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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
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posted July 25, 2011 09:57 PM |
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Ha! Sunshine has 1up mushrooms.
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Aosaw
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Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted July 25, 2011 09:57 PM |
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Perhaps those were poor examples.
Although the fact that Majora's Mask also does not include Princess Zelda either doesn't really help its case as a Zelda game. 
I've been playing Mario Galaxy, and there are mushrooms. But maybe they don't exist in the same way. Never played Mario sunshine, but I don't really consider that a proper mario game.
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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted July 25, 2011 10:10 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 08:32, 26 Jul 2011.
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Hmm, kinda like how I don't consider M&M:H6 to be a proper HoMM game :/
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maddoctor
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posted July 26, 2011 08:21 AM |
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I think you people, as obviously hardcore as most of you seem, will still buy the game regardless of town screens. Nitpick all you want, petition all you want, but you'd probably still pick the game up and you know it. Know why? Because it doesn't really matter in the end. This game's still Heroes of Might and Magic, and the turn-based strategy, the adventure map, it remains largely unchanged.
I will buy the game, that's why I want to be sure that I've done everything that I can to ensure the game will be a quality product. And don't start with this cliché "the TS are not 50% of the game"...nobody says that TS make up the game!
I said it and I will say it again - I rather prefer no TS/TW at all instead of this silly pictures, they just don't fit with the rest of the game in any way! Think of it like putting some piece of a old news paper on top of the Mona Lisa  With the first sight you will know that something is wrong!! And you don't have to be a hardcore fan of Leonardo da Vinci to know that!!!
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Aosaw
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Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted July 26, 2011 08:33 AM |
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Yes, but naturally you're not a hardcore fan, because you don't own any of his paintings.
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Nelgirith
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Supreme Hero
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posted July 26, 2011 09:35 AM |
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@Aosaw : I'm not working in game developement, but in the software developement and while the costs are definately not the same, the way economics works in these domains are the same.
What can be fixed before the release doesn't cost any extra money because its costs are included in the general developement costs. What is fixed in patches post-release will cost extra hours and extra manpower to search for the bugs, to search how to fix them, to fix them and to create the patch.
The main difference between software developement and game developement is that in the software industry you have a final client who ordered the software for a fixed date and if it's not ready the developer has to pay penalties for each day of lateness (which are in fact deduced from the final bill) or has to reduce the bill for each missing feature.
In the game developement, there's no final client who will receive penalties, so technically, it wouldn't cost them "more money" to postpone the game by 2 weeks, 2 monthes or 2 years. Ofc, they could lose money from people who cancel their pre-order and it could impact on the value of their shares on the stock exchange, but does the M&M license have that much impact on Ubisoft compared to Assassin's Creed, the Tom Clancy license or sadly the Raving Rabids ? I doubt it ... though Ubisoft might change its mind after the excellent sales of Clash of Heroes which was one of their best-sellers this year.
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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted July 26, 2011 09:43 AM |
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Lousy animu sellouts *grumble*
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Dave_Jame
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Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted July 26, 2011 09:55 AM |
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I think you people, as obviously hardcore as most of you seem, will still buy the game regardless of town screens. Nitpick all you want, petition all you want, but you'd probably still pick the game up and you know it. Know why? Because it doesn't really matter in the end. This game's still Heroes of Might and Magic, and the turn-based strategy, the adventure map, it remains largely unchanged.
I'm very interested to hear you refute me saying I WONT BUY THIS GAME BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE 5 TOWN SCREENS I WANTED IN! You're all hilarious, I can't wait till this game is released with the same town screens and you all pick up copies and play me online, and you know what? It'll be like this petition never happened, it'll be like you never cared.
Actually you wise guy, I'm not buying the game because of many thing, and the TW is on of the bigger ones. I will play the game, but I will not buy it until it is worth my money and I'm not the only one. To be honest I had H5 and H5ToE preorderd more then 6 months before they even came out. And Guess why I do not take part on te public beta, because I do not have it preodered. SO there Are people, and there are not few of them, who will not buy the game for resons like "It lacks the Atmosphere of Heroes" and TS are a big part of the atmosphere.
And to be correct I spent 70% of the game in batle, 20% in town an 10v on the map. now tell me, what is the least important part of the game?
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We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
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maddoctor
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posted July 26, 2011 11:21 AM |
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Yes, but naturally you're not a hardcore fan, because you don't own any of his paintings.
Yes, but may be I own some replicas...does this count?
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted July 26, 2011 01:58 PM |
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Forgive me for the question but I've been out of the loop and can't find anything: have Ubisoft actually responded to this? I don't think we've had any kind of justification, but have they at least acknowledged what seems to me to be one of the few issues that people are rather unified on?
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted July 26, 2011 02:07 PM |
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They made it clear that improving the town windows until the release is out of the question and is not a priority but they said that they got the message. This means that we may get something better with the first expansion at the earliest.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 26, 2011 02:37 PM |
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If I'm not mistaken they were actually more forthcoming than that. I think they said that they were aware of the issue, but "sadly" were not able to fix it before original release. Now one may claim that that is a question of priority, but on the bottom line, I think it's safe to count on a patch of sorts changing this.
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What can be fixed before the release doesn't cost any extra money because its costs are included in the general developement costs. What is fixed in patches post-release will cost extra hours and extra manpower to search for the bugs, to search how to fix them, to fix them and to create the patch.
