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Ashrah - People have the right to believe whatever they wish. Religion is a wonderful thing for so many people in this world.
You are being very disrespectful. Not sure what crawled up your ass. In fact I don't really care what did.
The fact is you need to quit being a biggot. If you can't refrain from making comments like telling other religions to go away, then you take your comments elsewhere. How would you like it if I just told all the Jews to go away, because they don't believe in Jesus.
(Not a christian, but you get the idea)
It's the same thing, now stop being a biggot. People can believe whatever they wish.
The only good arguement you've made, well actually implications in your offensive rants, is that religions should not impose themselves on to other people. Yet like an ignorant fool, you tell certain religions to just go away altogether. So basically you don't want them telling you what to do, but you get offended and tell them to go away because they believe something you think to be preposterous.
Seriously, you need to quit being a biggot (or ignorant, one of the two will do just fine), cause you're arguements are just completely contradicting themselves. If you really had a strong opinion about something, you're arguements would add up to each other and fit. But you are just angry at religion and those who believe in it in general.
Either way it's clear that you think you are much smarter, more sophisticated and just plain better than anyone who believes in religion. Get off your high horse. You aren't so high and mighty. In fact, I'd say your attitude puts you down in the sewers for all I care. I hope you don't act this arrogant and shallow in real life.
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posted April 13, 2007 02:55 AM |
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I don't see how normal religious people are not very wise.
some of the wisest people are religious, or are they not wise by your definition?
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All those religions, wicca, shaman, priest things are prehistoric and need to go away.
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AND PLEASE! How can you believe in afterlife? Damn are you still little children? Well I didn't even believe in afterlife when I was around 4 or something... geez...
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It makes me angry and amazed that some people failed to evolve.
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I'm so happy that people like you believe in god, it proves multiple of my points of religious people being lesser beings in almost everything.
I think you need to apologize for these types of comments. Biggot.
Edit: Also if you think that religion is lacking of wisdom? Then what about all the ethics and morals that it teaches people?
The 10 Commandments was one of the greatest things that's ever been written even if you don't believe it was from God. Assuming that you believe it's only written by a "believer," than how could you say that religious people are not wise?
Religions were founded by perhaps some of the wisest people to ever walk the planet.
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posted April 13, 2007 03:15 AM |
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Well from what I've found found people who grow up with religion and really have bought into it... in general, they are more honest, accepting and heart-felt people. Very warm down to earth people. They are no less wise. They are no less intelligent. In fact I think that them being raised to believe in religion has greatly enriched their lives.
The religious way of life is so much better than the way most people run around ruining their lives. I wish I still believed in God.
What you hate is how people have abused religion, you just don't know it.
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Living a lie is bad.
That's all I have to say to what you typed.
You think life is about being right.
It's not. It about being being good, kind, and accepting to those around you. It's about how you touch the lives of others. And you will live on after death through the memories of those who you touched. I hate to say it, but you'll cut yourself off from the rest of the world, if you go through you're life unaccepting of other people and always trying to prove that you are right.
As long as you think yourself better than others for any reason, you will never be able to truly touch the lives of those around you. And you'll be long forgotten before those who accepted others for who they are.
This isn't even about religion to me. It's about your ignorant intolerances.
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posted April 13, 2007 06:12 AM |
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Does god exist if we do not believe in him?
There are so many different interpretations of the essence of god. To me it is a positive energy that can be in each and every one of us. It is that which drives us to be good, and to care for each other - laws alone are not enough to stop people doing things that they know they can get away with.
This thread has an interesting title.
"I gave up believing in god."
A belief that you had that was discarded through something that happened? A change in knowledge/ attitude?
Beliefs are hard to dislodge once they are a part of us. Unless something happens.
I do not practice any religion - nor was I born into one. I still am not ready to give up on the possibilty of "something", not a man GOD, but "something".
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The mind still boggles, the zen space in my brain whirrs when I think about - how we exist. How does this universe exist?
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posted April 13, 2007 06:44 AM |
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I don't wish to defend Ashrah - but frankly I think that Unhackable's comments about infidels are similarly deserving of disciplinary action. Telling me that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in God is well, downright insulting.
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Ashrah; just a matter of beliefs  Although the clay has some important meaning even in scientifical approach*
Well, I used to study biology, and I've learned about the possible theories of life creation. There are three main theories: "warm pizza", "warm bouillon" and the RNA theory.
"Warm boullion" - synthesis of coacervates created from non-organic compunds created first cells. Coacervates are mixed solutions and suspensions of certain compunds, giving certain colloids.
