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Arcax
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posted March 23, 2010 04:39 PM |
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But dark against dwarfs ? meh
Of course you're right with Light being a popular choice with Dwarves and considering the ever so annoying rune of Excorcism, but come on almost all other approaches are just as futile or annoying.
You go might with light magic they have rune of thunderclap, magic controle, ressurection AND their high defense that basically turns them into walking boulders.
You go destro there is an army that already is to almost 50% immune to fire or it's perks effects and rune of elemental immunity to really screw you over.
And hoping to get summoning with a ranger is a rather futile endavour.
In the particular set up light would have been the supreme choice of course (if I had cleansing I'm pretty sure that I could have taken him) but it would have been a loooooong and tidious matchup. This way it was more funky. As a matter of fact it was really funky. And that imbued vulnerability Ballista sure was fun.
Sure, your points are valid Azz. Just commented on the whole difficulty when taking dark against midgets. Its rather hard to choose any magic since they can steal everything except resurrection heh and with Rune of elemental immunity its a gamble to take destro. With sylvan I would go light, buff myself as hard as I can and as you mentioned before try to cleanse him. First hard hitting charge ? Too risky since rune of battlerage can be up his sleeve. Destro seems the best choice with imbue ice spells also it helps against etherealness, but you must be as solid as him if you want to win.
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Bania_87
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posted March 23, 2010 04:41 PM |
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Guys, please write result in the top of post like:
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Elvin:Bania 2:0
It will help me in adding points to tables.
Thanks in advance.
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metatron1983
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posted March 23, 2010 07:43 PM |
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Kispagat , msm me on hamachi if you want end our game.
Meybe someone other with grup 2 want play now? msg me.
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metatron1983
Hired Hero
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posted March 23, 2010 09:17 PM |
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Metatron vs Kispagat 1-1
1. Orcs vs Inferno
Fight from the beginning under control. Frequent movement of my hero thanks of empathy + fear was enough even so enough impressive attack by the opponent.
2. Drawfs vs Dungeon
A bit I messed this contest up. The magic destro didn't show itself so with revelation. I counted the lucky of the wizard to the ability but I didn't get. After the good beginning I felt most probably and lightly I ignored the opponent what was finished off nervous with end and as a last resort defeat.
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/21586185/metatron_vs_kispagat_1.sav
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/21586228/metatron_vs_Kispagat_2.sav
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted March 23, 2010 09:30 PM |
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Metatron vs Kispagat 1-1
1. Orcs vs Inferno
Fight from the beginning under control. Frequent movement of my hero thanks of empathy + fear was enough even so enough impressive attack by the opponent.
2. Drawfs vs Dungeon
A bit I messed this contest up. The magic destro didn't show itself so with revelation. I counted the lucky of the wizard to the ability but I didn't get. After the good beginning I felt most probably and lightly I ignored the opponent what was finished off nervous with end and as a last resort defeat.
Confirm.
First was a surprise for me, no shatter dark on my opponent's side. But thanks to my bad play and sp 3 I managed to loose it quite convincingly.
Second was very close. When last dwarf went donw I had 1 blackies and 1 assassin alive.
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albolabris
Known Hero
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posted March 23, 2010 09:30 PM |
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albo vs Azzie 2 : 0
1. Orcs vs Dungeon
Not a lot to say. Swift minded battlecry with nice morale, elation, retribution and good starting ATB bar did the trick since Azzie didn't have dark at all ( no PM in the library ). Thx for that bonus fireball 
Replay 1
2. Inferno vs Necro
I had pretty nice build. Mass: slow, haste, endurance, suffering. Vampirism to counter PM, seal of darkness and destro with mark of fire. Key thing here was heroes positions on the bar. Azzie had bad luck because he cast as first. Without sorcery there was no way to change that casting queue. Soon he was totally out of mana and the game was over. Also i had tons of luck, way too much for only 20%.
Replay 2
Thanks for games and i hope our next clash will provide some more spectacular replays 
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted March 24, 2010 12:08 AM |
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Well they were a bit loopsided games, unfortunately really since I always look forward to playing people like albo (I make myself believe that I'm close to his level and that he's only a bit better than me) and then the games are such a let down... and I'm even arrogant enough to believe that it wasn't really my fault.