Excuse my ignorance, but postponing the game would cost exactly the same amount of man-hours as making a patch, I'd guess? I don't assume that the developers are on a time-infinite contract which only ends when the game is out, no matter the delay (and if they are, certainly there must be some sort of clause that give them the right to deny last-minute additional chores like this without extra payment). We're not talking something being dysfunctional, but the addition of a new task, so one way or the other, I'd assume postponing the game must cost UbiSoft money.
Another factor to take into account is how game is received when released. Reviews are not written after 5 patches, reviews are written when game comes out. If you release a lousy game, it'll get lousy reviews - and then it won't help you much that 6 months and 5 patchers later, game is great. So while postponing might cost money, I guess it'll have to be counterweighed also by that.
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Nelgirith
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Supreme Hero
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posted July 26, 2011 04:04 PM |
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Excuse my ignorance, but postponing the game would cost exactly the same amount of man-hours as making a patch, I'd guess? I don't assume that the developers are on a time-infinite contract which only ends when the game is out, no matter the delay (and if they are, certainly there must be some sort of clause that give them the right to deny last-minute additional chores like this without extra payment). We're not talking something being dysfunctional, but the addition of a new task, so one way or the other, I'd assume postponing the game must cost UbiSoft money.
Yes, it would cost the same amount of manpower and workhours, but anything that is done before the release date would be considered developement costs while anything done after would be considered maintenance costs.
Basically it all comes down to how the contracts were done, but if Ubisoft considers the game not to match what they ordered, they can postpone the game at BH's costs. Though since the game is developed under Ubisoft's control (the game is produced and designed by Ubisoft), Ubisoft would just be as faulty and as such, they could also take over additional costs for either fixing the game before the release of for patching the game after the release.
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Another factor to take into account is how game is received when released. Reviews are not written after 5 patches, reviews are written when game comes out. If you release a lousy game, it'll get lousy reviews - and then it won't help you much that 6 months and 5 patchers later, game is great. So while postponing might cost money, I guess it'll have to be counterweighed also by that.
If H6 is a failure like H5 was at its release, I highly doubt Ubisoft will be pushing the license any further, but I also doubt they're going to give the dev team any additional time 
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted July 26, 2011 04:12 PM |
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If I remember correctly Heroes V actually sold relatively well after the release, despite the heavy activity against the bug infestation and lack of polishing?
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Cepheus
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Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted July 26, 2011 04:24 PM |
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I think it actually exceeded Ubisoft's expectations. One source told me that it was the best-selling title in the history of the entire Might and Magic series.
Then again, that was their first shot with the MM brand, and a huge number of people were probably excited to see what they would produce. They can't automatically count on the same sort of hype for H6.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 26, 2011 04:30 PM |
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Basically it all comes down to how the contracts were done, but if Ubisoft considers the game not to match what they ordered, they can postpone the game at BH's costs.
Obviously, yes. My point is that along the way, UbiSoft must either have given BH free reigns on the matter or alternatively must have accepted their idea for Town Windows - and either way, I'm pretty sure if UbiSoft pops in now and say they want Town Screens instead (no matter how fancy or simply) they will have to cover for whatever man hours go into that. But anyway, we don't no the details, and they're perhaps not important either, I just wanted to have the matter clarified because it seems you sort of talked about two different things.
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One source told me that it was the best-selling title in the history of the entire Might and Magic series.
Might and Magic series, as in also including HoMaM? Because while I also heard that H5 was pretty succesfull, I doubt it sold as much as H3, which was after all voted Game of the Year and was massively succesfull.
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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted July 26, 2011 04:42 PM |
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Maybe H5 was the best-selling game because (computer)games usually become cheaper faster nowadays, and most people had to buy them?
No wait, there wasn't nearly as much piracy back in 1999. Never mind.
Maybe it's because it is a Russian-made game and hugely popular in both China and Russia?
I'm just speculating here.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted July 26, 2011 04:44 PM |
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Might and Magic series, as in also including HoMaM? Because while I also heard that H5 was pretty succesfull, I doubt it sold as much as H3, which was after all voted Game of the Year and was massively succesfull.
Yes, that's what I heard. It comes from someone on the inside, but it may be incorrect, of course. It was also supported by Marzhin's article (which is published under Ubisoft and more clearly biased).
Do remember though that H3 was released in 1999, back when even the most successful of videogames were setting new precedents selling anywhere above 2 million copies. By 2006 there was more of an industry, and more of a consumer base.
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted July 26, 2011 05:10 PM |
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It makes a lot of sense Heroes V to have better sales than Heroes III because Heroes III provided the fanbase for Heroes V, not the other way around. When the latter came out, the people were enthusiastic to see something new after the Heroes IV disappointment and it is safe to assume that the vast majority of the Heroes III fans (meaning the Heroes fans in general) + the newbies bought the game - hence the greater sales.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted July 26, 2011 06:44 PM |
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on the Sale topic, I must say that I would be surprised but not that much. Why?
Well I am working on a fansite as a writter and I also respond to the questions of players that appear there. It is not a big site like Age of heroes or celestial heavens but it is the biggest site in the region (Czech and Slovakai).
I must say a do see a lot of enthusiastic new young players that started on Heroes V. And also, last year, the most common question was "Where can I buy Heroes V ToE". It was a big surprise for me to finde out that the game was sold out. So I even if it is hard to understand for most oldfasion players, Heroes V did came out pretty well in thee end.
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