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posted April 08, 2010 10:01 PM |
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I think that's gotta be one of the biggest loads of crap I've ever read in my life.
Just READ the title!
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posted April 08, 2010 10:02 PM |
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Elodin:
So, the US is better than God's chosen nation?
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posted April 08, 2010 10:22 PM |
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The article you linked says that gay men are immoral and mentally disturbed. The Code of Conduct forbids posting remarks that associates negativity with a group of people based on their sexual orientation.
Associating religion with negativity is also called "racism" in the COC.
The difference is you (and others) directly associate religion with negativity.
I associate fundamentalism with negativity, not religion as a whole. I have posted only one negative comment about religion (and only after I had been given a permission from a moderator, although she thought it was funny I had to ask in the first place). I quoted an author who spoke of religion as an illusion. This is the atheistic point of view and I felt it needed to be heard in a debate about religion. I ignored most of the 300 pages of religious discussions on this forum.
I associate fundamentalism with negativity because it can lead to other dangerous and harmful viewpoints, such as warmongering or homophobia. Advocates of Biblical literalism are often fundamentalists who justify their viewpoints using quotes from the Bible. Majority of Christians do not share those viewpoints. All my recent posts have been aimed at pointing out inconsistencies between some Biblical accounts and the Christian doctrine. Majority of Christians do not believe God ordered the Jews to kill and plunder in his name. Some Christians don't believe half of the things in the Bible happened in the first place.
Before anybody gets offended, here are definitions of those words:
*fundamentalism: (1) a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching; the beliefs of this movement; adherence to such beliefs (2) : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles (also Islamic fundamentalism)
*warmonger: one who urges war
*homophobia: : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality
I will reply whenever I see those here.
Quoting and linking a homophobic article as the proof of what you claim means you share the author's view on the matter. Or perhaps you disagree with the author?
Heroes Community has had a few openly gay members, even a gay moderator. To quote and link an article that calls them immoral and mentally disturbed is insulting.
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posted April 08, 2010 10:35 PM |
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@ Corribus and Dagoth
You mean, you actually clicked on that? Didns't you read the text?
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I generally stop reading when i see that an author doesn't call something by its regular name but refers to it as [a certain something].
Like the devil might appear if you speak thw word or listeners's (readers's) [certain private parts] may blacken and fall off. 
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posted April 08, 2010 11:48 PM |
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I declare yet again: I did not say what you claim. And I ask you for the third, officially, formally and politely:
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friendship between Catholics and Protestants (especially) were frowned upon and marriage an anathema
You could not porduce official documentaion that Catholic and Protestant friendship is frowned upon. I gave evidence your claim was false.
You also made the false statement that Catholic and Protestant marriage is considered anathema (accursed by God.) In fact I corrected you on the actual teaching of the Catholic church.
You said the Christian religion [produces] "so much enmity withthin the ranks of their own supporters?"
Enmity means hatred. You were unable to back of your claim of "so much" enmity between the Christian denominations.
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there basically IS NO Christianity, only a plethora of factions, supposedly all believing the same thing, but in such a radically different way that they frown upon each other.
In your post you went back and forth between the words frown upon, enmity, and hate.
Here you say Christinity is only a plethora of factsions that frown upon each other. Another false statment that you could not back up.
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Can you really believe in ANY official version of a religion that at its core suggests to love even your enemies, when the followers of that religion are split into an uncounted number of rivalling groupings which may even be hostile against each other?
Here you make another false allegation of Christians being hostile to each other.
Your entire post painted Christianity as just a group of factsions that frown upon/have enmity towards/hate each other. A false painting of Christianity taht you could provide no proof of.
Now, my statement was "The statement was made that Christianity is composed of a group of denominations that are all hostile to one another."
You will notice that my statement does not contain quotes. My statment is a summary of your many false statments, although it is virtually identical to yours if you replace denominations with factions in my summary statemtment.
My statment certainly does summarize what you said, as proven by my exact quotes of what you said.
Now, if you wish to retract a statmeent that you made, feel free to do so and explain that you did not actually mean what you said. Maybe you were just having a bad day or whatever.
