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bort
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Supreme Hero
Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted December 10, 2004 06:40 PM |
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If a penalty was deserved for behavior in the Library forum, shouldn't it have been given in the Library forum?
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TheRealDeal
Promising
Supreme Hero
Foobum* of Justice!
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posted December 10, 2004 06:43 PM |
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Dude. I said that he diserved for this one, but i mentioned that he also diserved one more. Just to proove the point that even if he doesn't get a penalty here, or if he gets one.. He won't stop slandering members.
But i'm still a HC-N00B..
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted December 10, 2004 06:52 PM |
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RealDeal, if the moderators start randomly applying -QP to members in an effort to teach them a lesson HC would become very ridiculous very fast.
As far as this situation goes I think that the moderators acted in response to PM's request and were respecting her wishes. Her wishes have now changed, and I think we should respect that too by dropping this end of the arguement.
I think there have been some very constructive posts made here by members on how things have been lately in the Other Side, it seems to me that we should focus on that now.
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TheRealDeal
Promising
Supreme Hero
Foobum* of Justice!
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posted December 10, 2004 06:55 PM |
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What is ridicioulus is how the mods are just bending over now.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted December 10, 2004 07:00 PM |
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Pandora is right here.
If someone crosses the street while having red lights, he is not automatically guilty in case of a bankrobbery the next day...
We really should stop to discuss this one "penalty affair".....life has a sunshine side as well...
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted December 10, 2004 07:58 PM |
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I will step in this time as I feel that actions have been taken by moderators against what Mod Squad stands for. This community is for its members. Moderators are appointed to make the experience of community more enjoyable for the members.
Moderators must act based on Code of Conduct, and must not block members feedback about their actions. "Case closed" is not an answer if adequate reason has not been given, and it has not since several third parties to the conflict are not satisfied.
Since this discussion has been made public, so shall it be this time.
Firstly, moderators who support the penality, please quote Code of Conduct in defence of the penalty applied and remaining.
What I consider to be inappropriate mod conduct:
- Not basing decisions on the Code of Conduct.
- Refusing to hear member feedback.
- Using the "majority of moderators" to outweigh the rest.
- Swooping the above matter under the carpet.
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You can wait for others to do it, but if they don't know how, you'll wait forever.
Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2004 08:29 PM |
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Well, since Val posted I might add few comments here too. Of course the whole stuff which started here is a bit exaggerated. There were many posts, with Code of Conduct violations, which I saw here and in other parts of the forum. Stivens post was really distastefull, but it is not a really -Qp deserving post. I just don't understand why Peace Maker and Stiven couldn't clear everythin out in IM level of communication and taking some actions to have both sides happy... And now this thing... It proves, that Niddy's system of “no Qps at all” was the best system of Qp handeling this forum could ever have. (And if you think I just poped out from nowhere, I will say that I was observing the whole thing for a coupule of days now...)
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Peacemaker
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted December 10, 2004 09:23 PM |
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Just so everyone will know, I just got about a hundred IM's all at once dating back over a month. I have not been able to receive or send IM's for a long time, and this has been part of the problem.
Has anyone else had that experience lately? Did something in HC get changed recently?
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Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted December 10, 2004 11:00 PM |
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Peacemaker,
Here are some possibilities:
1. You haven't been logging in properly. For example, you might have been logging in with a lower case "p" instead of the correct capital "P".
2. Your web browser may have a secondary function of stopping pop-ups. You may have recently inadvertently deactivated this function.
I have experienced the former.
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TheRealDeal
Promising
Supreme Hero
Foobum* of Justice!
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posted December 11, 2004 11:29 AM |
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Well, since Val posted I might add few comments here too. Of course the whole stuff which started here is a bit exaggerated. There were many posts, with Code of Conduct violations, which I saw here and in other parts of the forum. Stivens post was really distastefull, but it is not a really -Qp deserving post. I just don't understand why Peace Maker and Stiven couldn't clear everythin out in IM level of communication and taking some actions to have both sides happy... And now this thing... It proves, that Niddy's system of “no Qps at all” was the best system of Qp handeling this forum could ever have. (And if you think I just poped out from nowhere, I will say that I was observing the whole thing for a coupule of days now...)
So, you say its distastefull, but it DOESN'T diserve a penalty?
