn't reproduce, it doesn't mean that they are wrong or evil it just means that they don't have offspring and somebody will be marveling at their fossils 2,000,000 years from now.
Homosexuality represents variability. Therefore it is "natural." To use the phrasing that people seem to want to use. If they don't reproduce, big deal. Isn't it more unnatural to force people with homosexual urges into heterosexual reproduction. Shouldn't the people who are convinced that there is a loving God out there that hates homosexuals be happy if they practice their "unnatural" urges because otherwise they might contaminate the good christian genepool?
If the whole human race were gay, it would probably die out, but saying that makes homosexuality unnatural is like saying the dinosaurs died out because they were unnatural.
And there are debates about heterosexuality all the time. Name a heterosexual sex act. You'll find somebody who is opposed to it. Hell, there are a lot of people who say that the only kind of sex that is "natural" is missionary position between two people of the opposite sex but same race.
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posted July 28, 2003 07:05 PM |
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I'm all in favor of some sex marriage, it's gotta beat the pants off of no sex marriage.
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posted July 28, 2003 09:56 PM |
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if you must know ...
the natural order of things is normally male + female = offspring HOWEVER... in times of GREAT over population or lack of population a species will mutate or adapt to the over abundance or lack of to keep population or to re populate.
In under population species will evolve or mutate into the opposite sex and or grow the appropirate appendage/system so that the species may survive.
In over population species will start mating with the same sex to 1. keep population from going any higher and 2. To satisfy a base need that all species have.
all this is besides the point..
kids with abusive parents/demented parents/horrible parents will be more "normal" than your gay marriage child being that they have no y's or x's around to copy off of. Its really simple its chemical and its emotional.
A healthy child needs both mom and dad period end of story. Uncle bob doesn't count unless Uncle bob is sleeping with your mom 
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posted July 29, 2003 07:30 AM |
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well...
they do whatever they want and we let them be as long as they don't actually have the so-called wedding taken place in a church.
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posted July 29, 2003 01:06 PM |
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Bort. You say that because Homosexuality represents variability that it is therefore natural.
I think that is a careless comment because it could be used to justify anything, Like incest or beastiality. So you have to have limitations with such an idea.
On the issue of whether it is natural or not, well it has not been proven one way or the other as to whether it is learned behavior or genetic.
So it cannot be called natural unless it is proven absolutely to be genetic.
BTW everyone it is great to be able to talk about such a hot issue without anyone getting worked up and namecalling.
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bort
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posted July 29, 2003 03:27 PM |
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You are correct that anything can be justified based on what is "natural" just as anything can be claimed to be unjustified based on what is "natural." You used an appeal to what is "natural" as an argument against homosexuality. The beautiful thing about justifying something on natural law or the law of nature is that you don't ever need to provide references. Where is it written what is "natural?" Why do you get to decide?
You said unless it can be proven to be genetic, it is not "natural." Religion is not genetic. Does that mean religion doesn't deserve the protection of the law? Belonging to a political party is not genetic. Does that mean we can outlaw the Democrat and Republican parties?
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Lews_Therin
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posted July 29, 2003 06:28 PM |
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I just want to behave as God intended.
Unless a supernatural being tells you personally what his, her or its intentions are, we can safely assume that you behave as man intended.
Regarding the "natural"- issue, maybe it should be mentioned that homosexuality exists among most kinds of animals. One of the gayest species is the dolphin - 32% of the male dolphins are homosexual .
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hamsi128
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posted July 29, 2003 09:26 PM |
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Bort,
Imagine that you become father and you have a son. One day your son comes and declared to you that he is gay. Will you accept this situation? I ask this question because its easy to tell opinions on subjects we dont have any experiences. Now tell us honestly what will you do if this ''accident'' happens to your own son.
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