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posted May 30, 2009 11:05 AM |
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You mean the Universe is pulled out by gravity? I don't really get it though -- that would be one possible theory but can it predict more than current theories? (not that it would be more complicated, if you ask me "dark matter" is also 'complicated' or more complicated than necessary -- Occam's Razor and all that).
I said instead of gravity. The force pulling our universe apart is diffusion.
Dark matter is like religion. An invisible mass shaping our world . Modern physics get a lot of their ideas from religion. It's very sad
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posted May 30, 2009 05:09 PM |
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Dark matter is like religion. An invisible mass shaping our world. Modern physics get a lot of their ideas from religion. It's very sad
Well, I agree about dark matter being a "fill-the-gaps" addition to our current theories instead of modifying the theories themselves. My opinion is that there is also negative energy, as per the FULL equation of energy, which gets simplified with a square root to E=mc^2, but square roots have 2 solutions, negative and positive...
"Gravity" happens because positive energy attracts positive energy, and repels negative energy. By the way, negative energy is invisible, because we cannot detect it directly.
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posted May 30, 2009 09:01 PM |
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Modern physics = religion/politics
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Well, I agree about dark matter being a "fill-the-gaps" addition to our current theories instead of modifying the theories themselves. My opinion is that there is also negative energy, as per the FULL equation of energy, which gets simplified with a square root to E=mc^2, but square roots have 2 solutions, negative and positive...
"Gravity" happens because positive energy attracts positive energy, and repels negative energy. By the way, negative energy is invisible, because we cannot detect it directly.
As I said. Physics is like religion. But it's also like politics. Always people say: "my opinion is...". So do I. I still believe more in my diffusion theory, than yours. There can be made arguments for every theory, which means, that we never will know the truth. I hate CERN and what they are doing, because they don't know what will happen. They only have a weak hypothesis built on our theories from modern physics.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:17 AM |
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On a different but related subject:
This is the Bible Belt - the most religiously devout region of America. Now look at some statistics:
(Bachelor's Degree - higher is more)
(High School Diploma - higher is more)
"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7:16-20 
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posted June 04, 2009 05:22 AM |
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So there are a lot of bad things that correlate to heat and humidity?
What are the last two green maps? There is no legend.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:50 AM |
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I apologize for the off-topic, but:
Does anybody else find it just a tad disturbing that the teen births map's source is the CDC?
I wonder what they're attempting to insinuate.
@Bina: I think Mvass wrote that above the maps. I assume greener is better.
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posted June 04, 2009 06:00 AM |
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He edited the map with the headings. And I'm too lazy to log in so I didn't edit my post.
The CDC basically tracks just about any kind of medical statistic. That includes births, violence and a host of other things that require some sort of medical attention. In other words, not just diseases.
(CDC = Center for Disease Control in the US)
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posted June 04, 2009 06:41 AM |
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Considering I took Clinical Bacteriology, I should've known that...
*sneaks away from thread*
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posted June 04, 2009 09:24 AM |
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My dad and I got home the science magazine "Illustrated Science" yesterday. There was an interesting part about religion been caused by evoloution.
I will translate some parts and this is the introduction:
"Since the oldest cultures religion has been an aspect of human lifes, and this has suprised many evoloution-biologists. How can you explain that religious humans choose to sacrifice so much time aswell as energy on religious events, that seemingly have no biological gain? The last years research has given a possible answer:
WE ARE CREATED TO BELIEVE"
then the article compares a deers behaviour with the behavior of jews (sounds strange when I translate it xD).
Waste of Energy?
"Suddenly a deer jumps high in the air, seemingly without purpose. Why did the Deer do such a unescessary act for a waste of energy? With its jump, the deer shows that it has a huge overload of energy and reveal directly to the predators that it is impossible to catch."
Waste of Time?
"Jews pray in a synagogue. Religious jewish men waste a couple of hours a day for prayers - time that could be used to work. How this be a gain biologically? Because the men show that they follow a common moral rule and are worty to trust."
Its hard for me as a 13-14yr old to translate a science magazine meant for adults
But the article basically means that religion is a biological gain because it binds together the society to a social unit or something like that.
It also says that people find religious persons more trustworthy then others, and religious persons are more careful about doing "moral errors" because they have a invisible force watching them - and know that they could either be rewarded or punished.