No tactics in the first game was moronic of course but seeing that he had Battle Cry makes it a little less horrible. And in the second one... ugh the Hero positioning drove me crazy. If not for the haste vs. slow I'm pretty sure that I'd have had a decent chance to turn it arround. Especially since his vermin wouldn't have been so off the chain and my units were dishing out considerable damage (suffering made it worse but in the end with some raise dead, vampirism, perhaps a phoenix I think I could have turned it arround. But of course that is all theory ). No that hero thing really annoyed me to no end...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 24, 2010 12:38 AM |
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Hoho soldier's luck necro lost  Dungeon vs dwarves was a pretty intense duel, well played kis.
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foolishman
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posted March 24, 2010 04:18 AM |
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Hell yeah!
Rubycus' haven was doomed from the start for priest training and taking no defense. Incorporeal rule helped a bit.
Academy took it through mass spell manipulation  That and good kshatra action, dwarves almost seemed to enjoy the retaliations..
Yesterday I also had my games with Larry, my dungeon vs haven followed by haven after dungeon I managed to win both with a little luck.
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First one I went for warlock's luck and things just went my way. Furies could block champions in a way archangels could not clear them out without also blocking the way, mistresses blocked archangels, first spell was a lucky meteor hitting angels, brutes and crossbows. I also had cursed ring and Larry didn't make full use of training, in the end I had a d/c but Larry not thinking much of his chances conceded. As an extra insight in the game Larry had dived on hydras and I was about to wait my blackies and matriachs.
Second one I didn't get retribution for the first time in ages but I had maxed luck so no complaints. Tactics and haste from the wand were invaluable, my griffin drive was humiliatingly noobish and Larry's empathy.. betrayed him to say the least. Can you imagine 1 morale out of 9 actions with maxed morale?
IT's all blablabla,now i am pretty sure Elvin has modded the map ,so if u log in as Elvin you will get 8 out of 12 Morale(with 6 morale) and if u don't u'll get 1 out of 10(with 6 morale) not 9 as Elvin says
larry fanoga
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 24, 2010 08:27 AM |
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IT's all blablabla,now i am pretty sure Elvin has modded the map ,so if u log in as Elvin you will get 8 out of 12 Morale(with 6 morale) and if u don't u'll get 1 out of 10(with 6 morale) not 9 as Elvin says
You have no idea what he was doing with this map
:confidentional data:
I still have the WtF Duel version
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 24, 2010 09:38 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 21:41, 24 Mar 2010.
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Shhh..
Played Albo, after a cookie cut game and an outrageously close one I managed to come on top 2-0.
First one was my inferno against orcs, I had a good selection of light spells and he had no mana for warcries. It was a matter of time. Second one was way more interesting as my inferno faced an empathic 27 power warlock with high mana reserves. The catch was that he wasted a lot of money in mentor so he didn't have full army yet his split matriarchs prevented me from starting with mass haste. Somehow I survived with 10 vermin 
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albolabris
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posted March 24, 2010 11:14 PM |
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This was a bad day for me. Mentor really is a snow 
albo vs Elvin 0 : 2
1. Orcs vs Inferno
Bad build, weak stats, no mana at all, wrong shatter, crappy balista and it was all over. I mentored and mentored to get enlightenment but it didn't pop up. Easy win for Elvin. No replay.
2. Dungeon vs Inferno
This was probably the best game i had in this tournament. Went for sorcery + empathy but i was screwed by mentor. To get Arcane Exaltation i wasted almost 50k gold  My army was just sad but the battle was still very interesting since my stats were really good. Pity because all i needed was 1 point of mana or just a little bit more units. Elemental vision or any reducing spell casting skill would be a winner also. So close but one day i will kick your ass Elvin, heavily
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted March 24, 2010 11:26 PM |
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Seriously 50k? That's 20 Mentor spends for ONE perk lol. That's pretty heavy man. Even with narrowing down the perks that are able to pop up that's a hell of a lot oO. But in a way it's cool you did since we got a really cool replay from it.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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albolabris
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posted March 25, 2010 01:38 AM |
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Almost 50 There where few changes more for other abilities but basically my mentoring was about to get Exaltation. If you get enlightenment soon it usually goes ok. But i had everything else but no exaltation. Had to cancel Intelligence because he kept offering me Graduate, Wizard Award or Revelation. After achieving the goal i had to bring back intelligence and grab the most important empathy
Glad you like the replay, need to watch myself
I also played with Shagrat.
albo vs Shagrat 1:1
1. Orcs vs Haven
This time i had all i wanted. Empathy + Hordes Anger triumphed again. Shagrat went for Summoning and kept copying his units. It would be ok if he had enough army power. But with great stats on my side it was not enough. Was surprised though. I wouldn't even think about summoning magic when playing a knight
2. Dungeon vs Inferno
Deja vu i would say Mentor again and again...