"warm pizza" - Clay* has strong catalytic properties even in very low temperature: it combines organic compounds, gathering them on it's surface, facilitating the synthesis of polymers; organic ones, too.
"RNA theory" - RNA has enzymatic properties (discovered in 1980s). If RNA could somewhat be created through the processes mentioned above, it could catalyse it's own replication process.
Those things have many weak point, though:
optical isomers in aminoacids have irregular configuration of R and L types ; It cannot be reproduced by any means: everytime, R and L isomers are created in labs in 50:50 ratio. No one knows why the Ls are the majority in "natural" aminoacids. Aminoacids with 50% Rs and 50% Ls have completely different properties. Not only their creation is a problem, but I won't go deeper, since I doubt anyone would understand me anyway ~~
Scientifical talk, duh. I hope I made it clear :<
Btw: I quit biology, it sucks!!!!
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There are lots of good points in religion, it gives beautiful stories that are nice to hear and children can learn much about it, much like the stories of the little mermaid and the lion king, many of those stories hold usefull messages to youngsters. (no this isn't meant sarcastic.)
Actually, stories about a tortured, crucified man aren't the most appropriate, don't you think? 
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The wrong part in religion is that it is still taken serious these days, while the actual creators didn't even intended it this way... Things like the pope, clerics, cutting in penis things, terroristic acts, wars, bush bush, ect.
100% agree, although the religion is merely a lame excuse; if there was no religion, they would explain themselves other way, and still start wars, blow themselves, etc. Don't you think?
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It are stories much like the greek-mythology stories, but while these theories have died out this "god" theory amazingly still stands in these times.
People dream they won't die: they will live forever, love forever, and never suffer again. It helps them to survive the darker days. Whether it's true or false, it still gives strength to ones that need it: just because of that, it's good. Don't you agree?
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Also there are allot of holes in 8ter the bible and religous theories, there are holes in all things.
Yeah, including, science, our lifes, our memory, our personalities.. everything. Bible was never meant to be interpreted word-for-word.. Since it is
a) re-writed a million times, cut, censored, and so on - it can't be logical. THe Popes took care of all the logic 
b) Based on dreams, visions etc. when written (I mean the old testament), so in most parts it hard to understand, or plain wrong. The new one is a bit more clear.
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BTW, there is nothing wrong with your english, can read through it all without any problems.
I meant the scientifical parts; those give me a headache
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posted April 13, 2007 12:46 PM |
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You guys should read the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Addams. It explains A LOT of things about universe...
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posted April 13, 2007 06:28 PM |
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you probably agree that islam-people are not that you speak off as they intent to kill all that oppose religion and such stuff.
That is a very ignorant thing to say. Just because there are Islamic extremists doesn't mean that all muslims want to kill off other religions. As a person who read the Koran I can tell you that it states that muslims should be tollerant of other religions if those religions teach the same things. It explicitly states to not force Christians or Jews to convert because they worship the same God and that Bible and Tora are also a holy books for Muslims.
As for clay Bible doesn't claim that the whole world was made out of clay but rather that the man and the woman were made out of it.
As for scientists that proved that Aryans are the only ones worthy of "human" title. That was done only by a small group of "scientist" and was not generally accepted by most of world's scientific community. And also those "scientists" were often mediocre lab workers and some did not even had Ph.Ds before given incentives and degrees by Nazi party.
Some things that we claim to be part of the religion are actually not but just traditions that spread from the area where religion originated. A lot of those traditions do carry forgotten health reasons that most practioners of the religion today don't know about.
As for the Bible the Old Testament was written by Jews when they were exilled to Babylon before that it was passed down orally and so some discrepencies due to human memeory being faulty are expected plus the influence of the other world's religions that were present in Babylon.
The New Testament the gospels were written after th elife of Jesus Christ at least 40 years after. So the names such as Gospel of John or Gospel of Paul are almost arbitrarily atached to them. The ones that made it to the Bible were the ones chosen by the church as the easiest ones for all the people to understand. The other gospels were more philosophical.
The book of revelations was added even later, that is the reason why some christianic movements do not cosider it to be part of the Bible.
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there is a think tank told to me by a little bird (he is a ex-metalhead who is called falcon) that the idea of one god is true, but it aplies to all deities. this "god" isn't named but is the energy of life. so whatever you want to call him or her, Gaia, God, Allah, he thinks that this energy is all of them and none of them.
i'm sorry if that sounds confusing so i'll try and phrase it differently.
1) there is a force of energy that keeps the universe alive.
2) it is existant in all thinks, be they with or without life.
