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lol Ohf, just take a walk outside, seems you really waked up in a bad mood. Walking is good for distressing, you'll see.
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posted May 07, 2011 09:45 AM |
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All Mvass and I have really been saying is that it's funny how you are quoting the CoC and all when you really haven't been careful with your own posts and all. Why don't you look at yourself before looking at others and all. I shouldn't even have to mention what kind of posts need to be stopped and what you should do. No, you may not have gotten a penalty but that is irreleveant as I have had aggressive posting which is so close to the CoC it's not funny. You've posted all this sex stuff that nobody is interested in and that too comes very close to breaking the CoC even though it hasn't gotten a penalty. Many people come close but at least others make an effort to change.
The thread was not a celebration of his death even though many are glad he is dead. Do you not think that if Aculias didn't make the thread then somebody else would have? He was a most wanted terrorist and he was killed. Of course somebody was bound to make the thread given what he has done. I also completely agree with Mvass in what he has posted here.
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posted May 07, 2011 09:45 AM |
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What the....
This thread celebrates someones possible death!!?
Seriously, this is so much out of place, it disgusts me! Further more, it's clearly against the CoC. I really don't want to be part of a community where I can find a thread like that in a serious part of the forum.
[I have nothing against anyone who have posted in that thread, I just find the thread a very very poor choice. I am futher more really shocked how stuff like fingering your butt, posted in the volcanic wasteland, can cause an uproar, while celebrrating the death of someone, no matter who it is, in the osm, gets allowed!?]
You state you really dont want to be in a community because of the thread.
So yea you whined & cried about leaving.
Someone would of made the thread if i did not, we all know that.
I take your reply here & the others after as a pure insult.
Not to mention you misread SOME not all of what i was trying to say.
It has been a huge deal ever since it came into light.
Looks like once again just like in the past.
It is me vs the whole community lol.
I am used to it by now lol.
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posted May 07, 2011 09:50 AM |
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Plus for your information, i was also one of the many who was against celebrating his death.
We stooped to their level when they CELEBRATED HARD when they crashed those planes in our land.
OR is that ok that they celebrated Ohfor?
I was simply stating what has been happening.
You forget I posted this like a half hour after the president gave his speech, so it was brand new still.
Dont come on here making me look like a piece of crap when you dont even know me.
if you knew me, you would know i am against violence & cherish life of all forms.
it dont mean i wont speak my mind.
Your annoying now.
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posted May 07, 2011 10:28 AM |
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Well people who like those kinds of posts are just as childish as you, no offense. I also owe you no apology for anything. I was hoping my HCM would clear some things up so that we don't talk on here. It's not my problem if you chose to not reply to it and the discussion continues here. While your posts may not breach the CoC, they come close. My aggressive posting comes close but doesn't breach it. The Osama thread doesn't even come close. It doesn't really support him dying, it was mainly to talk about his death. Of course there are going to be those who celebrate it, make no question of that. I don't blame them either.
And no, I won't stop replying. This is a community and I'm entitled to respond to whatever post I want whether you like it or not. If you think it's off topic then do what I did and send a hcm to me and we'll discuss it there. I already did my part now do yours or stop complaining.
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posted May 07, 2011 10:35 AM |
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Ohforf:
Again, that's not what the CoC means. "Respect" means we're supposed to respect members who follow the rules (making fun of Dear_Morons is okay). It certainly doesn't apply to terrorists who aren't even HC members. It is not against the CoC to celebrate such a person's death. And I should hope this forum reflects values of justice. When someone responsible for aggression dies, that's good.
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In particular there's no difference between wanting the death of a specific person, or a group of people. Likewise it does not matter if the group is defined through religious hatred towards USA, or relgious love towards christ, etc.
No, it actually does matter. The CoC forbids racism, sexism, and insults based on religion. It doesn't have a generic ban on negativity towards any group. "I am glad when terrorists die, and they deserve it" is not against the CoC. "Terrorist" is nor a race, sex, or religion.
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My sex posts, as you call them, how seldom they may be, are not violating the CoC.
They are both far too common and a violation of the CoC.
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posted May 07, 2011 10:52 AM |
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Please stop the discussion here, this is a feedback thread.
The mentioned thread will stay where it is, there is nothing wrong with it.
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posted May 07, 2011 10:54 AM |
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How are you not making me look like crap.
You make it like i celebrate peoples deaths.
Go in the other side of the monitor & look at all the threads.
Most are based on World events.
Usually the same day it happens or before like elections.
Whats the point though.
You are one of the most unreasonable people on here in these days.
I can explain, but you wont get it.
Your stuck on your own opinion.
Why even bother.
Why dont you brag about how better you are then all of us while your at it.
You basically do that without actually saying it.
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posted May 07, 2011 10:55 AM |
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Sorry about that Angelo!
I posted before i read it, I will not post in here with this again.
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posted May 07, 2011 11:25 AM |
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The mentioned thread will stay where it is, there is nothing wrong with it.
