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Conan
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posted May 12, 2005 02:49 PM |
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Good to hear Halanna.
OK, so since it's less work, I'll leave the players on the list.
Now we move to the second step; deciding a date for the start of the finals (elimination rounds).
I like Léo's idea, about the top players facing non active users as an incentive to get to the top before the finals. What do you think?
So we have 2 issues:
1) Start date of finals
2) Do we eliminate non active users before finals or have them face the best players (and chances are they wont show up and good player gets an easy win)
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Jebus
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posted May 12, 2005 03:30 PM |
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Now we move to the second step; deciding a date for the start of the finals (elimination rounds).
I like Léo's idea, about the top players facing non active users as an incentive to get to the top before the finals. What do you think?
So we have 2 issues:
1) Start date of finals
2) Do we eliminate non active users before finals or have them face the best players (and chances are they wont show up and good player gets an easy win)
Personnally I would just start it and if we see all the games have been played (except non active players) we could then assess when the finals would start...
I don't think it needs to have a deadline... it's for fun so as long as we see progression I think we can take it more relaxed.
Also, if a player has not played AT ALL then I would eliminate him before playoffs... if someone has demonstrated lack of interest of commitment, we can decide at that point.
I think a top seeded player should only get a bye we have an uneven number at the beg of playoff rounds.
IMO.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted May 13, 2005 01:32 PM |
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I think that there should be 1 point for a win and nothing else, that way it rewards active players. If that's how you want it...
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angelito
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posted May 13, 2005 02:02 PM |
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I think that there should be 1 point for a win and nothing else, that way it rewards active players. If that's how you want it...
Sorry, not true.
What about the active losers?
If someone plays 10 games and loses all of them, he has the same points as a player who didn´t play any game.
To reward active players, you have to give points for the game and extra points for the win.
So to give 1 point for a loss (reward for playing the game) and 3 points for a win (1 of these points is the reward for playing the game, the others for the win) is the best u can do.
So 3 losses would count as 1 win.....
Just my 2 cents though...
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tigris
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posted May 13, 2005 02:35 PM |
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just wondering
2 players can play against eachother only once, or as many times they like in this tourney?
IMHO Angelito's suggestion is the best way to do it and i agree with it.
Seems like things start to heat up in this tourney and i think by the time the week-end ends we will have the first games played already.
Well i should have said this before any game started, but seems Leo and TA already are playing, anyways:
Good luck to all the participants! Play fair and don't forget this is all for fun.We all have yet lots to learn about the game and this tourney is a great oportunity to do so.Once again good luck and may the best noob win!
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Conan
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posted May 13, 2005 02:40 PM |
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I don't know
On one hand Angelito, I totally understand what you mean with a player who lost 10 games = player that did not play... that is an issue.
On the other hand, this tourney is to have fun. The points don't make it fun, the game does. This tourney was originally made to have the possibility of battling only noobs and not get beaten up by vets. And also of having the security to battle people you know and have met through HC.
I don't want to be mean to anyone, but I don't know how to put it: this is not kindergarden. If a member stops playing because he's not rewarded properly then, so be it... that's just sad in my mind. The rest of us will keep on playing. Essentially, we don't need 10 members. We don't even need 5. 4 would do the trick and originally it was Jebus, Léo, Tigris and I. We are still active.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that people like Plexus and LKru have join, it's great! but I don't think they are here because they get rewards.
Then again, that's just my 2 cents, but if the majority of the members here want a point given to a loser, I wouldn't have a problem with that either.
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Conan
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posted May 13, 2005 02:44 PM |
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2 players can play against eachother only once, or as many times they like in this tourney?
Uh... yes. and it's only to speed up things. is that cool?
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tigris
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posted May 13, 2005 03:00 PM |
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On the other hand, this tourney is to have fun. The points don't make it fun, the game does.
I totally agree with this Conan, but i think these points are a motivation for some.
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I don't want to be mean to anyone, but I don't know how to put it: this is not kindergarden. If a member stops playing because he's not rewarded properly then, so be it... that's just sad in my mind.
IMHO we should just enjoy playing and stop throwing words like these for a few points.In the end we could drop this whole point system, just add the wins and the losses in the end simple as that.No matter if you give a point to a guy that lost in a game or not, in the end the guy with the best win/loss record will win, so IMHO no point in arguing upon so small details.
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Essentially, we don't need 10 members. We don't even need 5. 4 would do the trick and originally it was Jebus, Léo, Tigris and I. We are still active.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that people like Plexus and LKru have join, it's great! but I don't think they are here because they get rewards.
No Conan they are here to have fun as am i and you. IMHO saying "we don't need 10 members" isn't very motivational for a newplayer that might want to join on the way.I think use of diplomacy would be indicated here
Let's just start playing and then we'll solve these insignifiant details as time passes
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posted May 13, 2005 03:02 PM |
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I don't want to be mean to anyone, but I don't know how to put it: this is not kindergarden. If a member stops playing because he's not rewarded properly then, so be it...
BOOOM!!!!! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ!!!!!