3) we, as humans, don't want to worship something without a face, so we call it god, gods, godesses, goddess, creator (etc)
4) no matter how many gods we worship and no matter how hard we try and bring it down, it exists and we are part of it.
5) once we die, our souls get reincarnated.
of course, i looked at is as i veiw all religions (with interest). maybe he was right. that still didn't stop me from doing what i wanted, though. so i bid him good-day, picked up fluffy the hamster, and sacrificed him to another myriad of gods.
btw: KD, it may be primitive, but its my choice to be a shaman.
Well shaman is orc/barbarian priest in Heroes, and not a religion. Turn back the christianity! I knoqww what you have done:
You got baptised you at the water in the Temple. You grew up, you became infidel by chosing to be shaman.
No offence (delete this post if it's bad instead giving penelaty for it)
1) Why you decided to be shaman? The priest who baptised you, might was angry.
2) For me you are infidel, oh yes, only becuse you aren't christian.
3) Turn back the side of God, and then I'll stopp callign you infidel/heretic.
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Redsoxfan - What you type is what an atheist believes, that you live on in the memory of "most" of your family, children, friends and such, but your spirit doesn't excist. You only live further in the dreams and stories of others.
That was a wise post, I thought you we're just a religious-goon defending his religion, but your not.
Respect.
Btw you talk about religious-people being kind and acceptable to others, you probably agree that islam-people are not that you speak off as they intent to kill all that oppose religion and such stuff.
No most Islamic people are extremely peaceful people. There are lots of Islamic people in the middle east devoted to spreading peace. I can't remember the particular name of a man I saw on TV in America, but he came on the show and spoke about his campaign for peace in the middle east.
You still haven't apologized to the numerous others you offended btw. And telling me you respect me isn't the way I'm going to respect you.
Religion is based on faith. There's no way to disprove the existance of God, nor are there any good ways in which to prove God exists either. Some of those arguements to prove that God exists are pretty awful. Like the well made banana. This video is pretty horrible, but the arguement behind the well made banana isn't the worst arguement in the world in fact it's reasonably solid. But there are still just as many solid counter arguements. And btw the bottom of a banana opens a lot easier than the top does. But honestly you can't prove or disprove God. But that's another matter.
People have the right believe in God without being told they are stupid or lesser people. Seriously no one here at HC has done you any wrong. You don't have the right to bad mouth everyone who believes in a religion just because you see a small group of people abusing it.
And I'm not Aethiest, if you could call me anything I'm close to Agnostic. And you'll never convince me that God doesn't exist.
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posted April 13, 2007 07:19 PM |
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Well shaman is orc/barbarian priest in Heroes, and not a religion.
where do you think the word shaman came from which was used for the orcs? it came from the spirit worshipers of the native americans. alot of games have used the word shaman to portray a race that its both brutal and noble, like the orcs, for example. the name didn't orginate from heroes, but was used in it.
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Turn back the christianity! I knoqww what you have done:
You got baptised you at the water in the Temple. You grew up, you became infidel by chosing to be shaman.
lol, i was never baptised! my family is mostly atheist, with the exception of me, and i'm shamanic!
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No offence (delete this post if it's bad instead giving penelaty for it)
none taken, i was actually beginning to wonder when you would jump to that conclusion.
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1) Why you decided to be shaman? The priest who baptised you, might was angry.
personal choice. i fell to the idea of worshiping any god i liked, not forcing it on other people, and wearing A REALLY COOL MASK! it also looks great to impress goth girls.
gg:"so, what are you?"
me:"shaman"
gg:"nice!"
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2) For me you are infidel, oh yes, only becuse you aren't christian.
yeah, but you don't have to carry your racial convictions to the forum!
man, many people have been killed because of being so called "infidels". people who call other people infidels are, frankly, ignorant, selfish, narrow-minded bigots who can't accept that other people see the world differently. i know your not one of those people, KD.
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3) Turn back the side of God, and then I'll stopp callign you infidel/heretic.
as the "little bird" has stated, i am worshiping god, in many forms, and using A REALLY COOL MASK! the "right" side is for me to decide, which makes us the wonderful human beings that we are.
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posted April 13, 2007 07:47 PM |
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I really think that misinterpretations of religious texts is the main cause for people saying you are infidels if you aren't Christain.
For hundreds of years, religion was essentially used to gain power. So how can you take any part of religion related to war seriously? Because religion is run by man, who is to say that it wasn't altered or changed in its interpretations?
