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posted June 23, 2010 04:40 PM |
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He's preferring to generally offend whole groups: atheists, muslims, pro-choicers, you name it.
I am sorry that you seem to be offended when certain ideas are called into question. However, when an idea is critisized perhaps you should try to counter the points of the person who called your ideas into question instead of insulting them.
Yes, I have critisized Islamic terrorists. Obviously most Muslims are not terrorists. I'm sorry if you find me critisizing terrorists offensive.
You have a perfect right to be a Muslim, an atheist, an agnostic, a Hindu, or whatever religious belief you want to adhere to. You have a perfect right to be a communist, socialist, libertarian, Nazi, Democrat, or whatever other political philosophy you want to adhere to. However, you don't have the right to shut down all critique of those beliefs. If you are unable to tolerate your beliefs being critiqued perhaps you should examine the internal reasons for why that makes you angry.
As for whether or not Obama is a Marxist, that is a subject for the thread in which you slandered me.
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posted June 23, 2010 04:51 PM |
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All HC threads are falling in dust after a while and the true history does not care about. You are overtaking this, the truth you may own or not has zero impact on how things are really going outside. I hope you realize that before going mad.
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posted June 23, 2010 05:36 PM |
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Elodin, what you just said was so deliciously soaked in Irony that you could press cloths with it.
also, I love the way you've associated democrats, hindus, atheists and agnostics with communists and nazi's, very classy.
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posted June 23, 2010 07:45 PM |
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posted June 23, 2010 07:52 PM |
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Now that was a bad movie.
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posted June 23, 2010 08:57 PM |
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The way I think you can come off as very insulting Elodin, though in general I think it'd be better if people just ignored text parts they see as containing no information except insults, and in general just ignore what they think are the insulting parts, is that I have the impression you might write something like:
Group [of people] are [insert something] and have the problem [insert something].
Then in a later post in the same or another thread, you might happen to call someone to belong to the very same group.
Now, I would not be surprised if people you'd call an atheist would think that you also believe these people are of the same attributes you gave to all atheists just earlier, i.e. an insult if you said:
Person X is [insert insult]
is equivalent to
All of type Y are [insert insult]
person X is of the type Y
In general, maybe it'd be better if you did not conclude upon individuals in a group you define, unless you make the definition valid and in that case, don't place other people in those groups, because you can't check your definition throughout (that is, you'll either lack in a complete definition or lack in information to put the definition on top of people on an internet fora, because the actions you see on an internet fora can never be sufficient to determine the actions of a person in every instance of their life).
I don't really have much to comment upon JJ's behaviour, he didn't take his behaviour up for debate, but in general, I think he comes off maybe a bit too strong. Like in the thread about discussion vs. debate, where, iIRC, he'd not accept it depends on the given persons own definition (how they use it) of debate vs. discussion. Anyway, I don't think anyone of us should be judging upon eachother, but in this particular example, I at least have concluded that JJ sees debate and discussion very differently and therefore I've been using the term disucssion when we've been talking in stead of debate, so there's no "war to win". It's cool you've your opinions, but you often, to my impression, come off as saying, in general "no your opinion is wrong", and yes an opinion of which can be tested can of course be wrong, but when trying to argument it often gets on a level where no one anymore can follow, because it requires some extreme serious reading, or is argumented, very often, by histirocal facts, though, as I see it, without taking the change of environment and that history is written by the 'winners' into consideration. (Which I think goes for all parts of history, even who came first with classical mechanics, today most people recognize Leipniz and Newton equal, but I'm pretty convinced that England and rest of Europe had each their farvorite for a long long time and who knows, maybe one of the two parts did make a sacrifice after which both were ones again united in the science community).
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posted July 07, 2010 06:17 PM |
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Evidently I have had a QP taken away though no one has told me why. Perhaps the mod who did so would be so kind as to give me the reason. I only noticed because someone linked bo my profile in a post.
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posted July 07, 2010 06:42 PM |
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Wasn't me.
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posted July 07, 2010 07:42 PM |
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Elodin
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posted July 07, 2010 08:02 PM |
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I don't remember having two quality posts. I had one QP in the "Why I gave up believing in God" thread. I have never been informed that I had a QP taken away. Well, I was once but Mytical restored it after discussion in the feedback thread.
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posted July 07, 2010 08:05 PM |
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It wasn't. It's just a little bug we have here. When your penalties catch up to your to QPs and you have 0 quality points overall the site thinks you didn't get any QPs and doesn't bother to show the bonus tab in your profile. You can still find them using the search function, however. Like this.
Edit: Ehhh, that's actually interesting. Turns out you can also access the bonus page if you write the address directly. For example, if you check the bonus of page of another member and then substitute his name with "Elodin", you get this.
