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posted January 05, 2010 07:19 PM |
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Why do people so desperately want to believe the aliens are better, wiser, less self-destructive?
Logic. If they aren't they don't survive to meet us. Or if they do, they won't communicate, they would just colonize our planet for their own purposes -- you can't say there haven't been much literature and movies on this subject.
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What piece of work is man.
Here's a version I've seen somewhere some time ago -- shows more truth.
"What a piece of **** is man!
How haughty and deficient in reason! How finite in faculty!
In form and moving, how self-centered and self-absorbed!
How smugly he views himself to be a God!
But how the animals of Earth scatter before him in fear
That he soon will reduce them to the quintessence of dust,
And the cosmos back to the primal speck
Whence the universe began!"
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Compared to what?
Higher beings.
I don't care which you choose. Call them angels, call them aliens, call them machines, call them cyborgs, call them animals, call them fantasy, call them utopians, call them idealization. That's not the point.
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posted January 05, 2010 07:27 PM |
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But how the animals of Earth scatter before him in fear
That he soon will reduce them to the quintessence of dust,
He shall reduce them to the fifth purest form of the essence all things are made of?
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posted January 05, 2010 07:40 PM |
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and dead, that's the important part 
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posted January 05, 2010 08:35 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 20:39, 05 Jan 2010.
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studying the TV program of the world for a week or so would teach any visitor everything about us
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we assume if they exist:
they are existing in space somewhere
they Would check out our satellites and know everything there is to know about us from them
other things aswell
but that they can learn everything about us from watching TV for about a week or so?
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posted January 05, 2010 08:43 PM |
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They can learn all women are sex-obsessed and want to have sex with a horde of cautious, awkward, young men.
Also that humanity has perfected a means by which they can travel 18 times the speed of light, if they happened to catch fox news at one point.
Also, everything explodes, so better be careful when you're on earth.
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posted January 05, 2010 08:53 PM |
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And vampires sparkle.
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posted January 05, 2010 10:03 PM |
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Or maybe the aliens simply don't care about humans. They just wanna do what they wanna do. Screw humanity! We'll always be more advanced than them! They wanna do something about it? Blast 'em. They think they're smarter than us? Blast 'em. They wanna be more advanced than us? Blast 'em. They want to meet us? Set blasters to stun...
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posted January 06, 2010 04:34 AM |
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Hmmm... Heres a question that you should be more responsive to(judging that you have already been arguing about it)
What will the aliens learn if they simply tap into our television and everything?(serious question is being serious)
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posted January 06, 2010 07:21 AM |
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Hmmm... Heres a question that you should be more responsive to(judging that you have already been arguing about it)
What will the aliens learn if they simply tap into our television and everything?(serious question is being serious)
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They can learn all women are sex-obsessed and want to have sex with a horde of cautious, awkward, young men.
Also that humanity has perfected a means by which they can travel 18 times the speed of light, if they happened to catch fox news at one point.
Also, everything explodes, so better be careful when you're on earth.
They can learn hat we look like what we speak and what we busy ourselves with, but it will depend on what shows they watch. they will also lear what technology we are capable of (except if they watch star trek or something)
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posted January 06, 2010 07:36 AM |
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Ah, I see that the visiting aliens not only are assumed to be greater than us, but a lot dumber as well.
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posted January 06, 2010 07:43 AM |
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Well it is folly to think we will be able to gage what aliens will understand or not. Their thought process may be so forein to us, that we would never be able to communicate. In many ways they may be more intelligent, and in many areas totally clueless. Everybody assumes Math is a universal language..but that may not be the case.
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posted January 06, 2010 05:21 PM |
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What will the aliens learn if they simply tap into our television and everything?(serious question is being serious)
Its not automatically that they couldn't understand or learn from it but to say they would certainly be able, and no less learn everything there is to know in a week or so is a pretty bold claim considering the factor that we wouldn't know their capability until we at least have met them.
anyways I guess my point was I dont really see how we can assume 100% they would and could intercept our satellite broadcasts to learn everything about us.
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posted January 06, 2010 05:42 PM |
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Ah, I see that the visiting aliens not only are assumed to be greater than us, but a lot dumber as well.
Hehe, why would they understand the concept of television?
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posted January 06, 2010 06:12 PM |
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What will the aliens learn if they simply tap into our television and everything?(serious question is being serious)
Why just TV? And its a question of where they start, or if they even developed technology to actually view it. They could always have developed other technologies or have entirely other teach trees.
For all we know they could be us, but skipped a lot and went straight to space and a web hivemind.
They could be beyond our imagination, we might never be able to even communicate.
If some where to understand TV, they would either dismiss us as underdeveloped or they would start watching trough it to see if they are able to grasp something. They would likely study us while making a translator. What else? Who knows?
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posted January 06, 2010 07:40 PM |
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It doesn't matter what techs they have or not have - if they can reach and contact us they will be able to understand and copy all techs they encounter here.
Obviously.
That's of course true only if they reach and contact us with TECHNICAL means.
It it's done with psychic or psionic means they won't even need TV to check us out.
By the way, I took the TV thing only because it's obvious and simple. I'd trust any alien able to reach and contact us to be able to check out the difference between a real life news channel like CNN and fiction oriented channels - they should have analytic abilities and "computer" support - no matter the way their computers would work.
