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So this alone can't be enough to be ultimate evidence.
Jesus was seen by over 500 people at on time and by a number of different people at different times after his resurrection. There are many thousands of manuscripts that attest to his resurrection. You can chose to reject that evidence if you wish.
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What the bible does NOT is teaching "the ultimate way of living", or "the ultimate truth".
That is of course your opinion. I say it teaches ultimate truth.
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Christianity doesn't follow the Bible, the Bible follows Christianity. A person who has never even heard of the Bible can be a Christian. And for that matter, a person who has never even heard of Christ can be a Christian.
What? How exactly can one who has never heard of Christ be a follower of Christ?
What Christianity is and the teachings of Christianity is defined by the New Testament.
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there is a differnce between new testamony and old. bible is supposingly the old in english lenguage i presume?
The Old Testament (Covenant) writings apply mostly to the Jews living under the Old Covenant times. The New Testament (Covenant) writings apply to the church, which is under the New Covenant.
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posted September 03, 2009 07:07 PM |
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Jesus was seen by over 500 people at on time and by a number of different people at different times after his resurrection. There are many thousands of manuscripts that attest to his resurrection. You can chose to reject that evidence if you wish.
This written anywhere else than in the bible?
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posted September 03, 2009 07:15 PM |
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The Old Testament (Covenant) writings apply mostly to the Jews living under the Old Covenant times. The New Testament (Covenant) writings apply to the church, which is under the New Covenant.
But it's still the same god - it was Jesus' dad who slew Onan for spilling his seed, not Zeus. Man, that was harsh.
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posted September 03, 2009 07:34 PM |
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tell me elodin how do you feel regarding aprokiffs,the books of judas,tobias and rezial?
several books removed from both old and new testamony?
books of raziel: speaks of how to summon angels,gain imortality.
Book of Tobias: the realtinsip between angel and man,banned from both religions.
Book of judas,speaks that jesus knew of judas betrayl,and asked to do so in the first place,claims judas and marry magdelain ware hes beloved childern,speaks of how judas was wrognly convicted,but acted in the authority of jesus.
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posted September 03, 2009 08:28 PM |
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tell me elodin how do you feel regarding aprokiffs,the books of judas,tobias and rezial?
several books removed from both old and new testamony?
books of raziel: speaks of how to summon angels,gain imortality.
Book of Tobias: the realtinsip between angel and man,banned from both religions.
Book of judas,speaks that jesus knew of judas betrayl,and asked to do so in the first place,claims judas and marry magdelain ware hes beloved childern,speaks of how judas was wrognly convicted,but acted in the authority of jesus.
The book of Rezial was written in teh 13th century, clearly a fake.
The "gospel of Judas" is a gnostic fake written hundreds of years after Christ. Gnostics tried to piggyback on Christianity.
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posted September 03, 2009 08:35 PM |
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if this is your opinion i found it offensive.
just like the new testamony wasent really written by jesus,but by hes fallowers and they're fallowers after hes death.
a qoute regarding reziel from a liable source:
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The tradition around the book attributes it to have been revealed to Adam by the angel Raziel. The title itself is mentioned in another magical work of late antiquity, The Sword of Moses. Critical historians regard it as a medieval work, most probably originating among the Chassidei Ashkenaz, as citations from it begin to appear only in the 13th century. Sections of it are no doubt older. The likely compiler of the medieval version is Eleazer of Worms.
Kabbala!
Furthemore i found Gnostic,a more intersting religion,then chirisnity. mainly becouse there ware not claims of jews killed jesus.
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posted September 03, 2009 08:43 PM |
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Jesus was seen by over 500 people at on time and by a number of different people at different times after his resurrection. There are many thousands of manuscripts that attest to his resurrection. You can chose to reject that evidence if you wish.
This written anywhere else than in the bible?
The New Testament documents are many thosands and are historical documents. We have far more copies of the New Testament than of any other ancient document.
The minimal facts, as accepted by nearly all scholars, include the following facts and evidences:
1.Jesus died by crucifixion
o Josephus
o Tacitus
o Lucian
o Mara Bar-Serapion
o Talmud
2.Jesus’ disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
o Paul’s accounts
o Oral tradition (creeds and sermon summaries)
o Written tradition (both Biblical and extra-Biblical)
o Willingness to live, suffer, and die for their convictions regarding the risen Christ
3.Paul the persecutor was converted suddenly
o His conversion records
o His suffering and martyrdom (recorded in both Christian and non-Christian sources)
4.James, Jesus’ skeptical brother, was converted suddenly
o His conversion (gospels, early creeds, Paul, and Acts)
o His martyrdom (Josephus, Clement, and Hegesippus through Eusebius)
5.The tomb was empty
o Enemy attestation
o The Jerusalem location
o Testimony of women
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posted September 03, 2009 08:43 PM |
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But it's still the same god - it was Jesus' dad who slew Onan for spilling his seed, not Zeus. Man, that was harsh.
Does anyone realize that Elo'din needs answering those threads as much as others need daily masturbation? So far it is not considered as sin, but a weakness 
Latest medical research shows that masturbation is healthy, so let it be.
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posted September 03, 2009 08:45 PM |
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Latest medical research shows that masturbation is healthy, so let it be.