I take it means that it's acceptable and encouraged to celebrate and/or condone someones death despite it states in the CoC:
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The Foundation: Respect.
* An attitude of consideration and appreciation.
((Please notice. I don't find anything wrong with people discussing someones death, the consequences, the circumstances, etc. No I have trouble with the obvious wasteland posts, where people talks about how they enjoy someones elses demise!!
Edit: Which I believe the opening post of said thread encourages, despite it may not have been the intention of the author))
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posted May 07, 2011 12:32 PM |
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No one on here as far as I know is celebrating a death.
As far as i know if you read the whole thing, we are rarely talking about it.
We are talking about the whole situation & the future of what may come, not celebrating.
Think what you want dude.
I am done talking to you period.
As far as I am concerned I never saw you here & I will continue to have that thought process.
I agree Angelito, this thread is a serious topic.
Nothing to do with celebrating at all.
There is a big difference.
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posted May 07, 2011 11:23 PM |
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Birth and death are part of every life. We all know that. Most religious people think there is some kind of afterlife. So the life here on earth is maybe just 1 small step...maybe not...who knows?
So we do not know if death is something GOOD or something BAD. Therefor celebration of death can't be automatically a BAD thing.
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posted May 07, 2011 11:57 PM |
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There are other parts of the CoC, where that argument could be used just as effectively. Does it mean those parts can be ignored as well?
If you really want to go into such strange arguments (and I don't really understand why), then... insults and provocations are against the CoC. Death takes someone loved away. Loosing someone loved is a horrible thing. Celebrating (or encouraging celebration) others such horrible misery is both an insult and a provocation.
Surely, you're not making up the rules, but applying them, following the CoC to the best of your ability. So I don't really see any reason for some kind of explanation in this regard, either you find it against the CoC, or you don't.
Please, just be clear on this matter, yes or no, no explanations needed. Is it okay to do?
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posted May 08, 2011 12:40 AM |
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I think there is a difference. Let me explain simply. You can call something crap such as Microsoft for example like "I think Microsoft is crap". Somebody disagrees with you and says "I don't think they are", now, what we aren't allowed to do is then go "I think you're crap". As a member of this board, you're directly insulting that person. The other things you shouldn't do are insult people's race or where they come from, neither of those two are in the Osama thread. Now, I can understand perfectly why people would be glad he is dead and regardless of whether they say it in that thread or not, it's not an insult as he's not a member of this community and all. If he were then it'd be different. Make sense?
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posted May 08, 2011 12:56 AM |
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Moreover, we can even say "Microsoft is crap" if the poster is a Microsoft employee.
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posted May 08, 2011 11:02 AM |
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@ Ohforfsake
I was clear on that matter. I said the thread stays because it is ok.
If you don't feel well on a forum where people post such things, you're not forced to stay.
I really don't understand those pointless discussions. Why do you bother about someone's dead and how people react on it if you aren't even concerned? Maybe because of the same reason many other members participate on OSM discussions? Just because you like arguing?
It's really impossible to understand. Coming to a COMPUTERGAME forum and start to discuss about moral standards. I wonder if poeple on a bible forum talk about Pacman and Prince of Persia....
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posted May 08, 2011 01:09 PM |
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I don't understand, first you post:
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Please stop the discussion here, this is a feedback thread.
And now you start posting me non-feedback questions.
Well, as I told the others, this is not the thread for it and it's nothing I'm interested in discussing anyhow, I g. Beside you can find an answer to your first and second question in the posts I have already written here. Your second question is actually answered in my post before this one.
This statement is offensive to people who come to HC, not only for arguing:
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Maybe because of the same reason many other members participate on OSM discussions? Just because you like arguing?
I'd have expected you to know it's far from the case.
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It's really impossible to understand. Coming to a COMPUTERGAME forum and start to discuss about moral standards. I wonder if poeple on a bible forum talk about Pacman and Prince of Persia....
You, and salamandre have asked this, your third question, many times before. You've got your answers before, but you seem to keep on asking. I'm not gonna repeat myself, so I'll just paste a text by an authority you might feel emotionally uncomfortable disagreeing with.
