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posted March 04, 2011 10:01 PM |
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People are animals too. Aren't they?
Yes, but I specified I excluded them from that (humans don't kill other humans for food the last time I checked) did you read my recent post? And if you are asking if I consider a human killing another human wrong, yes I do.
And hey, don't be so harsh on Elodin, I think he simply may have misinterpreted something, no need to refer to him as "moron" 
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posted March 04, 2011 10:14 PM |
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The point is.
#1 You think it's wrong to kill animals?
#2 You think people are animals as well?
#3 Yet you want to kill the people who kills animals?
That makes you a killer of animals as well. I.e. making you a target for yourself.
In any regard, it's really not a discussion I find interesting. I thought you were joking and would come clean, not defend such a meaningless, emotional, stance.
I find my previous questions from ~23. february for you, to be of much more interest.
PS: Words can only harm if you choose to interpret them in a harmful way. How you interpret the words presented to you, is your own responsibility. I mean no offense and I think it's quite clear how that kind of behaviour is moronic. Or maybe whining would be more accurate?
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 04, 2011 11:09 PM |
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The point is.
#1 You think it's wrong to kill animals?
#2 You think people are animals as well?
#3 Yet you want to kill the people who kills animals?
That makes you a killer of animals as well. I.e. making you a target for yourself.
In any regard, it's really not a discussion I find interesting. I thought you were joking and would come clean, not defend such a meaningless, emotional, stance.
I find my previous questions from ~23. february for you, to be of much more interest.
PS: Words can only harm if you choose to interpret them in a harmful way. How you interpret the words presented to you, is your own responsibility. I mean no offense and I think it's quite clear how that kind of behaviour is moronic. Or maybe whining would be more accurate?
What you did here by posting all this, despite that you know what I mean, and know that I know you know what I mean, suggests you are extremely bored.
#1 I think it's wrong for people to kill animals, when they can survive off a vegetarian diet.
#2 Obviously
#3 Yes but that only applies to humans exclusively (no I wouldn't commit suicide after avenging cows, the humans deserved it  ) Besides I only said I'd make killing animals (human and non human illegal, and when I mentioned bazooking a farmer when he's chopping a chicken's head off, I'd just do it for justice and my own pleasure, then make all killing illegal)
Meaningless emotional stance? I don't think standing up for the innocent animals having their body decimated alive and suffering so you can have their cooked ass in your burger is meaningless...
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posted March 04, 2011 11:14 PM |
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Taste is never meaningless!
Man this discussion just took an interesting turn, meat VS vegetarians.
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ohforfsake
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posted March 04, 2011 11:17 PM |
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What you did here by posting all this, despite that you know what I mean, and know that I know you know what I mean, suggests you are extremely bored.
Uh?? You gotta be more specific, I have no clue what you mean.
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Meaningless emotional stance?
Yes.
Meaningless, because you'd do the exact act you're opposing. Otherwise you've to specify certain conditions where it's okay to kill.
Or maybe I have just not understood that you apply the term, law, different than I do.
Emotional, because the only reason you do it, is for your own pleasure.
It has nothing to do with justice. Consider this. Does it in any way help the dead chicken that you kill a person?
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 04, 2011 11:21 PM |
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Taste is never meaningless!
Man this discussion just took an interesting turn, meat VS vegetarians.
Well yeah, since Elodin announced he's leaving for a few days, the Bible worshipping side of the argument is practically absent in the HC, so no one to argue about it with.
On a serious note, as I consider animal slaughter a very serious issue, what is your view on the topic? I guess since you're Scandinavian you like your fish...
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It has nothing to do with justice. Consider this. Does it in any way help the dead chicken that you kill a person?
Please, of course not, but it would be the last chicken to have died from the hand of man and it's body mangled into McDonald's nuggets.
Why don't you ask me: "is banishing the Nazis away from Poland really gonna help the dead Jews?" 
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posted March 04, 2011 11:22 PM |
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Skren: How do you know we're not stopping those species from overpopulating?
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Jabanoss
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posted March 04, 2011 11:25 PM |
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My fish? eh...
Well I do like my meat if that's what you're wondering. And no I don't considering it being morally wrong to kill animals for it. At least as long as you can give them a "worthy" living before they die.(No, I'm not saying it "justifies" it, just saying it make it better and it greatly improve their lives.)
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 04, 2011 11:30 PM |
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Skren: How do you know we're not stopping those species from overpopulating?
Okay, before I tell you that we're not, EVEN IF we were, that doesn't justify their slaughter, humans are overpopulating, are you gonna select a few million and turn them into fishfingers?
Now, no we don't. Their population would be drastically lower if they weren't held captive and occurred only naturally. Before humans "domesticated" (read: enslaved) animals, there was no problem with their population, and it was far from humans anyways.
Cows, for instance, are kept perpetually pregnant and forced to give birth calf after calf, people mess with the animals artificially increasing their offspring numbers etc.
Animal slaughter houses are no different from Nazi concentration camps, just no one pays attention to them because they are "only animals".
