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revolut1oN
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posted August 21, 2014 10:57 PM |
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Monere, holy crap, you don't even know how does Azure Dragon look and you are big headed enough to argue with the player who plays heroes for many many years, has tons of experience and much deeper knowledge than you will ever have. Man, be a little more humble next time and stop repeating your bullsnow all over and over again when it is clearly false for everybody who got past easy matches vs comp, especially for experienced tournament players...
That being said, AA > AB definitely. Both in 1vs1 (which is useless btw and I dont know why would anybody waste time for such worthless tests) and in general use. Also if creatures from banks are allowed to be upgraded you can have much more AAs than ABs.
Also, your logic is childish. You belive that AA wins vs AB in 1vs1 because of some test (with false result also) made long ago and you wont change your mind because you WON'T TEST IT NOW???
REALLY?
Sooooo... you probably don't belive that the Earth is round, because it seems to be flat from your point of view, huh? Don't bother replaying, I won't even read that (came here by accident) since big headed, grumpy noobs are not the kind of people I like talking to  No offense, but almost all your posts in this topic are harsh and can be considered rude, so I won't even bother to read next one.
Peace
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 21, 2014 11:40 PM |
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argue, hmm... sounds too harsh. Let's say we just share opinions
As for the rest of your comment, well, if you won't come here to read it why should I bother replying?
Peace to you, too!
revolut1oN said:
Monere, holy crap, you don't even know how does Azure Dragon look and you are big headed enough to argue with the player who plays heroes for many many years, has tons of experience and much deeper knowledge than you will ever have. Man, be a little more humble next time and stop repeating your bullsnow all over and over again when it is clearly false for everybody who got past easy matches vs comp, especially for experienced tournament players...
That being said, AA > AB definitely. Both in 1vs1 (which is useless btw and I dont know why would anybody waste time for such worthless tests) and in general use. Also if creatures from banks are allowed to be upgraded you can have much more AAs than ABs.
Also, your logic is childish. You belive that AA wins vs AB in 1vs1 because of some test (with false result also) made long ago and you wont change your mind because you WON'T TEST IT NOW???
REALLY?
Sooooo... you probably don't belive that the Earth is round, because it seems to be flat from your point of view, huh? Don't bother replaying, I won't even read that (came here by accident) since big headed, grumpy noobs are not the kind of people I like talking to No offense, but almost all your posts in this topic are harsh and can be considered rude, so I won't even bother to read next one.
Peace
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 12:06 AM |
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Sal said:
1 sprite will lose to one pikeman but with 20 pixies you can win battles you could not with 500 pikemen
Didn't u swaped the names here?
I can imagine high speed, no retaliation Sprites beating thousands of zombies (if it's a custom battle where they are all mashed in one stack) but I don't see any way of making pixies behave so much better then pikeman.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 06:37 AM |
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i'll stop ****ing around and post my top 10 favs:
1. power lich
2. azure, crystal, rust dragons are all tied for second.
3. black dragon
4. wyvern monarch
5. greater basilisk
6. phoenix
7. vampire and vampire lord
8. cerberus
9. dendroid soldier
10. pixie
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Sal
Famous Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 07:06 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
Didn't u swaped the names here?
Ah finally someone who reads carefully.
Of course I messed with names. Fred's nude pixies made me slip.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 07:14 AM |
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Sal said:
Of course I messed with names. Fred's nude pixies made me slip.
sorry about that. they can be distracting. 
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted August 22, 2014 06:01 PM |
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@monere
Ok, that's your business. But I don't understand, why did you ask for comprehensive answer then?
Btw. have you checked out the might and magic series? If you want to see a game where Behemoths truly rules over Angels, then I suggest Might and Magic 7.
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 22, 2014 06:42 PM |
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Heard about the game but never played it. I'll get and play it now though. Thanks for the tip
OhforfSake said:
@monere
Ok, that's your business. But I don't understand, why did you ask for comprehensive answer then?
Btw. have you checked out the might and magic series? If you want to see a game where Behemoths truly rules over Angels, then I suggest Might and Magic 7.