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So, the US is better than God's chosen nation?
Huh? Israel was a theocracy. The US is a democracy.
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Heroes Community has had a few openly gay members, even a gay moderator. To quote and link an article that calls them immoral and mentally disturbed is insulting
But it is ok to disparage religous people all day long, right? Certainly I've never seen a moderator warn others of "racism" because of their associations of negativity with a religion and indeed I would quote such negative statments by moderators.
In this thread alone you can find plenty of such associations of negativity with relgion.
I do not agree with every statment in the article I quoted. I quoted if for the medical facts it sets forward. I was asked specificly to say what harm gay sex can cause and I presented the article as one that meets that request.
It is not a violation of the COC to say the Bible says this or that is sin.
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posted April 08, 2010 11:51 PM |
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I don't think there should not be a problem with having a problem against the idea of religion, nor against the idea of homosexuality, etc.
The problem is when having a problem against the people behind the acts.
No matter if it is an act of religion, a sexual act, or they're born with a certain colour skin, it is the people who practice this who're important, but the practice itself, is not. (Note you can't really practice your colour of skin, but it is to give the general idea).
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posted April 08, 2010 11:57 PM |
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Heroes Community has had a few openly gay members, even a gay moderator. To quote and link an article that calls them immoral and mentally disturbed is insulting
But it is ok to disparage religous people all day long, right? Certainly I've never seen a moderator warn others of "racism" because of their associations of negativity with a religion and indeed I would quote such negative statments by moderators.
In this thread alone you can find plenty of such associations of negativity with relgion.
I do not agree with every statment in the article I quoted. I quoted if for the medical facts it sets forward. I was asked specificly to say what harm gay sex can cause and I presented the article as one that meets that request.
It is not a violation of the COC to say the Bible says this or that is sin.
Elodin, the door swings both ways.
the reason why you aren't respected is because you don't show respect.
You've got the change in order to get us to change.
and I am insulted by what drivel you present as evidence. "the national Argumentator". Argumentator isn't even a word. use the bloody queens english, man!
I know the reason why you're not responding to me, is because you don't have anything to throw at me! You've got nothing! no evidence, no arguments, just whining and snowing about how my arguments are offensive to you're ears. Well F**k you, you're god and you're ears, Elodin. If you would rather ignore me over the many other options, including change and research, then you are a coward and a fraud.
see you in the eighth circle of hell.
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posted April 08, 2010 11:58 PM |
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Here you say Christinity is only a plethora of factsions that frown upon each other. Another false statment that you could not back up.
Man, I sure love burning protestants with my fellow catholics up here!
After having removed their nails and dslocated their shoulders and having shoved a candle under their feet obviously.
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posted April 09, 2010 12:00 AM |
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Huh? Israel was a theocracy. The US is a democracy.
I need hardly say that this isn't answering my question. Do you or do you not think that the US has better laws than Israel did?
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posted April 09, 2010 12:10 AM |
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Huh? Israel was a theocracy. The US is a democracy.
I need hardly say that this isn't answering my question. Do you or do you not think that the US has better laws than Israel did?
Sorry, but that is not the question you asked. You asked: "So, the US is better than God's chosen nation?"
But to answer your clarified question.
The laws for Israel were fitting for a theocry and for the purpose Israel was founded for. All the laws of the ancient Israel certainly would not fit the US. The US is not a theocracy and does not have the functino Israel had. But all the laws of the US are not fitting of the US either. Like the new health care law that mandates all US citizens buy health care.
One of the purposes of the Mosaic Law was to show how seriously God views sin. I think it certaainly does that.
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posted April 09, 2010 12:31 AM |
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I don't get why something fits somewhere, but not at other places. After all, it's people both places who're getting the consequences of this. So to find the place with the best set of laws, it must be the place with the best consequences, in my honest opinion.
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posted April 09, 2010 07:29 AM |
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Okay, counter says 3, and 3's a charm.
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posted April 09, 2010 10:11 AM |
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Edited by angelito at 10:11, 09 Apr 2010.
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Closed.
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