No defense, almost same amount of money wasted trying to get it. Weak army. ATB Bar, morale and luck where just perfect for the infernals. My hero was at the bear end. But even if she would be sooner it wouldn't change a thing. Without defense Dungeon has no chance here... Not with inferno at least... He killed me in 2 turns. Pure slaughter.
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I really think that Dungeon should have defense skill available to buy... It's pretty irritating when you loose the battle before you even start it. That mentoring crap is driving me furious sometimes and i really hate that map in those moments 
I know that usually it is pretty much ok but the problem starts when you want some unusual build. On the other hand, sometimes you can't get some basic skills... Give more money for mentoring in the future Armies should be even for both players in every battle imo. Unless someone want's some other units setup.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted March 25, 2010 08:48 AM |
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...I really think that Dungeon should have defense skill available to buy...
Altho I haven't watched the replays, that's a pretty good point when one compares that to the orc situation of guaranteed shatter dark [AND I'm not saying it's a sure loss in every situation, just commenting]...but then again, the way this map is set up, it is not hard to get 2% skills...it's just that sometimes I;d like 2, 3 or even 4 of them for dungeon, but hey I no nothing {lol at 50K, is that enough to buy all the artifacts from town?}
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted March 25, 2010 01:42 PM |
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imo:
1.-Shatters are a gamble, except having shatter dark. If u face a faction that uses dark u will get it but if the other player uses different magic, like light from witch huts then u paid for a skill that wont help much. ITs not the case with dungeon, defense will always help u against a might faction. It should cost another 10k, at least.
2.-Albo is imba, there should be a Shatter Albo skill available to buy . Im sure bb could create the right perks for it.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 25, 2010 02:43 PM |
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Shatter dark doesn't count, if you don't get it you lose. On the other hand dungeon CAN win without defense and to be honest how many times have you lost that way in this version or any other? It is always within the realm of possibility but not commonplace.
What basically happened here: Stallions played before furies. Stallions got morale. Devils played before blackies and got luck. Dungeon gambled inferno getting tactics. Warlock went dark and played AFTER devils. Matriarchs were unable to counter mass haste since they both acted before the demonlord.
If just a few of those parameters changed the battle would be totally different.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted March 25, 2010 03:35 PM |
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Edited by SKPRIMUS at 17:15, 25 Mar 2010.
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Shatter dark doesn't count, if you don't get it you lose. On the other hand dungeon CAN win without defense and to be honest how many times have you lost that way in this version or any other? It is always within the realm of possibility but not commonplace...
hehe, I hope that was directed at albo because I wasn't the one that said "Without defense Dungeon has no chance here... Not with inferno at least..."...
I merely said he had a good point about guaranteed skill vs another situation (I think)...& yep I personally don't think dungeon without defence has no chance agst inferno, but I haven't played enough anyway {& no nothing}
{PS don't ask me to try dungeon against you}
@pei: about shatters being a gamble...it's often the other way around
edit: funny how replay preview small screen showed 2 rakshasa & golden pavilion in background but actual replay shows no such background
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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albolabris
Known Hero
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posted March 25, 2010 06:10 PM |
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If you go for standard Inferno build vs Dungeon ( attack, defense,luck, mass haste, dark or leadership like it was in this battle ) and Warlock doesn't have defense i'm pretty sure that in 90% of the cases you will win if you know what to do and what should you avoid. Inferno together with Academy is the worst rival for Warlock imo. Almost everyone goes for fast and instant offense because that's just the right thing to do. The only good counter might be swift mind which is not so easy to obtain for Warlocks and you loose a slot for logistic. Armies are quite large and defense skill is almost a must and occurs in majority of battles played here. Your lost with Pei's dwarfs was also because of lack of defense Just watch the replays. The side without defense almost always loses in a very short period of time ( almost because i don't remember all replays, but i really doubt that somebody won without having defense skill). Dungeon and Academy are the only ones that usually have problems to obtain defense. Although Academy is much more different story...
Like Pei says. For some bigger amount of money ( less artifacts will we bought from the shop ) they should have a possibility to buy that precious skill. Without it playing against a might build is mostly a lost case or it's extremely hard to end on the podium. And you know that Elvin
The battle i had with Shagrat was very unfortunately for me because of that morale,lucks and starting ATB bar but i also played some practice games, especially with dungeon and really without defense it's hell.
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metatron1983
Hired Hero
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posted March 25, 2010 09:44 PM |
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Grupe 2, someone want to play ? msg me on hamachi.
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