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted August 22, 2014 09:18 PM |
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You're very welcome! ^^
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Graenfur
Hired Hero
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posted August 23, 2014 11:52 PM |
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Edited by Graenfur at 23:54, 23 Aug 2014.
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1) Horned Demons and Efreet Sultans are both number one for me.
 
2) Mighty Gorgon
3) Cyclops King
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Buji
Known Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 02:09 PM |
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monere said:
Until further testing (or until proven otherwise) I will stick with my opinion, sorry.
Tested it just for fun:
1 AA vs 1 AB, no Skills (neither primary nor secondary), no Spells, Spirit of Oppression (for morale purposes), no other Artifact:
AA won 5 out of 5
Tested 1 Titan vs 1 AB too (with same settings): Titans won 10 out of 10 (5 with waiting and shooting when in range, 5 with shooting before the AB's first turn)
So by your standards for best unit ingame (and - with due respect - 1vs1 battles are completly irrelevant in terms of strength) the AB is not even the second best unit let alone the best
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 02:33 PM |
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Buji said:
the AB is not even the second best unit let alone the best
Yak, yak, yak... As obvious. For as much as people say the game is unbalanced the easyest to build and cheaper to buy level 7 creature would never be the best, like the easyest and easier to get on large numbers level 6 creature is also a weak one. Developers had a good idea of what they were doing, so good in fact that we are still playing this game and still finding new limitations and tricks to use them.
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 03:01 PM |
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So I was wrong then. Oh well...
Buji said:
monere said:
Until further testing (or until proven otherwise) I will stick with my opinion, sorry.
Tested it just for fun:
1 AA vs 1 AB, no Skills (neither primary nor secondary), no Spells, Spirit of Oppression (for morale purposes), no other Artifact:
AA won 5 out of 5
Tested 1 Titan vs 1 AB too (with same settings): Titans won 10 out of 10 (5 with waiting and shooting when in range, 5 with shooting before the AB's first turn)
So by your standards for best unit ingame (and - with due respect - 1vs1 battles are completly irrelevant in terms of strength) the AB is not even the second best unit let alone the best
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heroes_player
Known Hero
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posted August 25, 2014 04:39 PM |
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I think comparing 1vs1 is really really and really useless testing because everything depends on the whole battle force! The units also have secondary skills which they can't even use at 1vs1. For example, archangels can't use resurrection against behemoths in 1vs1 which is one of the strongest ability in the game ever, lol  . Also, you never have only one unit in your battleforce, it's very likely to have mixed units too... 
As for strongest units, I think every units who have something secondary skills can be considered as strong in general, it just depends on the situation. Many players consider vampire lord's drain ability as great ability ever. But in some situations even wraith's spell points draining is the key to the victory where vampires could be useless...
As for my favourite units... well I have a lot of them. I think efreet is good choice for me because when I was noob and played with inferno against AI, well they were the only units which survived and won the game for me. At that time they really were much stronger than I had ever thought 
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Doomhammer
Known Hero
Smasher of pasties
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posted September 17, 2014 12:31 AM |
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I love Archangels and Mighty gorgons.
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8882
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 04, 2014 02:34 AM |
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Rated by the fact that I like them, not exactly power:
1. Beholder
2. Medusas
3. Dread Knight
I also really like Minotaur Kings; I think you can guess my favorite town.
Other units:
Pikemen
Storm Elementals
Crusaders
Vampire Lords
Nix
Titans / Black Dragons
Azure Dragons
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crimsonSoldier
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 06, 2014 04:37 AM |
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monere said:
So I was wrong then. Oh well...
Buji said:
monere said:
Until further testing (or until proven otherwise) I will stick with my opinion, sorry.
Tested it just for fun:
1 AA vs 1 AB, no Skills (neither primary nor secondary), no Spells, Spirit of Oppression (for morale purposes), no other Artifact:
AA won 5 out of 5
Tested 1 Titan vs 1 AB too (with same settings): Titans won 10 out of 10 (5 with waiting and shooting when in range, 5 with shooting before the AB's first turn)
So by your standards for best unit ingame (and - with due respect - 1vs1 battles are completly irrelevant in terms of strength) the AB is not even the second best unit let alone the best
Spirit of Oppression is an advantage to AB because +1 morale of AA is its counterpart towards AB's 80% defense reduction (along with resurrection). If AA get morale, it gets a second attack without retal.
