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So, baklava, do you really believe that it is difficult to distinguish a child from an adult ? 
Do you, by any means, happen to know Elodin's age? I tell you he's much older than 21. k thx bye.
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The problem is, they just don't wanna listen. They don't care what others say. They continuously do the same all over again.
I don't see you listening either. Not you, or JJ, or anyone else who claims that. I mean, yeah, TheDeath has never said "I am wrong", but has JJ said? Have you said it?
TheDeath, on the other hand, usually replies to what you post, taking points out, instead of "that just makes no sense to reply to."
Really look at that kind of posts and see how 'constructive' they are.
What's it called in psychology? Oh yeah, projecting your (plural) own thoughts on others. I'm starting to wonder if this is what's happening with you and JJ.
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If he gets "caught" in a case where he is proven wrong (for example the "sharing" issue), he just uses the other's post and completely turns the point into another direction.
What are you talking about? You accuse Elodin of talking about proof for religion (he thinks he has, you think he is delusioned), but look at you inventing proofs out of nothing.
I remember addressing the sharing issue. You share sandwiches. Good for you. I "share ideas" all the time. And let me tell you something really confidential: I don't lose my ideas.
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But it's a completely valid analogy.
Of course but he doesn't want to address it, I mean, he is "so above that level of a post", we can all see that.
EDIT: Is it just me or did JollyJoker delete his posts in this thread? (like Father did). I haven't seen them but it's what I conclude from his absence but people talking about his posts.
I think we should have a 16-26 years subforum where actual mature people who want to engage in logical discussion (rather than entitlement) can discuss rather than sensitive people, like JJ and Father here, who resort to removing their posts as if it would solve anything in the logical sense (and it would keep Elodin also out, bonus if you will).
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posted December 01, 2009 08:20 PM |
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I think we should have a 16-26 years subforum where actual mature people who want to engage in logical discussion (rather than entitlement) can discuss rather than sensitive people, like JJ and Father here, who resort to removing their posts as if it would solve anything in the logical sense (and it would keep Elodin also out, bonus if you will).
It would keep me out as well. 
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posted December 01, 2009 08:22 PM |
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It would keep me out as well.
You're one of the rare gems. Oh and Binabik too, he mostly posts quality material.
I was being sarcastic though.
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posted December 01, 2009 08:35 PM |
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Angelito, like mvass pointed out, I responded to your post with a very simple analogy that was meant to illustrate that I think this isn't really sharing... but something different.
I could've explained it, but I was hoping it is kinda obvious.
Since I hate blaming people's intelligence (I'm not entitled to do it), I blame the language barrier. After all we're not natives and we don't express our thoughts as well as in our native language, which can bring some confusion.
There was no running around the point: the blue text actually IS the answer, and it's pretty direct.
Well, never mind, at least you don't accuse my whole posting in that thread of running around in laps or changing my arguments as I am proven wrong
As for Corribus, yeah, he is indeed the best poster around here. If someone deserves the "Admirable" title next, it's him ;] No sarcasm, I'm actually dead snowing serious.
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posted December 01, 2009 08:36 PM |
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Cause this is a 'serious' thread (or at least is supposed to be). As much as I enjoy the banter, it is not acceptable in such a thread.
Mytical please... it's cute to watch you try and be all serious and responsabile but the CoC cleary states:
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Junk post is a post that fails to address the topic of discussion and fails to provide intellectual or humorous stimulation, or put simply: off topic, not interesting, not funny.
So to put it in terms of the CoC, I'm pretty sure that what Binabik posted both provides humorous and intellectual stimulation aswell as being funny and interesting, ergo it's not spam. Rather than go and destroy something nice I think you can find other ways of proving that you're a responsabile mod. Because deleting that hardly proves that you're taking your responsabilities seriously, rather than showing that you don't really understand them.
But that's just me being a backseat moderator I guess...
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TheDeath
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posted December 01, 2009 08:39 PM |
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If someone deserves the "Admirable" title next, it's him ;] No sarcasm, I'm actually dead snowing serious.
I wasn't sarcastic with that post, I was talking about my previous one with the age request subforum.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:09 PM |
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Angelito, like mvass pointed out, I responded to your post with a very simple analogy that was meant to illustrate that I think this isn't really sharing... but something different.
Come on. Now it's getting a bit lame.
One says: "Black is not yellow"
You say: "But would be cool if Black + 1 = 34"
What has your statement to do with the entire question? (Downloading is or is not sharing!) Nothing!
Your idea maybe a cool one, and maybe valid, but completely off the point.
But where in your post did you say DL is NOT sharing?
I didn't read in any post of yours in the whole thread a reply to TheDeath, when he said DL is sharing. If you think it is not, why didn't you post?