I wonder now...
Edit2: Nope, that didn't work. Clever basterds.
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posted July 07, 2010 08:37 PM |
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If I understand you correctly then I guess I asked the wrong question. Which moderator has given me penalties and for what?
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posted July 07, 2010 08:50 PM |
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It wasn't. It's just a little bug we have here. When your penalties catch up to your to QPs and you have 0 quality points overall the site thinks you didn't get any QPs and doesn't bother to show the bonus tab in your profile. You can still find them using the search function, however. Like this.
Edit: Ehhh, that's actually interesting. Turns out you can also access the bonus page if you write the address directly. For example, if you check the bonus of page of another member and then substitute his name with "Elodin", you get this.
I wonder now...
Edit2: Nope, that didn't work. Clever basterds.
Nice try there.
Too bad it didn't work.
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posted July 07, 2010 09:28 PM |
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Evidently I have had a QP taken away though no one has told me why. Perhaps the mod who did so would be so kind as to give me the reason. I only noticed because someone linked bo my profile in a post.
Seems you recieved a penalty here in the feedback thread. Just read back page 75 and the warning of Vokial. You haven't been the only one recieving one, but the posts have been deleted later, because they have been off topic/spam (which was the reason for the penalty)
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posted July 07, 2010 10:10 PM |
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Actually, I made no off topic post. I did respond to feedback about me that was false. I was not informed at that time that I received a penalty for presenting evidence that the claims about me were false.
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posted July 07, 2010 10:30 PM |
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You were actually doing the same thing all over again. You were asked to keep this out of the feedback thread and warned about possible penalty/silencing but went ahead anyway. Yes we got it after the first 25 times, everyone is out to get you. If you see the moderators aware of the issue but not doing something, further pronging them is not going to gain points in your favour. Measures taken are up to them and should be left at that.
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posted July 07, 2010 11:28 PM |
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You were actually doing the same thing all over again. You were asked to keep this out of the feedback thread and warned about possible penalty/silencing but went ahead anyway. Yes we got it after the first 25 times, everyone is out to get you. If you see the moderators aware of the issue but not doing something, further pronging them is not going to gain points in your favour. Measures taken are up to them and should be left at that.
No, I have not been asked not to post requests for feedback in the feedback thread. In fact the moderators said this is the place people should post when insults occur. I'm quite sure the post is still in the feedback thread if you want me to look it up for you.
Actually what happened was I posted a request for moderators to address two instances of insults. One was a person insulting me multiple times even after I kindly asked him to stop several times.
Then a several people started posting insults against me in the feedback thread. That is when Volkial posted the warning.
I did not post anything at all off topic.
Now, Volkials second post came after I posted a request for an explaination from Mystical why she wanted two of my posts changed. Ohfor posted a comment and Mystical posted a comment. I exchanged several posts with Mystical about the situation since Mystical had said not to bother with PMs. I assumed Volkial's second post was a "preemptive strike" to keep others from making such posts as they did the first time instead of addressing the question I raised.
So none of my posts were off topic.
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posted July 08, 2010 07:45 AM |
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Although I doubt it, it may be a comfort to you that I lost a qp as well.
I've no idea, why - but truth be told, we both did overstep the borders quite a few times (even though we will both have had good enough reason individually and subjectively), so I will book that under probably undeserved in this specific case (and in the feedback thread, of all things!), but it's like with yellow cards in soccer: make enough fouls just on the brink of being card-worthy, and eventually you'll get one, even though it might be undeserved.
Of course, handing out -qps in the feedback thread of all threads seems debatable. If you feel offended and bring something to the feedback thread - like Elodin did - the mods shouldn't hand out -qps, just because THEY are unable to explain to him why something isn't penalty worthy. I have no idea whether Elodin got a PM trying to explain to him the pov of the mods - telling him to grow up or something like that won't do the job.
Why I got one, who knows. I certainly don't. Because it was about time? I've been naughty? I was disrespectful to the teacher? What a kindergarden.
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posted July 10, 2010 06:03 AM |
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Well when the people act like kids, what do you expect? Act like kids, we treat you like kids. Simple eh? Instead of when you step over the line, crying because you don't get your way. I treat people with respect when given the same. You want respect, earn it. You can sink to others levels, or you can realize this forum is about a community, and not about YOU.
I absolutely hate giving penalties, with a passion. So if somebody sinks to a low level, take the high road. You'll get the respect you think you deserve, and the other person will not. Respect has to be earned, and can be lost. Go the high road, regain it, and all will be good.
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posted July 10, 2010 08:31 AM |
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Of course that's at least as true the other way round as well...
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