Corribus wrote:
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One of the reasons I like visiting on-line forums and reading other viewpoints is because it's a great, non-random, anonymous way to test my own beliefs. The best way to feel confident in one's beliefs is to constantly evaluate them to make sure there aren't better ones around the corner. How better to do this than putting one’s beliefs up against other beliefs that are out there and seeing which one shines brighter? A belief has more value when it is battle tested. Because belief motion is influenced by people we interact with and because our conditioning biases what people we're likely to expose ourselves to, our real life does not often offer good opportunities to explore our beliefs and gain enlightenment. The internet forum offers a unique opportunity for exposure to random beliefs not biased by our own conditioning or social circles, and which are also not biased by the presence of potentially disingenuous authority figures or friends/family members that we're afraid to offend or disagree with. You people reading this are "random people" who have a lot of unique ideas about a number of topics that I find interesting. This exposure is mostly anonymous, and I know that the viewpoints I will encounter here are essentially random. I don't come here for the sole purpose of entertainment. I come here to prove that my opinion is right, but I'm not trying to prove it to you. I'm trying to prove it to myself. Through discussion with you, I find myself thinking about my beliefs in new ways, sort of like having someone proofread a manuscript because I know they will catch problems I'll never see, and though it may not come across the screen, I find myself tweaking my beliefs a lot in response to your challenges, your ideas, and your beliefs. Or at least, reinforcing my beliefs with the knowledge they've survived the battle. For that, I am grateful. I only wish that everyone here had the same motivation, but I get the feeling some people, particularly these days, only come around to compare penis sizes and prove to everyone else how enlightened they think they are.
You see, it's nothing to do, what so ever, what the forum is intended for. It has everything to do with the quality of the users who're at said forum. As I told acu, which I thought there was no reason for, and now you, beside having already stated this and stated there is no reason for it, there are many things I enjoy here. That this part of the forum now reflects values I cannot identify as my own, merely have consequences for this part, it has no consequences for other parts I enjoy. People I enjoy talking with, stuff I enjoy participating in. Really, osm is NOT heroes commmunity! You see, beside having written it quite a lot of times, it might have gone over your head that I really care for people, despite what they have done, or at least I try to. As such I find it very disgusting, when I feel empathy and pity for something, that on the same time, people are celebrating this same event. It's insulting to me, as much as it's insulting to a football fan, when someone starts talking about how boring football is, in a football related thread. Though this is death we're talking about, it certainly is on a much higher emotional level than football, so beside the procedure may be the same, it's not something you just joke about. At least not in osm. But it's no joke, it's serious!
So there, beside I didn't want to, I answered your questions I have no idea why you wrote in the first place. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna find my way out of this thread, as I have got answered my actual feedback, thanks.
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posted May 08, 2011 06:02 PM |
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As such I find it very disgusting, when I feel empathy and pity for something, that on the same time, people are celebrating this same event. It's insulting to me, as much as it's insulting to a football fan, when someone starts talking about how boring football is, in a football related thread. Though this is death we're talking about, it certainly is on a much higher emotional level than football, so beside the procedure may be the same, it's not something you just joke about.
But that's what a forum is whether you like it or not. How boring would it be to come to the forum and find everybody agreeing with each other. I know that you may have mentioned the football thread where I came into it and put my opinion of football across and that's fine. However, that sparks debate and thus makes the forum interesting, which I try to do. Regardless of whether people find Elodin frustrating with all his religious posts, it keeps the debate going and it keeps the OSM alive. No, OSM is NOT Heroes Community but it's a part of it. If it wasn't here then this wouldn't be HC. It's a forum. Discussion. Everybody with their own opinions regardless of whether people agree or disagree with them. I can understand that some may find it annoying or even insulting (maybe not that far) that somebody comes into a Football thread and says how boring it is and all but that's their own prerogative to post that whether people will agree or not.
Nobody has been joking about Osama's death. You have to look at it from everybody else's point of view, not just your own. I can see from both. Osama caused so much pain for people by the destruction and deaths that he caused. He has hurt many people by his actions. So for him to finally be killed, it was a small victory for all those that were hurt by his actions. Terrorism itself may not stop but a small part of it has. It'll keep going on and on but the fear of him being out there, able to cause more destruction, is silenced. I can understand that it might be distressing to see people discussing it but I think you've misunderstood the whole thing as nobody is joking about it. The whole thread is basically a discussion about him and with somebody of his character being killed, a thread like that was bound to happen whether you liked it or not. You have to understand how much he hurt people and why they would celebrate if they were.
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posted May 08, 2011 10:31 PM |
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Really, osm is NOT heroes commmunity!
Yeah, unfortunately it turned that way but should be fixed. First, people from HoMM related forums enjoyed to have different discussion as a break. Funny that you quote Corribus to enforce your position, as by the time when you still sucked the booze, he was on the top of the H2/H3 mapmaking, being 200% active and creative. When moving on, naturally he kept attachments by expressing himself in the OSM or others. What about all those people who come from nowhere, did nothing, then criticize HC after a few months? Chill.
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posted May 09, 2011 01:04 AM |
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As such I find it very disgusting, when I feel empathy and pity for something, that on the same time, people are celebrating this same event. It's insulting to me, as much as it's insulting to a football fan, when someone starts talking about how boring football is, in a football related thread.
There's really no better way of responding to this than, "Too bad, get over it." As long as you're not being insulted directly, and there's no racism/sexism, we can say it and there's nothing you can do about it. You think I haven't felt annoyed when things I believe in were insulted? But that's okay, because I don't run HC and free expression is more important than not offending people (within the racism/sexism/personal insults exceptions, of course). Your beliefs are not sacred. We have to respect you, but we don't have to respect what you believe.
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