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I do not think there is any religion, especially catholic which we are slaves.
William you're just trying to defend religion, shunning the idea of it's association with slavery purely because you think of slavery as a negative idea, so you reject it without even thinking about it.
An orthodox Catholic MUST:
Have no sex before marriage
Use no contraception
Attend church and pray to their leader
etc.
This could be termed as slavery.
The only difference is in the severity of what they have to do, and that (some of them) can choose to stop..
No, I am just saying, because I am religious, that we are not slaves, slaves can be good or negative, that does not matter to me at all.
But, who are we slaves to?
Slaves to God?
I doubt it, we believe in God, and I believe we kinda 'worship' God in a way (any other word better to describe this), but I do not think we are slaves to God.
I was not really intending to say that Slaves are negative or whatever, I was not thinking of that at all.
I am just clarifying that any religion, we are not slaves.
Ashrah, how would you know if we are or not?
Sure, you may have read it or whatever, but you are not religious, or so it seems you are not religious, because you hate religion so much, I do not think you can say that we are slaves, are at least imply it 
Is that a better clarification?
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posted April 08, 2007 03:35 PM |
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I am evangelic. I will never give up belivign in god! I won't become infidel! I am religionus!
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posted April 08, 2007 03:58 PM |
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Intelligence and religion doesn't go togheter in my book. You can say all you want but i'm very stubborn when it is about religion and christanity.
You are totally wrong here.
Average intelligence quotient (known as IQ) of religious people is higher than the intelligence quotient of Ateists.
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posted April 08, 2007 04:03 PM |
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where is the proof!! 
Where is the proof that we do not live in an illusion, or that this "real world" is not another dream? or probably this text you're reading is just your imagination?
Proof = to 'see' with your 5 senses..
so what? does that mean something our senses can't 'see' doesn't exist?
in math there are 'rules' that we follow. believe it or not, some of them 'cannot be proven' by mathematics (since they "form" the basis), but are instead proven by 'human logic' (infinity, as an abstract idea, is also human logic, by the way).
Does that mean there is no other better 'math' out there.
Picture yourself in a 8D world.. can you?
by the way, the fact that you cannot see 'proof' of something is called faith. And last I heard, believing in God is called faith, so.. no need to prove anything 
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No, I am just saying, because I am religious, that we are not slaves, slaves can be good or negative, that does not matter to me at all.
I doubt it, we believe in God, and I believe we kinda 'worship' God in a way (any other word better to describe this), but I do not think we are slaves to God.
I was not really intending to say that Slaves are negative or whatever, I was not thinking of that at all.
Sure, you may have read it or whatever, but you are not religious, or so it seems you are not religious, because you hate religion so much, I do not think you can say that we are slaves, are at least imply it
That sounds confused enough
Slavery can be good? Sure, for those who have slaves to serve them! 
'Kinda' worship? What do you think is the point of a religion? Worship of course and following the religion's tenets.
And sure she can imply it because she can still see some things from the outside. However I doubt she means slaves literally, rather not free to do some things on your own. And as I see the parts mentioned(Have no sex before marriage, Use no contraception, Attend church and pray to their leader) ARE limiting one's personality and are imposed upon the believers.
Still saying we are slaves to God is going too far William! But some church representatives would love that, be sure of it!
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posted April 08, 2007 05:08 PM |
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The part about "imposing" limits (i.e otherwise you sin) with (Have no sex before marriage, Use no contraception, Attend church and pray to their leader).. well, why don't you add (Don't kill anyone) as well? Surely I am a slave if I am not allowed to kill someone Also, that is called sin (to kill of course), but is it different than the others? From a sining perspective, both are sins
Also evil and good are natural "balances" of the world (dunno if that's a good word for it, but hey).. So when you do whatever you wish to have fun, you are being evil in probably many ways which you do not understand.
(The following example is not about Religion or God, so it has no references to that).
When you are a slave of someone you don't like it. When you slave something, you like it.. If Aliens enslaved us, would we dare to say them that we they are demonic, or evil, or whatever?? don't we do the same things?
again that had nothing to do with God or religion.
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posted April 08, 2007 05:40 PM |
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Average intelligence quotient (known as IQ) of religious people is higher than the intelligence quotient of Ateists.
Prove it.
Also, IQ is not everything. You can have a high IQ and be deluded just the same.
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posted April 08, 2007 07:15 PM |
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I am evangelic. I will never give up belivign in god! I won't become infidel! I am religionus!
Haha you are the living proof of that LOL!
And intelligence?? What noncence is that?
It's about wisdom here. And christians/other religious leaders made up that test to confuse people with those religious lies of that religious people are smarter than atheist/non believers cuz that is totally wrong.
You can be good in maths and languages but you can have a hazy view in truth and life non the less.
*Bingbingbing!*
and in the red corner we have the atheist queen, ASHRAH
(cheers from the atheist crowd)
and in the blue corner, adam couldn't take him, UNHACKABLE
(cheers from the fundalmentalist crowd)
now will give me a cheer for this match to start
(we see the empty stands as nobody really cares about the contest)
listen KD, most of us who aren't evangelical take offence at being called infidels, especially shamans who have suffered enough! pack the preaching rubbish in  !
