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DragonLord3000
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posted September 30, 2006 05:13 PM |
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War-Overlord,are Dam,Barrier and Reef candidates for the naga town name?
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 05:49 PM |
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I know Naga's arent swamp dwellers but we're making something new here. Let's not try to follow what everyone else does. And the reason I rather not use the ocean or sea is simple... BLIZZARD took the idea first. Conservatory is where u take animals on the verge of extinction and try to repopulate them. So it sounds silly trying to put that as the name. And who cares what the lizardmen look like in HoMM3? We're making new lizardmen here. So many creatures for heroes 3 look like sh*t but look awesome in heroes V like the gremlin, lich, zombie, djinn, hydra, i could go on and on. I was hoping that the Water Dragon would look more like the basilisk for Harry Potter. We could call it water wyrm or something like that. Dragon Turtles have no potential as far as abilities go. And they look ugly. Well unless u cant think of a concept that blows my mind...
As far as the naga's appearance goes, some may have snake for hair, some may have 2 arms, 4 arms, each unit will be different. They are not swamp dwellers per say. the lizardmen are. they live beneath the waters of the swamp where they make their Gungan-like civilization. under water. lizard on top. naga below.
Ok here's a story idea. wizards made lizardmen. the lizardmen ran away. they met the naga who took them under their wing. in return the lizardmen work for them and the naga protect them. is that feasible?
The water dragon shouldnt be a caster. all level 7s are powerhouses. Lets not make the water dragon any different. besides the Naga Queen should be the caster.
And lastly i would prefer not to use oversized sea creatures like giant crabs and krakens solely because they would be much use on land.
Here's a possible line up:
1. Cuaotl - Winged snake. Flyer.
2. Lizardmen - Armed with javelins. Shooter.
3. Naga fighter- 4 arms. No Retaliation. First Strike.
4. Basilisk - A lizardman riding a top a basilisk (giant turtle could work but i would stick with basilisk). Large creature.
5. Beholder ?? - Flyer. Shooter.
6. Naga Queen- caster. Petrifying Gaze.
7. Water Wyrm - giant snake-like dragon (aka basilisk from harry potter 2). Said to be the children of the water dragon god. Large Creature. Trample (deals damage to all creatures it passes by). Divine Presence (+1 morale to all creatures if this creature is present)
This is just a baseline. Any ideas or improvements?
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 30, 2006 06:46 PM |
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How about a level 5 caster,making the naqa queen a powerfull melle unit.
Level 5: Drake\Death summoner
Won't look special..be like 1 hex sized with evil eyes,and blue color,cool creast and pearls around it's neck.
Then Naqa's Queens would retake their former glory and with this new graphic and in 3D.....
For naga level 6:Naga princess\Naga queen
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War-overlord
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posted September 30, 2006 07:08 PM |
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As far as town-names go, I fear that sanctuary is out, because sanctuaries are already map-objects. So are Aquarium, Temple, Guild, Dam, Reef, Barrier, Observartoy or Conserve/Perserve. Mostly because most make no actual sense (yet) or refer to the sea.
I support the Swamp idea and a town that breaks the watersurface.
As far as the Story goes; it is never stated that Lizardmen are created by the Wizzards, many beastmen are created but Lizardmen are never mentioned. But we will discus that later.
I agree that the Level 7 should be a Dragon, because the Naga are probably worshippers of the Dragon of water. I mostly envision them as Enormous, winged, Sea-serpents; much like Leviathan from Final Fantasy(IX in particular).
Here a possible creature line-up. Names are mainly for the purpose of describing the units a bit, nothing more.
1 Lizardman infantry- Lizardman advanced infantry
2 Lizardman archer - Lizardman iceshard archer
3 Naga viper warrior - Naga cobra warrior
4 Lizardman crocodile rider - Lizard Basilisk rider
5 Naga Katana wielder - advanced Katana wielder (the Naga swords of DMoMM resemble katanas)(heir to the original Naga of the Previous Heroes)
6 Naga Caster- advanced Naga Caster (doubles as shooter)
7 Serpent Dragon - Frost Serpent Dragon
This line up, expresses the close bond between the Naga and the Lizardmen. Still this is realy prototype line-up.