Unhackable - If you could tell me the exact passages in the Bible that state why anyone who does not believe in Christ is an infidel, please do so. I get the feeling that you don't even know. I've always felt that any of the founders of a religion would be ashamed to see where religion has gone bad. Just think of the wars fought over something as simple as wearing a cross or not wearing a cross.
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posted April 13, 2007 07:52 PM |
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Of course there is no such phrase.. let's skip the lines added throughout the early christianity, and dark&middle ages, obviously.
There is something else, though.. If I can recall correctly"
"the ones that couldn't believe will be judged upon their actions; the rest will be judged upon their faith"
or so. +/-.
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Well I know that's the main basis for Christianity, but how does that make non-believers infidels? Am I just not understanding the correct meaning of infidel?
That passage never states that non-believers are infidels. It just says that they will be judged upon their actions. Where does it say that non-believers are the enemy? My suspicion is that the passage is rather sketchy.
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Where I am sceptic is what bixie really knows about being a shaman is and what part do the rest of the gods play in this. Here's a quote:
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Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spirit world. Its practitioners claim the ability to diagnose and cure human suffering and, in some societies, the ability to cause suffering. This is believed to be accomplished by traversing the axis mundi and forming a special relationship with, or gaining control over, spirits. Shamans have been credited with the ability to control the weather, divination, the interpretation of dreams, astral projection, and traveling to upper and lower worlds. Shamanistic traditions have existed throughout the world since prehistoric times.
Shamanism requires specialized knowledge or abilities.
Do you have any specific knowledge or an initiation or are you just saying you are a shaman?
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@RSF:
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God does exist.
Big statement.
Care to elaborate?
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Does god exist if we do not believe in him?
There are so many different interpretations of the essence of god. To me it is a positive energy that can be in each and every one of us. It is that which drives us to be good, and to care for each other - laws alone are not enough to stop people doing things that they know they can get away with.
This thread has an interesting title.
"I gave up believing in god."
A belief that you had that was discarded through something that happened? A change in knowledge/ attitude?
Beliefs are hard to dislodge once they are a part of us. Unless something happens.
I do not practice any religion - nor was I born into one. I still am not ready to give up on the possibilty of "something", not a man GOD, but "something".
I don't suppose that God's existence would be affected by our beliefs so much that we could disbelieve him out of existence..
And nothing really happened to stop me believing. I believed when I was a child, when everything was idealistic. I even made plans to pray every night, read the bible, secure me a good spot up there in heaven. That was probably the only reason I was doing it. Selfish? That's the whole point of Christianity, no? 
Then I grew up and sort of became 'enlightened'. I realized how ridiculous the whole thing sounded, I learned alot more about how the world works, and how there is no place for a god here. Looking at the stories and the fundamentals of Christianity I could see why and how it happened, and why people believe in it, which is exactly why you still wish to hold on to the idea of some purpose to our meaningless lives
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I think you need to apologize for these types of comments. Biggot.
Ashrah is stating what she believes. Alot of religions speak poorly of people of other religions, it's the basis of religious belief. This is Ashrahs. People don't have to apologize for saying "I believe in god, believe what I believe or some red dude will stick a burning poker up your ***" so Ashrah shouldn't have to apologize for saying that people who don't believe as she believes are primitive.
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I don't wish to defend Ashrah - but frankly I think that Unhackable's comments about infidels are similarly deserving of disciplinary action. Telling me that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in God is well, downright insulting.
It's actually pretty funny, his posts. 
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acutally, religion provides a solid base for most laws.
think of all the stuff in most constituions and laws, in britian, holland, belguim, germany, france (most of europe). fundalmental laws like "murder is a crime" and "theft is a crime" is derived from the ten commandments "thall shalt not kill" "thall shalt not steal". people may not use their religion as exact laws, but we use them as a base for most of our rules in modern society.
Don't be ridiculous man, religion didn't invent that killing and stealing was bad. These are basic morals that people have accepted and used it laws.
People didn't think that killing innocent people was GOOD until Moses came along. He just gave them another incentive not to.
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AND PLEASE! How can you believe in afterlife? Damn are you still little children? Well I didn't even believe in afterlife when I was around 4 or something... geez...
They need something to keep them going when times get tough, need to believe that everything will be all pink and fluffy in the end, after all this.
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posted April 14, 2007 04:23 AM |
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Thanks for you reply TA
Don't you ever wonder how the universe came to actually exist? Why/ how does anything exist?
I know that gods have/are been used to expain that which we have no answers for - maybe this is just another of these times...
I can understand people being agnostic - but proving there is no god is just about as impossible as proving there is one.
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