And Ashrah, just because he types very fast and he makes a few typos doesn't mean he is a complete retard. Also, people chose what they want to believe, let them be religious, just as much as they let you be atheist! Imagine once your dead, you actually find out there is a heaven and god says "you've been a bigot for atheism, ashrah, atheism i don't mind, as it isn't doing anything bad, but bigotry i do, satan has a lovely spike for you to sit on!"
Stop it, let people believe what the hell they like. If you don't want to believe in god, fine. If you do, fine. If, like me, you believe in several gods, along with the universal spirit, fine. If you want to believe that the universe simple happened and we do what the hell we like, fine. Whatever it is, JUST DON'T FORCE YOUR IDEALS ONTO OTHER PEOPLE! WHY? BECAUSE YOU BECOME NO BETTER THAN THE THING YOU ARE TRYING TO STOP!
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posted April 08, 2007 07:25 PM |
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Actually atheists believe in something: that there is no God, that they know everything and can prove anything (and if it can't be proven, it doesn't exist). Plus they like the idea of being the ones which do what they want (i.e nothing is "above" them).
How do you know we are not merely some computer-AIs in a virtual world created by some unknown creatures in an unknown world (because obviously this world would be a virtual world in this case, just like we represent games in virtual worlds with polygons instead of atoms and different things). in short kinda like virtual-virtual-world.
You can't know.
Can you know why is murder a sin? Or why a sin is a sin? Or why this, or why that?
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posted April 08, 2007 07:49 PM |
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well you have a point there.
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posted April 08, 2007 08:48 PM |
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Evangelic are christian, it's one of the cgristion religions, like catolic, protestant, ortodox, etc...
I think the most of us are christians too...
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I am evangelic. I will never give up belivign in god! I won't become infidel! I am religionus!
listen KD, most of us who aren't evangelical take offence at being called infidels, especially shamans who have suffered enough! pack the preaching rubbish in!
Evangelic are christian, it's one of the cgristion religions, like catolic, protestant, ortodox, etc...
I think the most of us are christians too...
you don't know that, KD. for all you know, you and fortress 2 could be the only christians here, and i only know his religion from his sig (Christian and proud, bit of a give away)
calling all other religions infidels is very offensive to them. We (shamans) don't go round calling people infidels to my knowledge.
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d is going too far William! But some church representatives would love that, be sure of it!
No, what I was asking was more of a question, not a fact, man my post was confusing!
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posted April 09, 2007 04:00 AM |
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Well, I am an atheist. You can call me an infidel if you wish.
Of course, such a test in Israel is bound to be biased. However, atheists there wouldn't be put to death.
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posted April 09, 2007 05:22 AM |
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It was pointed out right that people should not force others to beleive something just because they beleive it. You can reason, you can debate but at the edn its the person choice in the matter.
There are huge number of relgions in this world and all of them are different. Which one is right? Who knows maybe all.
Mongols back in the days of their empire used to say that God gave different religions to different people and one should not interfere with that.
Choosing not to beleive in God is the person's choice. I am not religious partially because I know too much about different relgions so it is hard for me to choose, but in the end one should respect other people's religions.
For in the end I believe as long as you do not commit evil acts you will be fine because most of the religions do emphisise that.
I know people who say that they are living proof that God exist. They are religious and they are succesful, some after they joined a religion were able to overcome things they could not before. My opinion is that if that works for you do it.
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where is the proof!!
Where is the proof that we do not live in an illusion, or that this "real world" is not another dream? or probably this text you're reading is just your imagination?
Proof = to 'see' with your 5 senses..
so what? does that mean something our senses can't 'see' doesn't exist?
in math there are 'rules' that we follow. believe it or not, some of them 'cannot be proven' by mathematics (since they "form" the basis), but are instead proven by 'human logic' (infinity, as an abstract idea, is also human logic, by the way).
Does that mean there is no other better 'math' out there.
Picture yourself in a 8D world.. can you?
by the way, the fact that you cannot see 'proof' of something is called faith. And last I heard, believing in God is called faith, so.. no need to prove anything
actually you can prove with maths that theres like a 99% chance that we do live in a computer simulation.
but that's irrelevant
and you can't just make something up, call it 'faith' and say this is an excuse, despite the idea itself being completely unreasonable and rediculous... like the boogeyman.
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Actually atheists believe in something: that there is no God, that they know everything and can prove anything (and if it can't be proven, it doesn't exist). Plus they like the idea of being the ones which do what they want (i.e nothing is "above" them).
How do you know we are not merely some computer-AIs in a virtual world created by some unknown creatures in an unknown world (because obviously this world would be a virtual world in this case, just like we represent games in virtual worlds with polygons instead of atoms and different things). in short kinda like virtual-virtual-world.
You can't know.
Can you know why is murder a sin? Or why a sin is a sin? Or why this, or why that?
hahah... what?
Athiests believe they can prove everything?
Says who?
Maybe some do, but that's nothing to do with them being athiests...
Athiest = don't believe in god
End of story.