I also like the idea of Lizardpeople riding Basilisks, but since we're using a swamp theme (which is more workable than an ocean-theme) I think that the Basilisks should be close to crocs and I'm sure that I could come up with a plausible link between them. I also prefer not to use a cuaotl because it would resemble the level seven to much. I also prefer not to use Beholders, don't get me wrong I like Beholders very much, but I see no connection between Naga and Beholders. Besides, beheolders are a complete race of their own in most fantasy and I feel that they would be placed wrongly under the Naga as they are extremly intelligent, but cruel and xenophobic creatures.
As for Naga in DMoMM, it is know that the Protagonist (forgot his name) can use their katanas, it is however not known if they will actualy apear in DMoMM as far as I know.
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 30, 2006 07:14 PM |
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How about coral?Or better yet pier?
These two sound very sea-like.
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Sindbad
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posted September 30, 2006 07:28 PM |
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Do what you want, but please, here are the things I see is a must-to-be:
 deffinetely no Lizardmen!
town name Conservatory
swamp background (with clear deep water; buildings under water in Atlantis style; I can draw this if need)
I will try to draw a naga to show you how it should look
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 07:34 PM |
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Edited by SBlister at 20:05, 30 Sep 2006.
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I like the way you think War-Overlord. The croc to basilisk upgrade is very nice. Woah... Leviathan from FFIX is awesome. Do you have a good pic to post so everyone else can take a look at it? Yeah the beholder makes little sense to be added in with the naga. But we do need another flyer. I disagree with ur level 2 unit. I think we should put the lizardmen as a level 1 shooter. we need to come up with a different level 2 unit. possibly a flyer of sorts. So its a swamp town then... awesome.
Here are some Town name suggestions: Nexus, Enclave, Promontory, Refuge, Bayou, Cabal
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actionjack
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posted September 30, 2006 08:18 PM |
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Remove on request since it is not "perfect"
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 08:22 PM |
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Nice work action jack but i think we're moving towards a swamp town. and most of your creatures cannot survive outside the water which would make them unsuitable to facing the other factions who battle primarily on land.
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War-overlord
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posted September 30, 2006 08:25 PM |
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You've made a nice town Actionjack, but we're making a Naga town, not a mermaid one. I suggest that you refacilitate this town to a thread of your own. It deserves to be discussed in private and it's kinda in the way of thsi discussion.
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How about coral?Or better yet pier?
These two sound very sea-like.
It seems I've failed to make clear that we're avoiding the Sealike names. We need Swamplike names.
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Do what you want, but please, here are the things I see is a must-to-be:
deffinetely no Lizardmen! Sorry, they are in
town name Conservatory This name makes no sense. It has no connection to the Naga whatsoever
swamp background (with clear deep water; buildings under water in Atlantis style; I can draw this if need) First of all, swamps should have rather murky water and Atlantis style doesn't realy fit swamps
I will try to draw a naga to show you how it should look That is only a matter of opinion, still you can post it, but we guarantee nothing
Here is the best pic of Leviathan from Final Fantasy IX:
Anyway, I have to disagree in putting a level 1 lizardman shooter. There are already 5 level 1 shooter and that's more than enough. I could agree that level 1, 2 and 4 lizardmen would make the Lizardmen a bit over represented, but the last thing Ashan needs , IMHO, is another level 1 shooter. I think we should keep the Lizardmen as level 2 shooters and come up with a new level 1. Perhaps we could use snakes as a level 1. Something like Python - Anaconda.
Personally I don't see the need for another flyer. We already have a level 7 flyer, but if you guys have a good idea I'm open for suggestions.
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actionjack
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posted September 30, 2006 08:28 PM |
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Nice work action jack but i think we're moving towards a swamp town. and most of your creatures cannot survive outside the water which would make them unsuitable to facing the other factions who battle primarily on land.
Its my own version... so take it not as suggestion to add on to the "perfect" work, but just a possible alternatives.
Also most of the creature will be Amphibian, and not really a fish out of the water. The magic will keep them alive.
Of couse, that is why their stats are not very good, unless the hero get the flooding level up. The creature and the hero are very link in this faction.
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 08:31 PM |
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Though I'd still go with a level 1 lizardman shooter, perhaps we could come up with some kinda level 1 flyer and lizardmen could be pushed to level 2. i think there should only be 2 lizardmen-esque creatures... the croc rider and the basic lizardman. You forgot to mention if you like any of the town names i suggested.
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actionjack
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posted September 30, 2006 08:41 PM |
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War-overlord
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posted September 30, 2006 08:42 PM |
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Here are some Town name suggestions: Nexus, Enclave, Promontory, Refuge, Bayou, Cabal
Again most make no real sense at the moment. Though I must admit the I don't know what Promontory means. Bayou would make sense, but that's just a different name for swamp. In that smae line, Bog and Marsh would also be in the race. Still I think we can come up with a better town name than this.