I also found it funny that islam and christianty etc claims to be ancient religons when they in fact, compared to Buddhism or Hinduism or even Norse/Roman/Egyptain/Greek mythology, are very young religions.
Every day two new religion are formed, most die within 10 years. The most popular religions today are also very young and appeals to us because it in many cases fits our views on society etc.
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posted June 04, 2009 09:27 AM |
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Mvass, are you saying that christianity is bad for you? ^^
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posted June 04, 2009 01:05 PM |
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Many people take the bible and its stories for granted. They think that hell is a flaming space with the devil(insert man with evil smile and fork in hand) inside it who tortures the ones who committed sins to the rest of eternity. vise versa heaven is a place full with beautiful light and grass, flowers other nice people that live in harmony. Not to mention that you go to one of these places "after" you die.
Specially its bad when the people who want to spread their religion are the ones of this kind.
Heaven and hell are just states of ones mind or his spirit. As the human became more aware of himself and the right and wrong the more complicated his personality became. Therefore it became difficult to chose whats right and wrong and even the question whats the meaning of life arose. Trough many religions in the past you can notice a core moral code of behavior. The point was to enable one to gain mental pleasure by seeing others going for the same goal as he is thus gaining somewhat a state of heaven in their mind. Otherwise when the rules weren't obeyed, punishments were invented so that the state of heaven wont be disrupted so the path to state of hell wont be open.
Everyone pursues state of heaven for their mind, be it religion, certain job, hanging with friends, playing PC games  etc. Sometimes we even collide with other people intentions, and may even need to free up some of our heaven territory for gaining another heaven state(be it our friends, family members or even the world).
The point of religion in my opinion is to make the heaven state as massive as possible for individual and the group. Many customs enable spreading the heaven feeling even after someone passed out. Imagine what would be of humans if we didn't have funeral. Certainly people would start care less about others and keep the personal heaven state for them alone.
So it should be like if you obey to the customs of the religion you would go to heaven? Every human is individual and everyone should look and do the custom-behavior that fulfills them. For everyone there's a different path to go in heaven and hell, some groups that share the similar path decided to have the same religion that's all there is to it.
The more we focus on the heaven the more we gain, but its a pleasure from time to time to step out from the road a "bit" to know and show that we are in control of ourselves.
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posted June 04, 2009 03:43 PM |
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Mvass, are you saying that christianity is bad for you? ^^
I think that he is saying that there would seem to be some kind of correlation between christianity, hillbillies and bad things.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:39 PM |
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Of course, correlation does not imply causation. I think one would find that all of the above are caused by poverty - teen birth rates, graduation rates, and fundamentalist religion. But religion is part of the culture that prevents them from rising up and becoming more prosperous.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:49 PM |
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oh, when Elodin reads that, he is going to have a few words to say.
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posted June 04, 2009 05:59 PM |
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See if you can find similar figures during the 1800s, when the socioeconomic differences were just a great as they are now but the "degree of religiousness" differences may not have been. Then you might be able to start making some real conclusions.
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posted June 05, 2009 01:47 AM |
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Of course, correlation does not imply causation. I think one would find that all of the above are caused by poverty - teen birth rates, graduation rates, and fundamentalist religion. But religion is part of the culture that prevents them from rising up and becoming more prosperous.
No, that's the fault of capitalism
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posted June 05, 2009 03:05 AM |
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Oh, come on. The laws are pretty much the same regarding that everywhere in the US.
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posted June 05, 2009 03:11 AM |
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I didn't mean that. I meant that in capitalism as a whole. I don't use correlations with area but the whole of US for instance. Of course some things are bound to be a lot 'poorer' (metaphorically) than others under capitalism. The fact that it's the SE of the US is just how it happened to be.
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posted June 05, 2009 05:49 PM |
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I didn't mean that. I meant that in capitalism as a whole. I don't use correlations with area but the whole of US for instance. Of course some things are bound to be a lot 'poorer' (metaphorically) than others under capitalism.
That's not true at all. And if you're suggesting that the South is an "exploited" area - at least most "exploited" areas produce something useful. What does the South produce besides hillbillies?
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posted June 05, 2009 05:54 PM |
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Gumbo?
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