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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 26, 2001 10:02 PM |
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hmm4 monsters
I've seen for the first time the images of the new monsters to come in hmm4.Has anyone seen the vampire? It's apalling!
i'll say only this: can anyone imagine a man dressed in a suit and clean shoes on a battlefield among the dragons and titans?Can anyone picture a satyr or a leprechaun retaliate against a hydra attack?...I don't think so.
One more thing: where are the pegasy? Or the griffins? I'm not saying let's kep'em all, but please, please, let's not replace strong mythological monsters with technology and impotence on the battlefield of might and magic!
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted October 27, 2001 05:15 PM |
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Well, of course a leprechaun or a satyr isn't going to be able to retaliate against a Hydra - they're low level creatures! What you're saying is that they should just get rid of all the low level creatures; the same thing could be said about Centaurs or Dwarves or Gremlins.
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 28, 2001 12:01 PM |
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You got me wrong.I'm not talking about battles between different levels of creatures.The problem is that the creatures that you've mentioned (dwarves, centaurs, etc.) are by definition warriors (some even fierce ones).I'm speaking of IMAGE. I can't agree to place some happy and peaceful fellows as we know them from mithology to figth ranked wariors.It's simply not in their nature!
I insist on another issue, though, as a vampire-fan.What do you think of the new "hi-tech" image of them?
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted October 28, 2001 01:28 PM |
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That's why leprechauns tricks and cast those funny clover spells. They have specialized in other things than hand-to-hand fighting... The satyr is not weak at all, and will probably be a good fighter and maybe summon other creatures to aid it in battle...
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 28, 2001 05:41 PM |
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Again i am misunderstood.Of course some of the creatures will fight hand-to-hand or cast spells (as the leprechaun) would do).What i insist upon is the IMAGE ! You can't place the FUNNY leprechaun to fight FEARSOME creatures, even those of level 1 as the Skeleton Warrior and Dwarves. I say again: the game as a whole gives a chilling image of battles between different rases and FUNNY spells and FUNNY leprechaun don't fit in the images of those ancient times (again I'm talking only about combat scenes - you can place him if you want at the mill, mistical garden, tavern, etc.)
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Darion
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Famous Hero
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posted October 28, 2001 06:36 PM |
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3do has a really bad sense of humor perhaps.. I think what you mean is that the trickster leprechaun does not belong as a unit because leprechauns aren't fearsom fighting creatures like sprites right? I think that 3do wants to be original and new and innovative, so that is why they are replacing the strong mythological creatures with new "fantastical" ones.
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted October 28, 2001 08:39 PM |
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...I don't believe that any of the traditional fantasty creatures have been or can be copyrighted, so unless the case it brought before court, anyone has the right to change them however they choose...
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cerebral_user
Hired Hero
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posted October 28, 2001 09:23 PM |
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Vlad is right
Have you even read what he had to say? No matter how weak a creature is, it must look dangerous, or it damages the atmosphere(remember HoMM1?)
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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted October 29, 2001 12:34 AM |
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i disagree...
so ur saying that faerie dragons in h3 looked FEARSOME???!!!
or even the sprites...
in heroes 1, NONE of the creatures looked fearsome...
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 29, 2001 01:18 AM |
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Thanks, cerebral_user, finally there's someone who agrees with me. Indeed, that's exactly the thing I was talking about...the atmosphere requires warriors to look fearsome and who doesn't fit in the description (like the leprechaun, and others) must step aside.
And in response to someone (i'm sorry i didn't get his name) who mentioned sprites and faerie dragons : who said they pass as warriors?
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 29, 2001 01:32 AM |
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Quote:
3do has a really bad sense of humor perhaps.. I think what you mean is that the trickster leprechaun does not belong as a unit because leprechauns aren't fearsom fighting creatures like sprites right? I think that 3do wants to be original and new and innovative, so that is why they are replacing the strong mythological creatures with new "fantastical" ones.
Well, sprites suck too as warriors...perhaps i'm quite accustomed to them, that's why they seem to me less "friendly".I can understand the bad sense of humor of the 3do, and even yours when you're ironic.You know, they could be innovative also by introducing a tank in the game (and they almost did it with the dragon golem).The talent behind the original makes the difference.
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted October 29, 2001 06:46 AM |
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I will wait and see abiout the rest...
...BUT vamps really suck  ...as a vamp fan I can't stand their new looks... this is a Dracula b movie rip off... even the HoMM2 vamps were cooler (BLAH!!!) than that...
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nernug
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 29, 2001 09:19 AM |
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I totally agree that some creatures take away the feeling of a bloody battle.
But the worst unit must the vampire. Just look at him! A guy in a suit! I thought this was a medieval based fantasy game. That vampire is gotta be like a 19th century vampire. 800 years to early!
Someone please send a vampire count book to 3DO and NWC!
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted October 29, 2001 12:08 PM |
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Having creatures which looks fearsome is not desirable unless the creature has a reputation of being fearsome. The creatures are used as symbols to represent a force.