(Uh... pay no attention to that guy behind the curtain)
It doesn't matter to me what the point system consists of. It can be 2 points, 3 points, 3 penguins, 2 hockey pucks, 1 igloo... it all works 
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Jebus
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posted May 13, 2005 03:45 PM |
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In the end it's really simple....
the tourney was to follow a hockey format so I'd agree to have 2points a win, no points for a loss...
If you don't play a game you get -1 point for each non played game....
This way someone who's played all the games and has not had much luck will still be well above a player who has not played all the games.... If someone is not active at all, he will simply be removed.
(I can already forsee having -1 penalty)
(there is no diff bet the 3pt win/1pt loss and the
2ptwin/0pt loss.... the scale is pretty much the same.
If the points are an issue, we can do win to loss records instead)
(Angel, I understand your point but the truth is, this type of debating about "the how to's" of someone's tourney" is what made me leave the mighty alliance tourney way back when... it's just for fun so whoever organizes it, should just do it how's he comfotable... let's leave it at that)
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Conan
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posted May 13, 2005 04:35 PM |
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Essentially, we don't need 10 members. We don't even need 5. 4 would do the trick and originally it was Jebus, Léo, Tigris and I. We are still active.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that people like Plexus and LKru have join, it's great! but I don't think they are here because they get rewards.
No Conan they are here to have fun as am i and you. IMHO saying "we don't need 10 members" isn't very motivational for a newplayer that might want to join on the way.I think use of diplomacy would be indicated here
Let's just start playing and then we'll solve these insignifiant details as time passes
I agree and wasn't trying to be mean... I just didn't know how else to put it. My point was only to say that if a new player wants to join, he'd be very welcome. But we don't need to motivate people to join; we are just here to manage the tourney. The more members the better, I agree, but the success of the noob tourney will not depend on membership, it will depend of getting the games played 
But Tigris, I appreciate your comments. I agree with you that the W/L solution is the best one and count the number of wins for ranking, and then in elimination round this won't be and issue.
So then it'll be 1 point for winning, 0 for losing, unless everyone wants to change this and make it 2 or 3 for winning and 1 for losing.
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Jebus
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posted May 13, 2005 04:45 PM |
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But Tigris, I appreciate your comments. I agree with you that the W/L solution is the best one and count the number of wins for ranking, and then in elimination round this won't be and issue.
he man!!! that was my idea!! 
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So then it'll be 1 point for winning, 0 for losing, unless everyone wants to change this and make it 2 or 3 for winning and 1 for losing.
You're organizing, you pick.
The floor beeing open for debate is how this all started.
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Conan
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posted May 13, 2005 05:17 PM |
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Well democracy is the way to go 
So should I change "points" to "number of wins"?
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Jebus
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posted May 13, 2005 05:31 PM |
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Well democracy is the way to go
So should I change "points" to "number of wins"?
sounds good to me!
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Halanna
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posted May 13, 2005 06:17 PM |
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pondering . . .
Can I redeem points for prizes? Enter a lotto? Put them in my green stamp book? (remember those? or am I showing my age, )
I don't care much about points and stuff, I just need to learn the tricks. OTOH, the very first post in this thread does say it's for 'King of the Noobs', so there has to be a way to track wins/losses. I have zero personal preference. I'll just report the losses and you do with it what you will from there.
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Jebus
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posted May 13, 2005 06:32 PM |
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Can I redeem points for prizes? Enter a lotto? Put them in my green stamp book? (remember those? or am I showing my age,
what to be crowned king is not enough for you???
(sheesh... some people are tough to please!!!)
LOL
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Conan
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posted May 13, 2005 06:54 PM |
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ok.
It shall be :
2 points for winning (W)
1 point for loosing (L)
-1 point for not playing
I wanted there to be a difference between not playing and winning, that would act as an incentive to play the games. I also came to the conclusion that 1 point for loosing will not hurt anyone and does not affect the tourney in a negative way. If it motivates players as noted by several members, then it can only be a good thing.
The -1 point will only be givin if:
1) an email was sent and there was no response after a week;
2) an IM was sent and there was no response after a week;
3) there is consent within the active members to do so.
* all the above points need to met to be given the penalty.
Users with 2 games or less will not make it to the finals.
Now if this system does not work, it will be changed accordingly like the fact that the new points template was reflected to what the members wanted.
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 13, 2005 07:24 PM |
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Users with 2 games or less will not make it to the finals.
Now if this system does not work, it will be changed accordingly like the fact that the new points template was reflected to what the members wanted.
Good points, Conan. It's also nice to see that you have decided on a solid framework within which we can have fun and still be competitive. (Your spelling was perfect, by the way )
I look forward to seeing how I do against all of you and how you all do against each other, as well...If anyone's interested, maybe we can start a thread where we can bet "kudos" on who will win against whom and who will finish in first place overall?! Just an idea to add a little more spice to the Tourney...
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tigris
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posted May 13, 2005 07:31 PM |
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well hope this is the end of all this discussion!This thread got really big really fast.How about we make it even bigger with reports from games though
hope everyone is happy with this format and we can get things strated.Once again best of luck to all of you guys! GG and most of all HF!!!!!
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lkru33
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posted May 13, 2005 07:48 PM |
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I agree with Tigris Good luck everyone and have fun!! I'm ready!!
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