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ohforfsake
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posted March 04, 2011 11:31 PM |
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Please, of course not, but it would be the last chicken to have died from the hand of man and it's body mangled into McDonald's nuggets.
You're killing some potential killers. Potentially saving other potential killers... I only see one absolute killer here and it's the guy fighting for justice...
You're basically trying to prevet killing..., by killing!
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Why don't you ask me: "is banishing the Nazis away from Poland really gonna help the dead Jews?"
I don't understand the analogy.
The German soldiers would have gone back to germany independent if they had been part of a mass murdering, or not.
The killing of a killer is a response of the killers killing.
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posted March 04, 2011 11:37 PM |
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Godwin's law applies again
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 04, 2011 11:40 PM |
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posted March 05, 2011 01:30 AM |
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Skren: How do you know we're not stopping those species from overpopulating?
lol, I don't know where you live, but here there are barely any animals apart from cats, dogs and birds. even in woods or at the campaign I almost never see anything else than birds. I guess they were too hard to get rid off, unlike other species?
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posted March 05, 2011 07:46 AM |
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@Skrentyz
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Additionally, I am sure comparing you to other 33 year old people would be absurd.
I would not disagree that - normalizing for intelligence and education level, and etc. - a 65 year old would be more intellectually developed than I am. I mean, let me put it in this way. 15 years hence, do you think your intellectual state will be more advanced than it is today? For myself, while I might not be any more intelligent than I was when I was 16, I possess considerably more knowledge (so much more as to be absurd), I am far wiser, far less impulsive and easily provoked, far more critical, and far more efficient with my thinking skills. My writing and analytical skills are also far better developed. This comes with the territory of formal education (getting a doctorate in a hard science requires an incredible honing of one's ability to handle and manipulate data) as well as simple practice in my daily life. While my formal education is now finished, I still do a considerable amount of learning at my place of work - also through my own personal drive to further educate myself - and I continue to refine my philosophical outlook through self-introspection. In that regard, when I am 60 (assuming I get there and that my brain is physically healthy), I expect that I will consider my 33 year old self to be much less mature, intellectually speaking.
In any case, that's all I really want to say about it. I'm not trying to categorize you by labeling you as a teenager. I'm trying to make sure you understand that learning is a journey, not an endpoint. You are early in that your journey, and I can assure you that you'll look back in a few years and be amazed at how much you've grown intellectually since what you are today. Provided, of course, that you keep an open mind. Opportunities for learning are everywhere, and some of the best ones (and, sadly, most missed ones) are made by listening carefully to intelligent people who hold viewpoints that you disagree with. My belief is that those who are already convinced they know the Truth are doomed to never find it.
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posted March 07, 2011 02:59 AM |
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What does all this have to do with the original post?
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1) who is responsible for these actions, Stanley or the Devil?
both and neither and either depending on the perception.
The devil did not put a gun to his head and force him so primarily the committee on a 97% base
2) what happens to Stanley's soul? does god forgive him or not?
hopefully he would not find a way to forgive himself
3) does Stanley's life as a good believer excuse his actions?
devout yet conflictual failure, is a scarey thing to think about.
4) does the Devil's control over you, even if that control was completely unwilling, taint your soul?
to permit a tainted touch of ones own decisions and murder are not easily comparable. Someone has to just do what they can with the day and their own reeaches to do the reality wise thing
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posted April 19, 2011 12:22 AM |
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*bump*
This was a profoundly interesting article recently published in Time Magazine (cover article) about the present and possible future of conservative Christianity. "Is Hell Dead?"
Thought you guys might enjoy.
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Elodin
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Bell is a deceived man who has rejected the teachings of Christ. Universal salvation is a lie. The man is a false teacher.
Jesus plainly said hell is everlasting punishment and that those who do not embrace the gospel will be damned.
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Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I see an attempt was made to contort the teachings of the Apostle Paul to say he was at odds with Jesus. That is a lie.
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Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
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Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The spiritual children of God are those who are led by the Spirit of God. As Jesus said, you MUST be born again through the Spirit. Paul said the same thing.
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Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
The article closes with the book of Revelation. Here are some things it says about eternity.
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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and snowmongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and snowmongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Jesus and his apostles warned of false teachers.
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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
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Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Corribus
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posted April 19, 2011 01:23 AM |
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I wasn't endorsing anything in the article, btw. I just thought it was an interesting read.
Just curious, Elodin - but have you read the book to which they were referring in the article? I was previously unfamiliar with it but I might like to take a look at it. I'm always interested in works that challenge existing dogma or establish new philosophies (for better or for worse).
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Elodin
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posted April 19, 2011 01:28 AM |
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I wasn't endorsing anything in the article, btw. I just thought it was an interesting read.
Just curious, Elodin - but have you read the book to which they were referring in the article? I was previously unfamiliar with it but I might like to take a look at it. I'm always interested in works that challenge existing dogma or establish new philosophies (for better or for worse).
I've not read his book. But I've seen interviews of him and read other articles about him.
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