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posted September 03, 2009 08:56 PM |
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yes
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0539.html
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/advice/is_masturbation_healthy
3 diffrent sites say it is. also regarding seed is death,do you two think that women are also banned from it?
sorry for ot.
elodin my earlier posts remained unanswerd..
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posted September 03, 2009 09:02 PM |
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if this is your opinion i found it offensive.
just like the new testamony wasent really written by jesus,but by hes fallowers and they're fallowers after hes death.
a qoute regarding reziel from a liable source:
The New Testament says it was not written by Jesus.
I don't know of Rabbis who consider Raziel to be an inspired book.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Sefer_Raziel_HaMalakh
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Sefer Raziel HaMalakh, (Hebrew ñôø øæéàì äîìàê "Book of Raziel the Angel”), is medieval Kabbalistic grimoire, primarily written in Hebrew and Aramaic, but surviving also in Latin translation, as Liber Razielis Archangeli, in a 13th century manuscript produced under Alfonso X.
You can chose to like gnosticism. That does not change that the so called Gospel of Judas has been proven to be a fake.
Anyways, you asked for my opinions of the books and I gave them.
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posted September 03, 2009 09:03 PM |
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Indeed, but all sources accords on one aspect: it is sign of a deeper psychological, sexual or physical problem. It allows eliminating stress.
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posted September 03, 2009 09:04 PM |
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Indeed, but all sources accords on one aspect: it is sign of a deeper psychological, sexual or physical problem. It allows eliminating stress.
Masturbation or religion?
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posted September 03, 2009 09:05 PM |
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Does anyone realize that Elo'din needs answering those threads as much as others need daily masturbation? So far it is not considered as sin, but a weakness
Latest medical research shows that masturbation is healthy, so let it be.
I find your statment about me to be offensive. Also this thread is a thread for religious discussion, not about masturbation.
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posted September 03, 2009 09:05 PM |
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@elodin,please enlighten me,how was it profed fake?
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@elodin,please enlighten me,how was it profed fake?
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The Gospel of Judas was developed by a Gnostic sect in the second century A.D., and was originally written in Greek around 130-170. This fact alone tells us that it was not authored by Judas himself. The oldest extant copy is a Coptic manuscript written in Sahidic (last phase of ancient Egyptian) in the fourth or fifth century.
The Gospel of Judas apparently depicts Judas in favorable terms and commends him as doing God's work when he betrayed Christ to the Jewish religious leaders. This, of course, contradicts what was written by the apostles in their gospels of Matthew and John, as well as those gospels written by Mark and Luke who are under the direction of Peter and Paul.
The Gospel of Judas falls into the category of pseudepigraphal writings. This means that the gospel is not authentic, it is a false writing. In fact, the gospel was not written by Judas, but by a later Gnostic sect in support of Judas. Gnositicsm was an ancient heresy that taught salvation through esoteric knowledge. Gnosticism was known at the time of the writing of the later epistles in the New Testament and was rejected by the apostle John.6
The ancient writer Irenaeus (130 - 202 AD), in his work called Refutation of All Heresies, said that the gospel of Judas was a fictitious history:
"Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves. On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself. They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas."7
We can conclude that the Gospel of Judas is not authentic, is not inspired, and was properly rejected by the early church as an unreliable and inaccurate depiction of what really happened concerning Judas.
Of course, the complaint is often raised that this opinion, like that of the early church, simply rejected anything that opposed a preconceived idea. But, this complaint falls by the wayside when we understand that the early church knew which documents were authored by the apostles and which were not. God did not make a mistake when he led the Christian Church to recognize what is and is not inspired. The Gospel of Judas was never recognized by the church as being inspired.
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posted September 03, 2009 09:18 PM |
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yes
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0539.html
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/advice/is_masturbation_healthy
3 diffrent sites say it is. also regarding seed is death,do you two think that women are also banned from it?
sorry for ot.
elodin my earlier posts remained unanswerd..
Are we seriously going again to link wars? I don't remember if it was here or CH that I posted numerous links against it, and since it's off topic, I will not bother again, for the THIRD time, to dig them up.
My point stands though, since it seems clear that research is contradicting: if you want something hard enough you will find it and all the proofs to it. And I think most researchers favor masturbation. It is those presenting evidence against that I find more credible, whether they actually favor it or not (I assume the former).
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posted September 03, 2009 09:20 PM |
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This fact alone tells us that it was not authored by Judas himself.
excuse me ,jesus must've authored the new testamony!
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posted September 03, 2009 09:23 PM |
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I find your statment about me to be offensive. Also this thread is a thread for religious discussion, not about masturbation.
Please show me how is that offensive. Lets take an example:
what would happen if my self I would answer at EVERY post in Heroes strategy thread and tell them I hold the truth, posting images linked to a site which does not show to others? What would happen if I am in the need to "fix" every others post? I think I would be banned in no time or at least considered as having serious psychological problems. Now, only because this is about religion, people gets over protecting and over sensitive and let it go, fearing discrimination.
Still, the result is same: I can enjoy and learn from those kind of threads (I respect religion) but surely not from having to read every 2 posts your over quoted stuff. Take a rest from time to time, so people can express their opinions without being constantly reduced to "offensive"
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posted September 03, 2009 09:24 PM |
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Masturbation or religion?
Can't I just pick something in between? Like touching myself inappropriately while thinking of Jesus.
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