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posted August 09, 2012 05:22 PM |
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I restarted 3 times on hard as the Date', and lost the the first battle EVERY time, then I restarted normal as the chosokabe, and found that it's a very good way to begin, still have some brutal battles, (suffer heavy losses against a far larger army) but overall I end up on top.
Currently trying to master sea warfare. (since I need to have a powerful navy to advance my interests)
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Adrius
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posted August 10, 2012 05:06 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 15:37, 11 Aug 2012.
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Am I wrong or does quantity > quality?
Upgrading your samurai seems inferior to having a few extra units of Ashigaru really.
In fact Ashigaru own pretty damn hard, I just send a Hero unit with them to make them unbreakable when the situation gets rough.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 10, 2012 09:17 PM |
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I find that my Ashigaru flee far too much, though maybe having an army of them will somehow inspire? In the campaign I have 8 groups of Samurai archers, two katana samurai groups, and two ashigaru infantry, though I'm working on getting them replaced with some naginata samurai
I've never had my samurai flee, while I once had 50% of my ashigaru force just flee from a cavalry charge  YOU'RE SPEARMEN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
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posted August 11, 2012 07:59 AM |
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Yes, the ashigaru don't really have excellent morale. On the other hand, I see not need to go for samurai-only army - it's slow to produce and in the end not much better than a samurai-ashigaru mix. The samurai archers in particular are about on a par with their ashigaru counterparts and only perform slightly better in melee. With the cavalry being more vulnerable to spearmen than ever, the regular ashigaru do quite well for their price too. Ultimately however, the katana and naginata samurai will tear through the ashigaru with ease so you can't rely on them too much. In short - mix them. 
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posted August 11, 2012 01:24 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 13:24, 11 Aug 2012.
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Mori Wako Raiders...mwahahahaa.
A just slightly worse Samurai unit that has ninja hiding skills and can deploy on the other side of the map?
These guys are way too much fun.
Pirates > Ninjas.
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Adrius
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posted August 12, 2012 08:04 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 20:05, 12 Aug 2012.
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"**** it let's try some online matches*
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"What is this? Only Bear Infantry? Effing guns and ****? SHAMEFUR DISPRAY! I WILL TEACH YOU SAMURAI HONOA!"
*fires arrows*
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*enemy continues marching forward*
*begins firing into my lines*
"WTF they hit hard, **** YOUR WESTERN TOYS. SAMURAI CHAAAAAARGE! I BERIIVE IN YOU TOM CRUIIIIISE"
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*gets slaughtered in melee by bear infantry*
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****.
**** **** ****.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 12, 2012 08:41 PM |
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The match-making is pretty bad, at level one I was vs a lvl 10 who had a super general with katana samurai and match-lock samurais.
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Adrius
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posted August 12, 2012 08:43 PM |
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Bear Infantry is apparently just standard FOTS units though, like their equivalent of Ashigaru.
Wish there was an option to not get paired with such players. All matchlocks is pretty boring.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 12, 2012 08:54 PM |
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I also played a siege battle, the enemy not only got 8500 tickets each (defenders got 5000) they had cannons mounted on hills far out of range, since forts are tiny and fragile all the two German opponents did is just bombard us with cannons, my army was 90% down, before they finally attacked. Charging out would've been suicide, cannons and matchlocks not to mention out-numbered almost 2-1, but waiting was even worse, my army was shredded and there was NO cover at all.
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Adrius
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posted August 12, 2012 10:15 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 12, 2012 10:29 PM |
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Wait, wait, wait, so people with expansions and extra units can engage in battle with those who don't? I'm so dumb, so that's what it was.
I like the idea since finding an opponent is much quicker, but kinda leaves you handicapped to units and tactics that you're not used to. I totally agree with the guy, tactics overcome any odds. But I can relate to people with frustrations over this.
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Adrius
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posted August 12, 2012 10:35 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 22:56, 12 Aug 2012.
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Indeed they can.
I'd appreciate the ability to at least know what kinda army my opponent is using, like, not EXACTLY what units he's using, but at least what expansion army he's using.
An army designed to beat a FOTS army might get its ass handed to it by a S2TW army, for instance.
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Ah wait, that's what the "allow mixed avatars" option is for: it lets your S2 army face FOTS armies.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 12, 2012 11:00 PM |
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Ahhh, never understood what it meant, though to be fair I'm still very green in the multiplayer department, played like 5-6 games online (lost them all) and I'm only on my first proper play-through, while on other TW games I never even touched MP.
Takes getting used to, and I'd dread to think of the outcome if I played a multiplayer match on MTW while still on my first play-through.
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Adrius
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posted August 12, 2012 11:13 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 23:13, 12 Aug 2012.
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We can play sometime if ya want, I'm adrius910 on Steam
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 13, 2012 12:17 AM |
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That was, interesting. (referring to the 1000 matchlock hoes)
First battle was nice and indecisive, 'till my damn general got injured as Ad redirected some spear troops to him. My army was split so I had to keep my general moving to restore morale, he didn't die, but his injury was enough to completely demoralize my entire army, which was a damn shame, since they were holding out pretty nicely.
Second battle was a nice but really hard to control snowy map, with two hills and a valley in the middle, we both set up our forces, but Ad chose to advance, while I tried to make a decent defensive position, with yari samurai and monks defending the flanks of my archers and katana samurai. Then Ad launched his horsemen directly at my left flank with archers shooting and his army stationary. Then I realized I have a wako raider army in meh ass. Didn't expect them, Ad's army seemed to be big enough, so silly of me, my bow-men put up a fight as ad launched his full army at me, I was screwed by my folly. Bloody going to buy some ninjas next, and assassinate Ad's general  .
Edit: can't locate the damn replays 
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Adrius
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posted August 13, 2012 01:50 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 01:52, 13 Aug 2012.
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If you had advanced as I intended in our first vs match, you would've gone for the west hill to try and gain a heigh advantage while I seized the east one. Then, I would've attacked with my Raiders from behind that hill and caused a morale breakdown as your army was flanked from all directions.
You chose to rely on your superior range instead and remained beneath my hill though, effectively neutralizing my height advantage.
It was very close, chain-routing can be a b****.
I'm definitely going to keep using the Wako Raiders, though that particular trick in the second game probably won't fool you again ^^
EDIT:
C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\The Creative Assembly\Shogun2\replays
Hidden files though, gotta enable show hidden files to find em.
I only saved our second vs game.
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posted August 13, 2012 01:53 AM |
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I only saved the first ^^.
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Adrius
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posted August 13, 2012 01:56 AM |
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Want me to upload it?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 13, 2012 01:57 AM |
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Sure, not quite sure how though.
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Adrius
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posted August 13, 2012 02:00 AM |
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Ad VS Ivor Match 2
Ya gotta enable show hidden files in the control panel, and then drop the file in the directory I posted earlier.
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