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TheDeath
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posted December 01, 2009 10:14 PM |
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Have you ever shared ideas with someone, angelito?
It involves communication. Why would the internet be different, makes no sense (after all, it's a global communications device)
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posted December 01, 2009 10:16 PM |
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As for Corribus, yeah, he is indeed the best poster around here.
Truth.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:21 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 22:22, 01 Dec 2009.
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I don't see you listening either. Not you, or JJ, or anyone else who claims that. I mean, yeah, TheDeath has never said "I am wrong", but has JJ said? Have you said it?
Again...this is not about JJ, this is about YOU! Just stay focused and turn turn left and right whenever you like.
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TheDeath, on the other hand, usually replies to what you post, taking points out, instead of "that just makes no sense to reply to."
Really look at that kind of posts and see how 'constructive' they are.
What's it called in psychology? Oh yeah, projecting your (plural) own thoughts on others. I'm starting to wonder if this is what's happening with you and JJ.
I repeat myself: I haven't said anything about JJ. And I have never said his posting style si the way to go, did I? Stay focused.
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What are you talking about? You accuse Elodin of talking about proof for religion (he thinks he has, you think he is delusioned), but look at you inventing proofs out of nothing.
See above. This is about you, not about Elodin and his religion.
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I remember addressing the sharing issue. You share sandwiches. Good for you. I "share ideas" all the time. And let me tell you something really confidential: I don't lose my ideas.
I must be superhuman
Again failed badly. You do not "share" ideas. You may TELL them to others, so they KNOW about your idea, but it still is just YOURS. THE OTHERS do not have YOUR idea. You're far away from being superhuman...maybe super stubborn...(not sure)
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But it's a completely valid analogy.
Of course but he doesn't want to address it, I mean, he is "so above that level of a post", we can all see that.
If someone asks you if 1+1=2, and you say "Mix black and white then you get grey!", you made a valid statement, but it had NOTHING to do with the entire QUESTION. I already told ya more than once that this is how YOU mostly act. And this time Doomforge did exactly the same. If you quote someone and answer to his post, don't lose your focus and the question of the quoted post. Answer directly to qhat is questioned. No non-important analogy, which may correct in itself, but completely off topic.
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I think we should have a 16-26 years subforum where actual mature people who want to engage in logical discussion (rather than entitlement) can discuss rather than sensitive people, like JJ and Father here, who resort to removing their posts as if it would solve anything in the logical sense (and it would keep Elodin also out, bonus if you will).
There are tons of fora in the entire internet where only adults talk. There is no need to recreate HC to your pleasure, just look elsewhere what you seek, if you do not like it here.
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posted December 01, 2009 10:26 PM |
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It is not about your beliefs, but about how you go about it. Yeah, so Elodin is always saying 'you are lying blah blah blah'. Of COURSE he thinks your lying, because you don't AGREE with his OPINION.
Both are being childish, sticking their tongues out at each other (basically). It is also not about a 'mirror' as Elodin claims, because he will insult worse, and claim of lies if he doesn't agree with something. HOWEVER, two wrongs do NOT make a right.
That is untrue. I never call anyone a liar for disagreeing with me and certainly try to avoid calling anyone a liar at all. However, there are certain people who like to put words in my mouth. I call them to produce the quote and of course they can't.
You have fundamental disagreements with me so you are far from neutral when it comes to your assessments of my posts.
Also, I would point out that I get insulted constantly from certain individuals. Someone recently got -Qp for calling another person an idot yet insults against me seem to quite all right, narry a scolding.
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TheDeath
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posted December 01, 2009 10:30 PM |
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Again...this is not about JJ, this is about YOU! Just stay focused and turn turn left and right whenever you like.
No, but it's you and JJ who talk about me that way. You say stuff about me that you do yourselves, what's so hard to get the hypocrisy?
(btw this is feedback thread so JJ's posts count as feedback to me just like yours, it's not a chat thread)
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Again failed badly. You do not "share" ideas. You may TELL them to others, so they KNOW about your idea, but it still is just YOURS. THE OTHERS do not have YOUR idea. You're far away from being superhuman...maybe super stubborn...(not sure)
Sorry but you are just picking on semantics.
People use that expression all the time, and it is a valid statement. In fact, to me, it's the only form of sharing, the other (when you lose it) is called GIVING part of it. In fact, sharing "experiences" and ideas is a pretty common expression you will find in open-source groups.
Why should I listen to you instead?
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There are tons of fora in the entire internet where only adults talk. There is no need to recreate HC to your pleasure, just look elsewhere what you seek, if you do not like it here.
If you didn't see my response was to dimis' suggestion for a 21-and-older only forum, which ironically would include Elodin, the one he was probably against.
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posted December 01, 2009 11:10 PM |
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Of course, dimis.