You're trying to turn Heroes into a war-simulator of blood and gore, at the cost of good taste and graphics. (Not to mention that they may slap an age label of strictly adults only on the game if you have your way with a "feeling of a bloody battle". Aren't there a zillion games already where you can have a "bloody battle", without having to propose to introduce it in the Heroes series?
When it comes to vampires, they originally looked very much like the vampire model and this original image have then been used extensively. I've seen many depictings of Vampires like this one and in things I've read vampires have a certain 'chivaleric' style in their evil ways. Dressing up nicely therefore befits the vampire. The Heroes 3 "vampires" are not recognizeable as "vampires" it degrades them to mindless killers without any sense of evil style. It's one thing to be charming and a despicable killer and quite another to be only a despicable killer.
Heroes already mixes up different ages, mythos and geographic locations in their beastiary. There's not one time and age common to all creatures, so why make such a requirement on the Vampire? Some creatures are probably products of the designers and have never existed at all before they were invented in the heroes series.
Some creatures are medieval, but many others are not so you're not going to find a common link there. I somehow doubt that any of the creatures in the Heroes 3 Necropolis were part of medieval fantasy (except perhaps the Zombie) and if you want a medieval game then the consequence of that is to remove the Necropolis town altogether. Oh and why not take away all the greek and arabic influenced creatures too. They're not medieval. **grumbles** Are you trying to ruin the game??
And I'm sure white shirts and black shoes have existed for a very long time.
The vampire picture is cool and one of the best looking models. Stop whining and enjoy the graphics instead!
Let the monsters have some character instead of trying to turn them into a boring collection of images.
Lith: The dracula way of depicting a vampire is a classic one and there's absoloutely nothing wrong with it.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 29, 2001 01:02 PM |
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Vlad, although we are both vampires, and although I hate the vampire in Homm4 myself, I disagree with your point that Leprechauns can't beat a titan or something. Let's say a Leprechaun fights a Black Dragon. Even in real life, of course the Black Dragon will win! But my point is, a leprechaun won't fight a black dragon. leprechauns would.
To me a leprechaun doesn't look that fearsome, and would generate no threat in a combat scene. But you are forgetting quantity. If you have lets say 5000 leprechauns, it may look weak because they are leprechauns, but you are forgetting quantity. As a matter of fact, no single creature can beat leprechauns, if you have 5000 of them. Get the idea?
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Dragons fight, dragons kool, dragons win, dragons rule! (Darn, I'm a vampire...)
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Thunder
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Famous Hero
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posted October 29, 2001 05:51 PM |
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Nosferatu
Actually Heroes 3 vampire have Nosferatu look (which is classic too). While Heroes 2 and 4 have Dracula look.
I personally like more of Nosferatu look. It looks more realistic and more medieval
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 29, 2001 07:41 PM |
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I think it's worth noting that alot of your comments seem to be based on the enlarged pictures which really have little relation to the small pictures. The small leprechauns look just like little humanoids who happen to be wearing green clothes. No reason they look like they should be any weaker then say goblins.
As for vampires, if mages can wear their nice robes on the battle field, why shouldn't vampires be able to wear nice clothes?
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vladpopescu79
Promising
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a vampire of taste
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posted October 29, 2001 10:06 PM |
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Thunder was right, the vampires of hmm 3 are nosferatu-like, thus fittable in the whole picture. The dracula-type is not apropriate, because indeed vampires have always have looked smart, and yes, white shirts have been with us since long, but: 1) smart looks represents even the image of vampire lords of the hmm 3(take a closer look if you don't believe me, they're quite elegant in that robe)
2) have them wear a white shirt, but not butterfly bow and patent-leather shoes, these outfits are clearly XX-th century products! Same thing if you had them wear camouflage suits, get it?
Now the other issue, the leprechauns. You're right that we have to think also in terms of numbers. But that doesn't aply to all creatures. let me explain myself: first, to war will go only the creatures who want to fight, and i bet that leprechauns are as peaceful as a hippie ( imagine them wishing to fight in Vietnam!), so don't place a creature where it doesn't WANT to be ! On the other hand, a great number of skeletons will overpower always a hydra, for example, while hoards of leprechauns with no weapons - it's clear they fight by spells - will have a hard time trying to overrun a dragon.And that because it's clear, you can't have them cast fighting-spells,but as someone stated, they're good with funny-spells!
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MANE, TEKEL, FARES
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vladpopescu79
Promising
Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted October 29, 2001 10:20 PM |
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Hey, no one wants to turn heroes in a bloody fighting game with blood flowing all directions! But war means battles and those mean blood! If heroes is all about war (and it surely is) then expect blood and death.
That's right that heroes mixes up different ages, but let's have a closer look: now, what are the "black holes" of the history as we now it? They are two: the mythical times and the dark ages. We don't really know how things went then , so mixing those two doesn't create discordances.It's ok having a knight fight a unicorn, for example. Another thing is when you mix up one od these two ages with one that you know very well and is close to you, e.g. modern history.
The well dressed gentleman (the vampire) represents the modern history interfering with dark ages. No can do, sorry.
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 29, 2001 10:20 PM |
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What makes you think leprechauns don't want to fight? If every week some hero came stomping into my garden and mugged me for either my gold or gems, I'd damn well be pretty interested in fighting and taking it back.
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