However you are not entirely wrong because the outcome of the matchup depends on the heroes anyway. A level 1 Tazar with AB should beat level 1 Tazar with AA. Since the 80% reduction and AB's 50 hp advantage increases in significance as both heroes gain defense skill (as opposed to hero with 0 primary skills). Level 20 Tazar AB will crush level 20 Tazar AA of course.
On the other hand, level 1 Hack with AB will lose to level 1 Hack with AA on average( unless AB consistently scores 55+ base damage every attack). As both heroes gain attack skill, AB gains more advantage because its base attack is low, hence every point gained benefits AB more than AA.
I just started playing HOMM3 again so I apologise in advance for offending anyone with my newbie-ish post. My favourite creature is definitely the GE
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 06, 2014 08:39 AM |
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I knew it that I wasn't entirely wrong
Cheers!
crimsonSoldier said:
monere said:
So I was wrong then. Oh well...
Buji said:
monere said:
Until further testing (or until proven otherwise) I will stick with my opinion, sorry.
Tested it just for fun:
1 AA vs 1 AB, no Skills (neither primary nor secondary), no Spells, Spirit of Oppression (for morale purposes), no other Artifact:
AA won 5 out of 5
Tested 1 Titan vs 1 AB too (with same settings): Titans won 10 out of 10 (5 with waiting and shooting when in range, 5 with shooting before the AB's first turn)
So by your standards for best unit ingame (and - with due respect - 1vs1 battles are completly irrelevant in terms of strength) the AB is not even the second best unit let alone the best
Spirit of Oppression is an advantage to AB because +1 morale of AA is its counterpart towards AB's 80% defense reduction (along with resurrection). If AA get morale, it gets a second attack without retal.
However you are not entirely wrong because the outcome of the matchup depends on the heroes anyway. A level 1 Tazar with AB should beat level 1 Tazar with AA. Since the 80% reduction and AB's 50 hp advantage increases in significance as both heroes gain defense skill (as opposed to hero with 0 primary skills). Level 20 Tazar AB will crush level 20 Tazar AA of course.
On the other hand, level 1 Hack with AB will lose to level 1 Hack with AA on average( unless AB consistently scores 55+ base damage every attack). As both heroes gain attack skill, AB gains more advantage because its base attack is low, hence every point gained benefits AB more than AA.
I just started playing HOMM3 again so I apologise in advance for offending anyone with my newbie-ish post. My favourite creature is definitely the GE
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted November 06, 2014 01:01 PM |
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It's no secret the higher hero stats the better the AB becomes compared to its peers as long as we assume standard primary skill development (e.g. no 1 1 12 10), because AB ignores 80% of defense.. so for equal stats, for every 5 points of def you get, the opponent only gets 1 point against this specific unit.
However, in my opinion, the main reason the AA are better than the AB is because of the speed stat. Only when you've very few units, high level heroes, no spells, and probably other far out stuff, you'd see the AA lose to AB.
In a real battle no one wants to get hit by the AB obviously, they're by far one of the most powerful units in the game. I simply think there are a lot more things the AA can do, and you need really high level heroes, before equal stacks of AB can defeat equal stack of split 1/1/x AA (because the main AA stack gets 2 non-retal attacks in before the AB gets its first attack, since two AA strikes removes 51% health of the AB stack, it basically halves the AB stack before the AB gets their first attack).
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crimsonSoldier
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 06, 2014 04:46 PM |
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I consider AAs superior personally 
I'm just playing with numbers now- if both heroes has 31 A 70 D something stupid happens!
AA (30/30) -> (61/100)
AB (19/19) -> (50/89)
When AA attacks, (61- 89) = -28 so the maximum damage reduction is applied.
When AB attacks, (50- 0.2 * 100) = 30 so the maximum damage amplification is applied.
AA takes 20 hits to kill the AB, while AB takes 2 to kill the AA
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