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posted February 16, 2011 11:37 PM |
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Gen 15:13
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How they were warned in Gen 15 and Lev 18 what will they do in Joshua 11?
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Elodin
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posted February 17, 2011 12:08 AM |
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Gen 15:13
Lev 18:24
How they were warned in Gen 15 and Lev 18 what will they do in Joshua 11?
OK, I'll go through the verses again.
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Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
God promised Abraham the land of Cannan. But he said first the Jews would be in Egypt for 400 years because the people of Cannan had not reached the point where their wickedness was "full." At tha point he would free the Jews from Egypt and use them to judge the people of Cannan.
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Lev 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Lev 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
Lev 18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
Here God says don't be like the inhabitants of the land that I used you to judge or I will judge you too.
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Jos 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.
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Jos 11:23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war
God commanded the Jews to wipe out the inhabitants of the land because they were so wicked they made the Lord want to puke. Did you not know that it was Joshua that lead the Jews into the promised land? Here he is carrying out the judgement God had commanded.
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posted February 17, 2011 03:08 PM |
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what? christians still believe in the devil and hell? I didnt know that they still did that :S I remember that in school, we were teached that the devil was invented by the church to force people into christianity or something like that
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posted February 17, 2011 03:11 PM |
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Depends which one you ask. You can arbitrarily not take what you don't like. It's like a Chinese buffet, except without Chinese people that spend a grand total of 5 seconds giving you drinks and then expecting a tip at the end.
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posted February 17, 2011 06:03 PM |
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It is most likely the result of a psychological conflict, Stanley wants to look respectable to other people, but has to do efforts for it (it isn't spontaneous) thus, it creates a psychological conflicts that consumes his energy until it gets to the rupture point. then of course, after he has liberated all his frustration through this act, his need of respectability takes the upper hand again (I mean, for him, the most respectable thing to do is to confess his crime)
in the end, living in all this psychological confusion is too much to bear and he decides to suicide.
1) who is responsible for these actions, Stanley or the Devil?
Stanley of course. and possibly the community in which he lives, maybe they are intolerant towards non-believers?
2) what happens to Stanley's soul? does god forgive him or not?
it's a metaphysical question, I can't give an accurate answer to a question which isn't based on facts.
3) does Stanley's life as a good believer excuse his actions?
clearly not, it all depends on the point of view of the judge. as well as you calling him a good believer is only your opinion.
4) does the Devil's control over you, even if that control was completely unwilling, taint your soul?
it's metaphysical too
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posted February 18, 2011 01:45 PM |
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What is the difference, in regard to responsibility, of being born in a body that have been used to murder and watching murder in the television and then get zapped into the body that commited those murders?
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posted February 18, 2011 03:32 PM |
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Cable or Free TV? 
A child grows up watching mummy and daddy contstantly watching "Murder in any form with the latest special effects they'll pay to Watch...Season 21". This twig snaps and then the zap occurs.
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Elodin
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posted February 18, 2011 04:50 PM |
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Depends which one you ask. You can arbitrarily not take what you don't like. It's like a Chinese buffet, except without Chinese people that spend a grand total of 5 seconds giving you drinks and then expecting a tip at the end.
No. People who PRETEND to be Christians take what they want and leave the rest. Some of the pretenders are actually deluded into thinking they are Chrisitans. A strond delusion has come on them because of their rejection of the truth.
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posted February 18, 2011 05:17 PM |
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erm, there is no god or devil, so yeah, Stanley's fault. But, easy, he won't go to hell or heaven, neither of those exist..
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posted February 18, 2011 06:06 PM |
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Depends which one you ask. You can arbitrarily not take what you don't like. It's like a Chinese buffet, except without Chinese people that spend a grand total of 5 seconds giving you drinks and then expecting a tip at the end.
No. People who PRETEND to be Christians take what they want and leave the rest. Some of the pretenders are actually deluded into thinking they are Chrisitans. A strond delusion has come on them because of their rejection of the truth.
Your branch is not correct.
Or at the least, the other branches claim so 
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posted February 18, 2011 06:34 PM |
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btw, Elodin, do you eat shellfish?
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Elodin
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posted February 18, 2011 10:12 PM |
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btw, Elodin, do you eat shellfish?
No. But the Old Covenant ceremonial Law does not apply to Christians. Chrisitans live under the New Covenant brought about through Christ. Hence the name "Christian." [Covenant is the same word as "Testament."]
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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Keksimaton
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posted February 18, 2011 11:08 PM |
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Well, I think it's better to just say that since the Judeo Christian god is false, the Jews just made that "land vomiting" thing up because it sounded cool.
When it comes to the point of doubting if god is good and just without having been all that convinced of god to begin with, you'll propably be better off just ditching the whole Chrsitianity thing and find something that suits you better.
Unless of course you find some highly satisfying explanations. (Though I can't think of one more satisfying than: "It's poppycock")
Also, quite recently I've started going on a course on church history. Pretty much the first things we went through were the phases of Christianity forming from a Jewish "Jesus movement" into its own religious group. There apparently was a very split view among the apostles and Paul.
