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posted March 27, 2010 08:23 AM |
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And that the people in religion are normally to blind to see anybody elses point of view, and the people out of religion are too blind to think they may be wrong. I wish I had the blind faith either possess.
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posted March 27, 2010 08:35 AM |
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This is exactly what extremism is all about, so be carefull!
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posted March 27, 2010 09:04 AM |
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That goes for people who have extream faith that there is no god also..you know that right?
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posted March 27, 2010 09:52 AM |
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Not true. Having no god means, you don't follow any "strange rules" and there is no one who makes strange "demands".
For example, you can't go on a killing spree, eradicating all infidels, IN THE NAME OF THE GOD. Meaning, there is no absolute authority.
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posted March 27, 2010 10:35 AM |
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Again, you are confusing the people in a faith with the faith itself. Some people will use ANY excuse to kill..they just choose religion as that excuse. However, not what I was talking about at all. Not even close.
What I do mean is that there are people who absolutely no faith in any god or that all religion is bogus..that they will not listen or even consider to anything other then that fact. IE BLIND FAITH. The inability to believe ANYTHING other then what they believe is true.
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posted March 27, 2010 11:29 AM |
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Oh, right, I forgot:
If someone is yelling extremist unfounded nonsense, you can't call it so - after all, it might happen to be true. Therefore, if you do, you yell extremist unfounded nonsense as well.
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posted March 27, 2010 11:38 AM |
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That goes for people who have extream faith that there is no god also..you know that right?
I repeat for the 27th time: Agnostics: Don't care about any upper being.
And btw...this typical Elodin argument you are using is the same as saying: People who watch football every day are football extremists. And those who do not care about football, are non-football extremists.
I guess you get yourself how weak this argument is.
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posted March 27, 2010 11:49 AM |
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Again, I might as well be speaking Martian I guess. Not worth it to bang my head on this wall, so have a nice day.
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posted March 27, 2010 03:07 PM |
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angelito, people who would never agree to watch football really are non-football extremists.
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The inability to believe ANYTHING other then what they believe is true.
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posted March 27, 2010 03:11 PM |
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I guess Mytical has the ability to believe in something he believes is false? 
joking. Whatever, I think that the topic of extremism isn't really worth covering here..
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posted March 27, 2010 05:14 PM |
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I repeat for the 27th time: Agnostics: Don't care about any upper being.
And for the 27th time, this is not true. Look it up.
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posted March 28, 2010 10:44 AM |
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I guess Mytical has the ability to believe in something he believes is false?
joking. Whatever, I think that the topic of extremism isn't really worth covering here..
Nah, Mytical just isn't egotistical enough or blind enough to think that Mytical has all the answers. Or that the human race has for that matter . Hey I am happy for the people who are so convinced of what they believe that they don't question it.
Either "Hey, might there be something out there that we can't YET understand that might be a more powerful, spiritual being or beings?"
Or "Hey, maybe this here book (scroll, religious wrightings) might not be THE answer to everything." (Or even if it is, that whoever/whatever wrote it might not still want them to seek out answers ANYHOW.
More power to them. Me, I just don't have that blind faith that I can't be wrong. In fact, since I know I am human, and I realise how little we actualy KNOW the chances are I am wrong and somebody (on either side) IS right. Until I am 100% sure, I will continue to question everything. Like .. why is red ... red .. and not xfewvf?
Oh and edit : If this doesn't apply to you, great. Fantastic. Wonderful. Then the post isn't about, address to, or concerning you. No need to post "But hey, I am not like that." that is assumed.
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posted March 28, 2010 10:57 AM |
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I repeat for the 27th time: Agnostics: Don't care about any upper being.
And for the 27th time, this is not true. Look it up.
And likely for the love of something: An agnostic would say "How would I know?", but tecnically its correct to say they don't care.
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posted March 28, 2010 11:40 AM |
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believing in, is not false or true, is just believe...
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posted March 28, 2010 03:47 PM |
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Either "Hey, might there be something out there that we can't YET understand that might be a more powerful, spiritual being or beings?"
And that has exactly what to do with god/gods and/or religion?
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To make this a little bit clearer:
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Whether the meaning centers on a deity or deities, or an ultimate truth, religion is commonly identified by the practitioner's prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things, and is often interwoven with society and politics. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws and ethics and a particular lifestyle.
This is from Wiki. The thing with religion is, that the specific faith isn't just a revelation of some truth about things - it, or more specifically, the deity or deities, are said to DEMAND something: a cerain way of life, tribute, sacrifice, worship, obedience, and so on. The god/gods take a very personal interest in things and watch out that humans are behaving. He/she/they either want you to do or not so this or that or at least you can sway them to look favourably on your enterprises, when you humour them with prayer or sacrifice.
"There may be some spiritual force out there, somewhere, that we cannot understand, yet, let alone detecct", isn't religion - if we can't understand it, there are no demands either, and if someone believes in that, this someone may try to contact or link with the spiritual force, but that's not different from trying to contact the deseased, when trying to assess whether this is a religion. It may be a very personal belief with very personal experiences, making it a personal faith even - but it's no religion. No service, no temples, no prayers, no worship, no sacrifice, no morals, no demands...
If that WAS religion, we wouldn't discuss this - or we would, probably, but in a very different spirit.
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Logically, if a religion combines a "creation myth" with a personal interest and a "presence" on Earth or above it, observe humans and so on, inevitably the question has to be asked: Why? Why are the gods doing this? What is their purpose, what do they want from us, what interest do they have...
Which is where the trouble starts; I think, that's rather obvious. Can you have faith, but then answer the question with "Who cares?" or "Who knows?" I would say, that's rather difficult. If the gods, the creators, the powerful forces behind the scenes have an interest, can we really afford to ignore it? If this is all a stage wherev we perform for the gods, as has been suggested in earlier times, can we really afford to make the gods unhappy by performing badly or not at all?
Only if it's a force without special interest, an impersonal force without special interest or with a very general interest only, like, for example, life is meant to be happy, so try to get happy in your life, allows to adopt all the positive aspects of a faith without falling victim to the negative ones.
Believing in such a "force" doesn't necessarily mean you are theist - you may still be an atheist.
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posted March 29, 2010 08:16 PM |
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I repeat for the 27th time: Agnostics: Don't care about any upper being.
And for the 27th time, this is not true. Look it up.
I did, don't worry. But as there are hundreds of different kinds of christians, there are many many different kind of agnostics. Look it up 
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angelito, people who would never agree to watch football really are non-football extremists.
I dare to disagree here.
I don't think somebody can be an extremist in doing something NOT. Or did anyone call Mahatma Gandhi and EXTREMIST, only because he did NOT eat?
Come on...
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posted March 29, 2010 09:32 PM |
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not doing something and never agreeing to do something are two different things though.
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But as there are hundreds of different kinds of christians, there are many many different kind of agnostics.
You might also want to look up basic laws of rhetoric because when you say that "agnostics don't care", that tends to encompass all of them.
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