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posted January 06, 2010 09:25 PM |
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Yep, or they checked a paper and read a short description of the show. "Romantic comedy from 1994"=Fiction
"News report."=Fact
I guess there are three possibly ways they could look at us, a neutral/dismissing view, a hostile way or a cooperative way.
We'll either get help/trade from them, they'll ignore us or conquer/exterminate us. And who ever said that the aliens will think the same thing about us. Some of them will surely leave us be, it's very unlikely that ALL of the aliens would come here. Some might want to trade or try to help us in some way(give us tech or political viewpoints) and some might come here to get slaves, rape,kill us or exploit our resources. Maybe they're predators.
I also don't think they'll come and kill all humans, unless they're here to conquer the planet, but it'd be much easier and sometimes more efficient to enslave us. Space is big, and travel takes time and time takes food. Maybe they just pick up some food and leave.
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posted January 06, 2010 09:43 PM |
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it just says not only that they are extremely advanced in a specific way that they could learn everything there is to know by watching TV even if we throw on some wikipedia reference
It is more mentionable than if we were to watch the TV and websites of a country we dont know the language for, in example if I were to try to learn more about Japan, I would not just look at a website ring with the Kant language characters and TV with no understanding of their words etc
Ok I try to not pass observations of things I have not seen but I think if there is something out there that has the ability to check out our satellites and understand half of it then great.
It's seemingly presumptuous to feel that not only that they could, but they would. Because we seem to not know them. There are many mysteries of the world but no where near enough understanding of them and other facts for us to construct solid ideas of the Ifs and whats about it.
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posted January 06, 2010 09:51 PM |
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Nazca Lines. Anyone prehistory or that we know about who could accomplish this knew something. We dont know who or why, but we know it is not visible underneath elevation in the sky required by plane or greater. Miles, miles large, yet almost precise and metrically flawless, and near what many feel are air strips.
starchild there is more to this bone than its shape
Pumapunku is thought by many who look into its details as more mysterious than egypt itself. Granite blocks cut with precision some weighing even 800 Tons. Even mechanical engineers today marvel, would require a cutting tool harder, which, is known to us only as diamond, yet the precision of cuts and grooves were nearly perfect, and who made this we dont know. This is considered by a lot of people the greatest known mystery considering tangible facts
piri reis map is a chart made in a time where we could not have charted Antarctica let alone uniced
Antikythera Mechanism is extremely advanced considering the mechanical peak of the era in the treasures of alexandria etc, could be a watch? perhaps?
have y'all checked this stuff out? Granite stones weighing as much as 800 cars are involved in one of them, and we find that particular stone type I think 100s of miles from the site. Cut with like laser precision and the only thing we know that could do this were diamond tipped tools. Sure there is evidence of extreme advanced entities that once were or still are. I venture to say if they could do this they could fly into other galaxies as well and probably piece some things together with our satellite information.
One thing I would ask them if they are listening is why they have not come to us with information so many of us struggle for and worse many conflict exists among us over matters of faith. I have some guesses.
Joker you pretty much said it is pointless to attempt to engage conversation with them and your point of view makes sense, I am sorry how I came across with my response but I feel it would be more likely to actually receive a response than to expect they would check out our data bases. I think our planet and humanity needs help
and how the heck can this stuff be constructed out of blocks weighing more than an apartment complex?
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Maybe they just pick up some food and leave.
thats awesome!! We need to give them some good pizza I think
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posted January 06, 2010 09:58 PM |
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Joker you pretty much said it is pointless to attempt to engage conversation with them and your point of view makes sense, I am sorry how I came across with my response but I feel it would be more likely to actually receive a response than to expect they would check out our data bases. I think our planet and humanity needs help
Nono. I just said that I don't like the down-on-your-knees-and-pray attitude. If there are aliens, fine. If there's a contact, fine.
But we have to help ourselves. If we don't manage that we'll just die out like the dinosaurs - and we'd deserve it. We have the power to help ourselves, we just have to do it.
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posted January 06, 2010 10:55 PM |
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One thing I would ask them if they are listening is why they have not come to us with information so many of us struggle for and worse many conflict exists among us over matters of faith. I have some guesses.
What if they do. There's been plenty of "sightings", news and announcements. Both from trustworthy people and not. Why would you believe a single farmer saying he's seen an alien? Why wouldn't you believe the several astronauts and sciencetists who say thet have? People who study space and who've been there. Those are the people that should have actual knowledge. Some politicians have also "come out of the closet", so to speak.
A comparison to the previous question: Why would you believe an astronaut speaking about farming? Why wouldn't you believe a farmer talking about it?
I'm not trying to concoct some conspiracy, but people, mostly, refuse to believe things they don't want to believe or think they know about from before. People often think they know better themselves. Thing is, people present proof all the time, and throughout history there are many things that support the theory, but when comparing today, with billions of people in , kinda, a single civilisation. How many people lived in ancient greece? And how much communication did they have with the rest of the world? And how much records come from there and then? Compare that to today. If there's only ten scriptures from different civilisations in history support the existance of aliens, that should be enough to prove they have existed, if we could find ANY "real" traces of them. And we have.
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