I understand why PM didn't like it, very much indeed. And then suddenly Stivens starts his whining machine and everyone bloody caves in? What is up with that? I thought that HC was a self running place, i didn't know you have to pore a BIG pot of whine in it before something happened. Because if thats the way it works, everybody that wants a QP should just join this thread, and start whining for a long time until someone gives them a QP. We've just seen a similar thing happen.
This is the first time i've seen this.. Just because a known member whines, you see trouble, and you cave in. Bravo.
Last time i had a problem, i talked with a MOD on msn, we worked it all out. But this guy drags everyone in on it, so people will pity him and back him up. That was NOT a none diserving penalty.
FYI: This is not a witchhunt, i'm just stating my opinion.
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 11, 2004 11:53 AM |
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So, you say its distastefull, but it DOESN'T diserve a penalty?
It is distastefull, but it don't violate Code of Conduct in a strong way. It is worth a warning, but not a -Qp. And as I told before it would have been much better if those two could have disscussed everything over Ims, Emails or messengers.
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TheRealDeal
Promising
Supreme Hero
Foobum* of Justice!
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posted December 11, 2004 03:43 PM |
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Quote:
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So, you say its distastefull, but it DOESN'T diserve a penalty?
It is distastefull, but it don't violate Code of Conduct in a strong way. It is worth a warning, but not a -Qp. And as I told before it would have been much better if those two could have disscussed everything over Ims, Emails or messengers.
Well thats a matter of opinions then.
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted December 11, 2004 04:31 PM |
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funny thing ive noticed about HC, is that the ones using statuses such has "X of balance" or "X of justice" are usually the ones most biased.
As im told things are working still about this issue i wont comment the penalty/moderator thing any further for now.
What i will do though is give a comment to realdeal, if you wanna comment every step i do here at HC then thats your option. Usually it doesnt matter as there is no meaningful discussion anyway.
But here it is, and since you havent brought up anything at all that could change the decision proving what makes my insult so harsh but only adressed this penalty to be deserved due to library posts or the usual whine because you feel set aside i think its just ridicioulus.
I respect the fact that you might not agree with me, but everyone so far in this matter has given an explaination why they think as they do.. you have not as i wont even include the library motivation.
So my advice to you, if you wanna blindly agree with a moderators decision is to pick the ones where you atleast can motivate yourself doing it. Otherwise more members than me will lose their faith in your judgement as you will be seen just as a blindly mod supporter.
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TheRealDeal
Promising
Supreme Hero
Foobum* of Justice!
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posted December 11, 2004 04:59 PM |
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A blind mod follower you say?
Well, what about you. Everytime something goes past your noes, you begin to cry.
"Waaaah, i didn't get my QP"
"Waaaah, i lost a QP"
So you are already seen as a whiner in some peoples eyes. Mine for sure. Everything people disagree with them you get personal. You didn't get a QP; the mods are american. You lost a QP; person vendetta.
Can't you see YOU might be doing something wrong, instead of it's always other people doing the wrong things stiven?
And about me being a Mod Follower. Get a grip Stiven, that is just Bull and you know it. Someone finally disagreed without and you started slandering that person aswell. Lets see, who have said something bad. The Mods and Me. Who have you slandered... How do ya do?
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted December 11, 2004 05:24 PM |
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angelito have disagreed, do you think i did slander him?
But as you keep this just at a personal level with no relevance and still no backing up whatsoever why you think the penalty should stand i dont see how this contributes to the discussion.
I just think its hilarious that you take every chance to disagee and comment what i say and never have any backing for it.. like this perfect example about why you think the penalty should stand now. You really do must think you are some hero because you can disagree with me right?
well.. get a grip, get some relevance and back your arguements up about what you wanna discuss and try to keep at an adult level instead of a personalbashing one.
so there.. now im back to ignoring you again. Have a nice life
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Svarog
Honorable
Supreme Hero
statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted December 11, 2004 06:35 PM |
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My personal opinion is that Stiven made a good joke and nothing more. I’m not defending his respected asz, though. Whats irritating is that he actually wanted to get that penalty, just to make a show out of it. Nevermind that, its history.
There was even more extreme case in ruby’s “i’m home” thread (with me as the main vilian ), but i think that’s a good example of how it should be resolved.