And you can't know that we're not in a computer simuation, no, but that doesn't mean that we ARE. You have to use common sense and reasoning to determine whether or not we are, whether or not it is beneficial to believe that we are, and whether or not it can affect us in anyway (and hence may be ignored, agnostic)
Sin is a religious term.
You can tell whether something is morally wrong or right, but only from your perspective.
But theres not some guy tallying up whether what you do is right or wrong from a general perspective, and seeing whether it ticks over a certain point and even if it does just say sorry and its all good
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Stop it, let people believe what the hell they like. If you don't want to believe in god, fine. If you do, fine. If, like me, you believe in several gods, along with the universal spirit, fine. If you want to believe that the universe simple happened and we do what the hell we like, fine. Whatever it is, JUST DON'T FORCE YOUR IDEALS ONTO OTHER PEOPLE! WHY? BECAUSE YOU BECOME NO BETTER THAN THE THING YOU ARE TRYING TO STOP!
Would you mind elaborating on what gods and spirits you believe in, and why? Is it because you just thought it sounded like a good idea? Or did someone tell you? Sorry, that sounds like a harsh thing to say but I can't see why else you'd believe in polytheism, and that's just putting it bluntly..
I'm not accusing or anything I'm just wondering.
And I've noticed that people tend to think that athiests, in stating that they know that there is no god, are in someway trying to impose this on others. They may be saying that all religious people are wrong, true, but religious people are saying that all athiests are wrong too...
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Well, I am an atheist. You can call me an infidel if you wish.
Of course, such a test in Israel is bound to be biased. However, atheists there wouldn't be put to death.
I doubt its biased, I think it's just pure chance. It could have easily gone either way, taking the average like that just doesn't work. Take the census again in a century, or see the results 200 years ago or whatever it would be completely different. It's just whos alive at what time..
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No, I am just saying, because I am religious, that we are not slaves, slaves can be good or negative, that does not matter to me at all.
But, who are we slaves to?
Slaves to God?
I doubt it, we believe in God, and I believe we kinda 'worship' God in a way (any other word better to describe this), but I do not think we are slaves to God.
I was not really intending to say that Slaves are negative or whatever, I was not thinking of that at all.
I am just clarifying that any religion, we are not slaves.
Ashrah, how would you know if we are or not?
Sure, you may have read it or whatever, but you are not religious, or so it seems you are not religious, because you hate religion so much, I do not think you can say that we are slaves, are at least imply it
Is that a better clarification?
No, you just totally misunderstood what I said.
A slave:
n. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.
Yes, slaves to god, slaves to religion, whatever.
Slave isn't the right word, literally meaning a person who is the property of the master, but the case is similar..
If you believe that people are slaves to religion, that is.
Not everyone who believes is.
Only the orthodox ones, the people who fast, pray many times a day, do things that no one would want to do.
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Hey! You are british! And british people are protestants! Are you infidel! Belive in the only god!
hey, i may be british, but i CHOOSE to be shaman. the offical religion of britian is protestant (we are not infidels!) but there are thousands of religions in britian that have to be taken into acount. thats why its so hard to make jokes without offending people in some way. but my choice is to be a shaman, even though most of my friends is atheist (and their cool with what i believe).
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Would you mind elaborating on what gods and spirits you believe in, and why? Is it because you just thought it sounded like a good idea? Or did someone tell you? Sorry, that sounds like a harsh thing to say but I can't see why else you'd believe in polytheism, and that's just putting it bluntly.
I'm not accusing or anything I'm just wondering.
i mainly believe in nature deities, but i pick and mix ancient religions. i have Gaia for mother earth, the Four protectors for different aspects of the human physce, elements and so on. i also have toutatis as the god of bravery, loki as the god of trickery, thoth as the god of wisdom and ishtar the goddess of creativity. i also have some comedic gods, like Squisha, goddess of run-over animals ("oh gods, what did i hit?!").
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And I've noticed that people tend to think that athiests, in stating that they know that there is no god, are in someway trying to impose this on others. They may be saying that all religious people are wrong, true, but religious people are saying that all athiests are wrong too...
(although some do to try to enfore their beliefs)
its the way it has been and always will be. sometimes the atheists get the upper hand, like today, and sometimes the religious get the upper hand, like 500 years ago.
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posted April 09, 2007 02:37 PM |
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i mainly believe in nature deities, but i pick and mix ancient religions. i have Gaia for mother earth, the Four protectors for different aspects of the human physce, elements and so on. i also have toutatis as the god of bravery, loki as the god of trickery, thoth as the god of wisdom and ishtar the goddess of creativity. i also have some comedic gods, like Squisha, goddess of run-over animals ("oh gods, what did i hit?!").
Why though?
What makes you believe in them?
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posted April 09, 2007 02:44 PM |
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KD why do you believe in god?
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KD why do you believe in god?
I beliving in god, becuse I want to get to the Heaven. If yo stopp beliving in god you will never get to Heaven, you will get to Hell than. For me (no offence) you are an infidel becuse you don't belive in god. We have only one God. He let's to the Heaven the people only who belives in god. Belive in god!
EDIT: Bixie? Are you a shaman? Shaman sounds sooooooo primitive!
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