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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted June 20, 2008 11:26 AM |
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As Ves hates unfruitful dicussions I propose to widen the map list to, let's say, 13 (the number must be odd). In other words - the longer the map list, the less dispute about any particular. In this case, both players get 6 stike-outs and the 1 remaining map is the game map. Ves, I sincerely hope you are satisfied with "YES" regarding this issue from other emperors 
About players... indeed, if someone doesn't confirm explicitly his participation then the place is forgone in favour to the next runner-up. We need a deadline from Ves...
If Sq and Mordaunt are silent, Jinxer might be this runner-up or receive a wild card.
Anyway, Ves, my only plea that I feel strongly about is the map list. Majority or all support it as well. Concerning rest of the issues I'll comply with your final decision without further objections.
P.s. I'm available for resuming playing from July 3rd.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted June 20, 2008 05:08 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 17:09, 20 Jun 2008.
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Tournament maps:
Dragon Hill
Master of Disguise
Ashes and Sands
Hourglass
Battlezone
Rat race
Dead Man's Lake
Battle for Honor
Random XL(under)-Huge(No under)
-Dragon Pass ( needs removed )
-Heritage of Deleb ( needs removed )
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Well I agree that having a maps list and strike out is a good idea... But I still disagree with the bottom 2 maps. Dragon Pass is a CD map. CD maps are no where near the multiplayer quality of a player made map so it should not be in the list. And HOD is just plain and simple to small of a map. Even if players want a fast game option that is just to silly small.
So I officially would give my ' YES ' to the top 9 maps on the list. That is an odd number... each get 4 strike outs and will play the last remaining. Less is better... Makes MORE strategy in striking and map choice.
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted June 20, 2008 05:51 PM |
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I support Ves` suggestions in general.
One thing though - i think, as most others, we should have an official map list to be able to peacefully decide the 3rd map, or all 3 maps if that is better, through e.g striking out, and to eliminate the possibility for one player to find an unknown map from an abyss somewhere to play.
I vote for the inclusion of Forgotten Kingdoms which is one of my defininete favourites (possibly Lets Fight also, but no big deal, its a bit too long). Agree that Dragon Pass should be thrown miles away from the list.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted June 20, 2008 06:32 PM |
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I vote for inclusion of all the maps players insist on as long as number is odd. Mathematically length of the list makes no difference as players can always strike out what they don't like. But advantage of a big list is that we dont have to argue about it!
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted June 21, 2008 07:57 AM |
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Go ahead and make a list then, of the maps you'd like, and we can make a mutually comprehensive list of this stuff. I prefer to get Caesar matchups rolling by July 1st. Take note however, I'm taking off to the Bugatti factory in Molheim, France tomorrow, so I might be out of touch for a week.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted June 21, 2008 08:01 AM |
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Oh yes, I might as well state it here, there is a few players, namely the Demon Hunters clan, who I am finding somewhat dishonorable types.
ie. When they win a clan game, they report it normally, but when they lose a clan game, they either delay their report, or do not report it as a clan game -- as if somehow I will miss the win report of their opponent. Its just not cool, and immature.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted June 21, 2008 08:39 AM |
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I'll be back for easy slaughtering if required Haven't played a single game for months + noob in tote  ..
I'm ok with all rules, and all maps, maybe it should be make known 1-2 weeks before start ?
Fraudatio suggestion of no ring of speed + staff of netherworld combo is really cool, only 1 can be used, i really support this rule.
Let elit and strider thrash out the rules first 
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted June 21, 2008 09:45 AM |
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Quote:
Fraudatio suggestion of no ring of speed + staff of netherworld combo is really cool, only 1 can be used, i really support this rule.
I will always suggest this rule, and then its up to my opponents to agree or not
New map for the list! : Dragons Cape! Don`t know why i forgot it in the first place.
