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A little hasty to say that, no?

The acid rain spell isn't to be neglected against set ups like those, nor is using spells like petrify/stasis against key shooters. Necro initiative isn't exactly high despite their superior damage output in some cases.

Let's wait awhile and see , shall we?

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I've got around 10-13 duels under my belt, I think, since the record tracking is somewhat lacking (by somewhat I mean very much so).

I have the exact same pacing regardless of which faction I play, be it inferno, necropolis, or stronghold. For me, it's easier to win as stronghold simply because it punishes a mistakes a lot easier with its heavy hitting units.

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I've got around 10-13 duels under my belt, I think, since the record tracking is somewhat lacking (by somewhat I mean very much so).

I have the exact same pacing regardless of which faction I play, be it inferno, necropolis, or stronghold. For me, it's easier to win as stronghold simply because it punishes a mistakes a lot easier with its heavy hitting units.

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Played 10 or so duels and this is what happens every time.  If I play against stronghold or necro I might as well give up (I play inferno).  They are way OP at the moment, while inferno is underpowered (due to useless fire area spells that deal 1k damage in TOTAL as opposed to each unit..)

Also played one game against sanctuary, not sure if it was typical but I lost as well, but not as badly as against necro/stronghold.

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I tried your tactical setup and it works good. Too good to be exact. 2 slaughter duels against humans. I predict they start copying this fast and it becomes a big scale balance issue

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The acid rain spell isn't to be neglected against set ups like those, nor is using spells like petrify/stasis against key shooters. Necro initiative isn't exactly high despite their superior damage output in some cases.

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Area affect spells are no problem for necro, their damage is not concentrated to the key creatures, while they fill up necromancy pretty fast, which can be targeted at key creatures. There is dispel and mass dispel for petrify/stasis and since vampires starts the necro lineup the player will have plenty of time to get its shooters back into the game. (Not saying/protecting that anything is imbalanced, just replying to those two ideas).

Right now the best counter seems to be a stronghold might hero with mass inner fire, it can kill the lamasu and block both necro shooters before necro can act. However the stronghold player has to guess right wich corner the necro player is in, and the necro player can change the setup of the creatures for this particular matchup as well.

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Didn't I just play you right now with Necropolis? And weren't you wasting turns nuking my stacks with fire spells and summoning gates right next to my units? Or was that someone else?

My point isn't to be insulting but to say there are a lot of options that need to be explored, while Stronghold is 'easier' by feeling I don't really consider being 'easier' as overpowered as it may mean that in higher tier games Stronghold may actually be on the losing side most of the time despite their relatively low skill ceiling.

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While I think the set up is strong, I believe the tools to counter it are still within the grasp of the supposedly weakest faction 'Inferno'.

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500-700 damage isn't something you can shrug off

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The weakness of Necro is generally not about what you start with but when.

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500-700 damage isn't something you can shrug off

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It sounds good theoretically, but that 500-700 (lets count with 770) is about 270 and 380 on the two necro shooters, and a 'wasted' turn on the hero.

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That is ture but other than for stronghold (+might), is it possible to utilise it? For most of the factions, even if their shooters have the first shot they will not win the ranged battle.

If meditation worked, it would be an interesting addition though.

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couldnt test this setups and its counters :-(

but i have a few questions:

- as u have calculated the range-dam of stronghold with a might hero, have u taken the harphies in there?
- WHY are u all speaking of killing the lamacuns(?) fast? do u think, they are such dangerous?
- are u all sure, there is no opinion for strong (phanters?)with tactics II and maybe boots with +1 combat movement and maybe masshaste or mass inner fire ore rush or other skills/ spells to block opponent shooters?

and another question:
- are u all totally sure, that inferno is that weak? think of a "real" online game and not only these op duells :-)

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I have tested almost every strat imaginable with inferno against necro with a friend.  Blood, tears, aggressive, passive, spell-heavy...nothing works against a normal necro player.  You do not have to be skilled to use spectre and heal-kill all inferno units lol.

After 20 or so online games now, the only time I have won against necro using inferno was when my opponent made horrible mistakes (not protecting his lich...) and didn't even use the "hide shooters in a corner" strategy as someone mentioned.  And EVEN THEN I only won by spamming petrify on his weaver unit...something is wrong when I don't even bother to get fire magic anymore as it's completely useless.  The morale boost doesn't help much when your units start with crap morale.

Bottom line: there needs to be effective and efficient fire AOE spells to penalize people for placing troops all together.  The only AOE spell I find effective right now is poison storm..and that doesn't work on necro.

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