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As far as this situation goes I think that the moderators acted in response to PM's request and were respecting her wishes. Her wishes have now changed, and I think we should respect that too by dropping this end of the arguement.
The mods arent here to act according to individual member wishes. Stiven obviously didn’t share PM’s wish, which leads us to clearcut mod favoritism. I know that’s not what you meant anyway; i suppose i just quoted a badly worded argument. 
I also don’t agree with the theory of balanced mods. The world isnt an American-European continuum, nor is it liberal vs conservative battleground. Gender balance, stupid-smart balance (a stupid mod necessary. lol) etc. What we need is a an open-minded mod who recognizes a good argumented, or refined style post when he/she sees one, and isnt particularly totalitaristic when it comes to the COC. That’s entirely up to the individual, not his profile. For example, I’d be happy if bort was a mod, even though he doesn’t represent the “non-American” perspective.
Concerning bort’s objection about the enforced striving for compromise, I agree absolutely. But that doesn’t mean that even extreme standpoints cant be well defended (in the particular case, the pedophilia). A good mod would award such a post, if it opens new perspectives of view for opponents and makes them soften their attitude or even rethink for a moment.
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted December 11, 2004 10:30 PM |
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Nice Svarog That wasn't exactly how I meant it, and I think you know that so I won't even argue with ya! I'll just get back to my giggling goo-boy...
RealDeal, I think that one thing you should consider is this. When you had a problem you voiced it, and so even though i didn't agree with you, we sat down, talked it through and you're still an active poster here. I don't really see how you can condemn other members for voicing their problems and expecting to be heard in much the same way you were. All members should feel that they can voice whatever their opinions are here, if they don't then we really don't have much of a "community" at all, do we?
I will remind you of the CoC
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Insults are not allowed at Heroes Community. Insult is any remark that undermines the persona of another member. Whether censored or not, posting insults will attract a warning and then a penalty. A simple way to avoid insulting people is to discuss their actions rather than their personality. For example: rather than saying who they are, "you suck" or "you are a .....", say what you think about what they've done and why you think that, for example "I think your accusation is inaccurate because (facts)".
Your opinion on this is very much as valued as anyone else's, but please share it without attacking Sir_Stiven. If you feel that the penalty should stand, then please explain why as Sir_Stiven has already requested.
As for the whole matter of the penalty situation itself, you will see now that the penalty has been removed.
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"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
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Khaelo
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Underwater
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posted December 11, 2004 11:54 PM |
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The penalty has been removed for good this time. It was applied because the post was misinterpreted. Since that was a mistake -- it wasn't what we thought it was -- it has been corrected. A lot of the fuss occured while different mods changed their minds at different paces, and confusion resulted.
My initial edit explaining the penalty remains. I leave it up to Stiven whether or not he wishes to leave that be, remove it himself (since the penalty's gone, that's just fine with me), have a mod remove it, etc.
As to the general issues on this forum, I have very little to say at this time, but I am certainly paying attention.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 12, 2004 05:28 AM |
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People need to take jokes sometimes I mean if you cant even take a harmless joke then F that person basically for jumping the gun.
FAVORTISM FAVORTISM
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Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted December 12, 2004 06:34 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 12 Dec 2004
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I Disagree
A joke is only a joke if the person receiving it takes it as such. A joke is not a joke simply because the person delivering it thinks it to be so.
What if you said my Dad is a terrible bed-buddy with my mother. If my relationship with you commonly experiences such jokes then no harm done. But if you don't even know me and that's the first time I've heard you say that then I am greatly offended. That's of a very personal nature.
This is not dissimilar to what Sir_Stiven said. I may be mistaken but I don't think the two of them have the kind of relationship/friendship that commonly experiences humor of this nature. Because of this, Sir_Stiven was like a stranger walking up on the street and accusing her of being unfaithful to her husband and son. Sir_Stiven may have been joking. But that's inconsiderate because he didn't think to consider the impact of the joke on the receiving party. He simply spit it out regardless of what other people felt.
As I said before, I didn't take it as an insult because the facts of the post only shortly before clearly contradicted the so-called 'joke'. And not from one but two sources. The facts overwhelmingly contradicted the joke but it remains tasteless toilet humor. Would I have been offended? No, but I would have noted to myself, not to be so open around this person in the future.
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