Tournament maps list(new suggestions by me in bold):
Dragon Hill
Master of Disguise
Ashes and Sands
Hourglass
Battlezone
Rat race
Dead Man's Lake
Battle for Honor
Random XL(under)-Huge(No under)
Dragons Cape
Forgotten Kingdoms
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted June 21, 2008 09:55 AM |
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Quote:
Go ahead and make a list then, of the maps you'd like, and we can make a mutually comprehensive list of this stuff. I prefer to get Caesar matchups rolling by July 1st. Take note however, I'm taking off to the Bugatti factory in Molheim, France tomorrow, so I might be out of touch for a week.
Superb! Both about the map list and Bugatti  Guys, throw in your ideas about the contents of the list. And don't be bothered with arguing about unsuitability or silliness of some particular map as you can always express your opinions by striking it out.
Nice to see you back, Sq Btw, the course of discussion and Ves decision have already determined that mostly there will be "no rules". Current situation in official rules is following:
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1. Play-off right away with random pairings.
2. Series are played till 2 victories (perhaps till 3 in finals).
3. The map for each game is chosen by mutual agreement or gradual striking out from "the map list".
3. Game settings are full random if not agreed differently.
5. There are no rules in the game unless agreed differently.
6. Game reporting system must be used for each game (as agreed by all)
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Of course, players can invent any additional rules they want for their pairing. Personally, I'll always offer my opponent:
1. to use the TOH MOD,
2. Kispagat's random generation method,
3. No mirror, no Wyngaal,....
One remark though - if the 3rd game is necessary then the higher ranked player chooses the color (in first two games it should be in turns). I guess at least this little thing could be granted or there is no point in the relative ranking system at all
Bottomline - we should stop arguing about any of the above and concentrate on drawing up the map list.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted June 21, 2008 03:46 PM |
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for the record... I'm working on a new map "Art of War" and I'm pretty sure I gonna finish that map in time!
(size 96*96, with underground)
not that I gonna compete in that toruney... but I may be able to participate with some of my maps....
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 21, 2008 05:15 PM |
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In that case people could have some blind games, not bad.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted June 21, 2008 05:24 PM |
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In that case people could have some blind games, not bad.
yes that was my plan Elvin... maybe I can ask you for a "test drive" later.... to see if the map is any good...?
(but I got alot of work left... but I'm working atleast
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 21, 2008 05:31 PM |
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Sure I'll be around to take a look.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted June 22, 2008 12:06 AM |
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grr... 96X96 is that Small map? Seems DragonCape / Rat Race type maps is what the future of TOH/Heroes is destined for... sigh..
On a positive note... Fiurs maps are always good... so that leaves some hope.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 10:17 AM |
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I'll be back for easy slaughtering if required Haven't played a single game for months + noob in tote ..
O,ye whatta noob
I presume you are preparing in your secret HQ for the Ceasar. If you need someone to teach u some new tricks, try me, master!
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 11:42 AM |
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Does the previous Caesar get a wildcard ?
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 12:38 PM |
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Quote:
Quote:
I'll be back for easy slaughtering if required Haven't played a single game for months + noob in tote ..
O,ye whatta noob
I presume you are preparing in your secret HQ for the Ceasar. If you need someone to teach u some new tricks, try me, master!
Always looking to be educated
After the last slaughter by elit, i didn't run h5 in my computer anymore
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 03:46 PM |
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Always looking to be educated
After the last slaughter by elit, i didn't run h5 in my computer anymore
Well, here is my strategy to Ceasar:
You will crush Elit first, than you destroy Strider and in the final you make 3 suicides against me.
Easy, is not it?
Thanks God, H5 is a strategic game, and as anyone can see from above, I am good at planning
Btw I survived 9 loss from Elit without erasing h5 from my computer
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 05:09 PM |
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whoever he will play with, he's gonna suicide at least once.
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 23, 2008 06:41 PM |
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I really can't see the reason ,why is everybody so scared of Elit, he plays just above the average
Now please include in the map list stated above the map : "Dueblo" - really good map, don't know why so many people haven't tried it. Insatiable's maps are always good and fun to play.
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