SBlister, would you first explain to me why we would need a second flyer before we start to in- and exclude some creatures. And like your comment, you didn't say anything about my snake suggestion.
actionjack, I kindly request you to move your town to a thread of your own. It's not that we won't listen to any comment or suggestions, but it's rather an obstacle in the discussion. Like you said, it's not directly related to this discussion.
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actionjack
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posted September 30, 2006 08:47 PM |
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By the way.. whats the Hero/racial special ablity?
The creature and racial ablity should work hand-in-hand with one another.
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 30, 2006 08:48 PM |
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Can it be named swamp?
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War-overlord
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posted September 30, 2006 08:52 PM |
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By the way.. whats the Hero/racial special ablity?
The creature and racial ablity should work hand-in-hand with one another.
That has not been decided yet; but we're open for suggestions.
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Can it be named swamp?
Preferably not, swamp is not a decent name for a town IMHO. It does not relate to any race or civilisation.
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 08:59 PM |
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A promontory is basically like a cape. I like the name Enclave but I'm sure there's a better name out there. And its definetaly not conservatory. Why we need a second flyer? Most of the towns have 2 flyers. With the exception of Dungeon, Fortress and Inferno. Take a look at this creature:
I'm sure it could make it as a third level flyer. I rather have a low level flyer like a level 1 flyer and push the lizardman to level 2 or a level 3 and push the naga warrior to level 4.
Snakes as a first level creature would be too plain and they would have no real special ability except maybe poison which i would rather not use again. Well adding the flyer will not obstruct our line up because as of now we have only 6 creatures:
1. Level 1 - Lizardman
2. Level 2 - Naga shooter
3. Level 3 - Naga warrior
3. Level 4 - Basilisk Rider
4. Level 6 - Naga Queen
5. Level 7 - Water Wyrm
Here's an image for the lizardman:
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actionjack
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posted September 30, 2006 09:53 PM |
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I will go with the Inca/Mayan theme... with swamp/jungle backdrop
for creatures, my pick will be:
Level 1 - Serpent Fly /Dragon Fly (Flyer)
Level 2 - Skinks /Chameleon Hunter (Shooter)
Level 3 - Lizardman /Lizardman Temple Guard
Level 4 - Salmander Rider / Basilisk Rider
Level 5 - Coluatl/ Rainlord (Flyer)
Level 6 - Naga Priestess /Naga Queen (Caster)
Level 7 - Uname
the level two creature will be more like a smaller lizardman, that use spear or bola or blow pipes.
The level 7 creautre still unsure of, but I am thinking a large, slowmoving "Swamp-thing" like creature, with vines and vegeations all over his body.
They have lots fast moving flyers and rider in their line up, which promote a fast striker strategy to quickly tie up their enmeies back line. The stats be more of having a decent defense and initative, but not so greate in attacks.
Hero ablity might be something like Ritural Sacrifice, allow them to sacrifice their own creature, or creature of their enemy, to please their "gods", to gain addtional powers. Also could work into a battle field ablity, which allow them to gain extra power with more creatures they kill.
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SBlister
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posted September 30, 2006 10:07 PM |
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Level 1 - Serpent Fly /Dragon Fly (Flyer)
Level 2 - Skinks /Chameleon Hunter (Shooter)
Level 3 - Lizardman /Lizardman Temple Guard
Level 4 - Salmander Rider / Basilisk Rider
Level 5 - Coluatl/ Rainlord (Flyer)
Level 6 - Naga Priestess /Naga Queen (Caster)
Level 7 - Uname
Excellent line-up. I would make some adjustments to your list:
Level 1 - Serpent Fly /Cuoatl (Flyer)
Level 2 - Skink /Chameleon Hunter (Shooter)
Level 3 - Naga Temple Guard/ Naga Templar (First Strike)
Level 4 - Sentinel/Champion (Enraged/Petrifying Gaze)
Level 5 - Naga Priestess/ Naga High Priestess (Caster, Shooter)
Level 6 - Naga Archon/ Naga Grand Archon (No Retaliation)
Level 7 - Water Wyrm/ Water Dragon (Flyer,Trample/Divine Presence)
I love the whole Mayan/ Incan idea as a backdrop for the Naga race.
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