On one hand there was the Jewish Christian branch lead by Peter and some other guys who in fact did think that Christians should be circumcized on conversion and abide the Jewish decrees on cleanliness and food.
Paul was with the Hellenistic Christians who were mostly Greek speaking converts and didn't think it as an important thing to live abiding to the Jew stuff.
The Jerusalem based Jewish Christians kind of lost their influence on the way due to the people revolting against the Romans in their home area and the violence caused by that. I think some pretty important temple was destroyed there too. So it's through a "happy" coincidence that the Hellenistic branch lived on beyond the Jewish Christian branch and then eventually became what we know as Christianity today.
Though I think that the apostles did reach some conclusion on the matter, like through voting or something, but I'm not sure. My notes for that class are a bit lacking.
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posted February 18, 2011 11:21 PM |
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posted February 18, 2011 11:25 PM |
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Nah, it's just the thread developing.
The topic now is, does Elodin eat shellfish?
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posted February 21, 2011 10:08 AM |
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God used the nation of Israel to judge the surrounding nations when he gave Israel the promised land. The Bible says the people had become so wicked there that basicly it made God want to puke. The land "vomitted out" the inhabitants and the Jews replaced them.
The Jews were not allowed to take the promised land until the wickedness of the inhabitants was so bad that God was unwilling to tolerate it any longer. He gave them 400 years to repent. When their iniquity "was full" God freed the Jews from Egypt and moved them in to judge the inhabitants of Cannan.
Let me ask you this, if a father has two sons and one of the two sons does something wrong, does the father send the other son to punish the misbehavour of the first son or does he enact the punishment himself?
A supreme being able to snuff out galaxies on merest whim would most definitely not use a tribe of desert barbarians to enact his punishment. He also would most definitely not direct them to rape, murder, and enslave the punished. When you step back the picture becomes even clearer. Out of all the inhabitants of the entire world during that time period the only ones slated for salvation (according to bible) were the jews that followed his commandments. These were the self-same jews who, based on God's directives, subsequently went on a campaign of genocide and cultural extermination in the "holy" land. And then we're expected to believe that God is 'good' somehow.
That verse is pretty much the only proof needed to show that the first part of the bible was written by self-serving savages using divine pretext for their own wickedness.
and btw, I got that verse by, get this, reading the bible.
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posted February 21, 2011 02:42 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 14:53, 21 Feb 2011.
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@Elodin: How do you remember all the *Index*: "number":"nubmer"?
I have another questions too. And this time I'm serious:
1) How the religion and the Church explain the evolution of the man and all the ancient beast such as the dinosaurs? In the Bible God create everything in 6 days and rest on the 7th. But we all know that there were creature millions years before the humans, and that the human was a anthropoid ape few million years ago, and the man exist just as we know him from around 200 000 years. Before that there were no humans, as we know them now. If God created all the animals on day 3 or 4 (can't remember) and the man on day 6, why we now know that there were millions of years between the first man and the last dinosaur (for example)?
So what about this? Is there a mistake in the Bible? Or religion and the Church reject the existing of dinosaurs and the evolution (and how they actually do that, if they even do it, what with all the ancient bones and the anthropoid apes skeletons? Where they came from?)?
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posted February 21, 2011 02:57 PM |
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It's quite simply, I say in my much berating tone imaginable (imagine a little 5 year old is happy and sad). Any knowledge we pocess is derived through interpretation of data. All data we can ever access is gathered through our senses. We can always try to imbue our senses, but every measurement, if it's an emotion (or qualitative) or a number (or quantitative), always in the end goes through our senses to our brain.
As such, with an omnipresent all powerful being, every data that goes against the bible is of course put there to test our faith.
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posted February 21, 2011 06:52 PM |
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Can people not see that the church, religion(in addition to being a reflection of human fears of death), and other nonsense is just a mechanism devised by some individuals in the old times that have been in charge, to remain in it, through maiming and manipulating the clueless, simple, and uneducated masses of people to keep them under control?
The intriguing thing in terms of human mind is the fact that today, with science and general knowledge on a high level (regardless of its limits, they will always exist and this is no argument), so many "homo sapiens" are still of a strong belief in religion, god, and life after death...quite sad.
And a mixture of frustration and ironic amusement is given by the fact of how "powerful" the church is, and it is practically commonly considered wrong or aggressive to question it and state the truth about the absence of "paranormal" occurrences and beings.
Religion is the only unconfirmed and unproven idiotic theory that, paradoxically, is "protected" and invincible from criticism in a world of law(which also has flaws, yes) and evidence, istead of being seen as it is, unlogical and sociologically harmful.
Why is the subject of the truth about afterlife and religion being, simply, made-up, considered taboo worldwide?
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posted February 21, 2011 07:14 PM |
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Humans fear the unknown. By saying they don't, one is either out of touch with reality, or blatantly lying to cover his own insecurity. It's not "bravery", it's stupidity.
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