By the way, you are making a statement with that post of course, concerning the copyright thread.
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TheDeath
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posted December 01, 2009 11:12 PM |
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JollyJoker, can I post the post that you made to which I said thanks earlier ?
Why? He's mature enough, isn't he?
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posted December 02, 2009 12:13 AM |
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Oh hush you're just jealous because it isn't one of your posts.
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Corribus
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posted December 02, 2009 01:05 AM |
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@mvass, doomforge, death
That was very kind of you all, but I think there are lots of great posters here who deserve equal praise. It's just that productive, intelligent discussion has been made impossible by the insipid but nevertheless vociferous arguing of a handful of people. But what's the solution? :shrug:
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posted December 02, 2009 02:01 AM |
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A harsh discussion was going in "minarets" thread. Between BS from my side and BS from The Death/team side a wise post resumed it all, without personal feeling and such. Thats why I propose Vlaad for one more QP.
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posted December 02, 2009 02:08 AM |
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I wouldn't call our posts BS, just a bit disorganized. You should look at other forums how degenerated they can become.
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posted December 02, 2009 02:43 AM |
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You also want to convince yourselves that you are grown ups.
If anything you came with that idea so it's the other way around. How come the FUSS always comes from the other ones than the ones who "drag the OSM down"? I've never seen fuss regarding personal attacks from mvass & baklava, for instance, which are "not grown ups" by your age definition. I suspect it's always the ones who think they are ENTITLED to a discussion's arguments without even needing proper debate that make up fuss. Or if you disagree with them, cause if you do, they are dragging the OSM down.
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I guess if you don't go out a little bit and experience the real world, in the end you will learn some things in a way which will be much worse than my current post - if my post even touches you that is.
Translation: it is impossible for someone who has experienced life to post like Elodin, mvass, TheDeath, and the others who drag the OSM down.
You might want to re-check that statement's validity for blindness and realize, maybe, some people prefer to debate differently.
Now replying to JJ's post since I've seen it -- the part about addressing me I mean (I'm entitled to that):Quote:
Now, "not to mentiom you've said similar things to Death", is probebly supposed to mean that's even worse, but it may surprise you that I don't see it that way.
In his very own way Death is as destructive as Elodin
Destructive? What is that supposed to mean?
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The difference is - as far as I'm concerned and as far as my realization goes - that he doesn't do it in a forceful, earnest, grave, hammerblow way, but more, like, in an annoying way. He wants to annoy and be a pain, I can imagine that this was his style in school as well, and he loves to contradict.
I don't actually care about annoyance, because that depends on the person in question's attitude towards, which I couldn't care less about. No, you see, what I do is find flaws in argumentation -- and point them out. Analogies are a good way to do it because it shows hypocrisy easily, that's why I use them a lot.
In other words, I usually always reply to arguments -- or rather, to flaws in them. Whether I am annoying to YOU or not is irrelevant to me, because I don't care what you get annoyed at, in fact, if I did it would be considered "personal", but I don't take things personal in debates.
You, on the other hand, rarely address my arguments, especially when they point out flaws in yours. Since you used angelito as an example in the copyright thread, I gave him a flaw with his "sharing" definition, and what post was from him?
Is that for real? How can that ever be a discussion SERIOUSLY if you/he tells me "no, that's not sharing, that's telling" when that phrase is a very common phrase?
I mean what he said can be used for EVERYTHING: "no, that's not X, that's Y", but at least he gave some ARGUMENTS, the sandwich analogy, and I gave mine, the sharing ideas analogy.
Frankly, in this scenario, if you were him, I think you would simply get "annoyed" because I demonstrated that sharing can, indeed, be a copy, and you simply dismiss the argument because you can't counter it.
Tell you what. I'm going to dismiss the sandwich example just as he did mine. What is the difference?
So JJ, I have nothing personally against you (can't say the reverse unfortunately), but don't think you are entitled to "default" arguments more than the one who brings counter arguments to the table. This "grown up" discussion will lead to this:
1) Sharing means you lose the item: I share a sandwich.
2) No, sharing means you copy it. I share ideas.
3) No, that's telling ideas!
4) No, that's giving a sandwich
what's next? don't you see the blatant flaw in it? Why do you think my post makes no sense when I could say the same about angelito's? The irony here is that you accuse me of not admitting I am wrong when you, in fact, are doing it yourself. Projection, like I said.
You can see from above how mirroring actually IS A FACT that it is true.
Next time you accuse others, like me, of certain behaviors, be sure to not show the same behavior yourself.
a bit more backing up your points and countering the counter would be a more civil debate, instead of personal attacks against members or their names.
Here's an easy way: imagine everyone posted anonymously. Can you handle it? If you are mature, you should. 
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