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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted April 19, 2001 05:44 AM |
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Herr Schmeigel
Oh my, it is Prometheus. Long time no hear. Nothing about hit and run discussion here, for I dont care for rules one way or another, and just play the game.
Just wanted to say, whats up prometheus? Playing any homm3?
(Good to hear from you 
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dargon
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2001 08:14 AM |
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Just wanted to say...prometheus...very intelligent and well thought out opinion
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arachnid
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2001 10:17 PM |
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The cows all came home days ago
Wow! Ive never played Heroes on the net before but boy have you all put me right off it!!! Are we talking about the same game with its cute graphics and sounds????? I dont really think it was designed for really serious gaming i mean to me its just a bit of fun.If it was made for tournaments then you would not have to add rules to the game and they would be much less complaints about unfair maps. People seemed to of talked till the cows came home over a tiny tiny part of the game. I mean so much has been said your basically repeating yourselves. For those that are still arguing that hit and run should be banned well maybe yous should find another game to play if it bothers you that much.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted April 20, 2001 04:06 AM |
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Bug's Life
Of course you are right Arachnid but the board is important for people to post their views in a moderated environment. If these issues don't get spoken of then they tend to build up and get ugly.
Noone is going to change anyone's opinion here but by conversing (sometimes to death) we sometimes learn the motivations behind the reasoning of our opponents and learn that there are humans on the other end of the line and not just heroes.
The game is ideal for tournament play and just because it is a tournament does not mean anyone takes it "seriously". It's just fun and we all desire to be good at it so we blabber a lot in here.
As for the part about "if they don't like hit and run then find another game", that is no better than all the namecalling they do to those of us who use the tactic.
There is no reason why they should not play the game with their own rules if it adds to their pleasure.
Pro was so right when he said what we need is more tolerence for other's views and I am glad the thread has ran 5 pages because I for one am still learning here.
-Mocara
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Defreni
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 20, 2001 01:17 PM |
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Well Mocara, actually it is possible to change peoples opinion 
I for one, dont like H&R, and for quite some time Ive been happy when people said to me before a game, btw no H&R. But this thread has actually made me change my mind, and from now on I will play with no rules
But dont really expect to get many games that way anyhow 
Defreni
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Columbus
Hired Hero
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posted April 20, 2001 01:44 PM |
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Rules
I very much incline towards playing without rules
I played someone the other day and got a list of no log, no 3rd, no dip etc
Then the first thing he did was send up a warlock with 5 trogs in separate stacks. Now if he'd caught my main that's a lot of magic arrows - i probably would have lost nearly all my ranged attackers (about 10 elves)
It seemed to me unfair because I had accepted a long list of restrictions (presumably to stop cheesy tactics) and the first thing he did was even cheesier!
Now don't get me wrong - he's a fun player and I'm enjoying playing him but I want to make the point that if you insist on lots of rules your opponent is going to be rather thrown when you do something that's not in the script. And at the end of the day I'd rather play someone who does something different than just do the "level 7 in week one build for 3 weeks then big fight" every time I play
I do sympathise to some extent with Jinxer and Jex - I would not like to play for 5 hours and then not have a fight! But I think that making rules is more trouble than it's worth for both players
Columbus
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted April 21, 2001 08:16 AM |
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Herr Schmeigel
Hi Vesuvius. Its good to hear from you. Of course you have exceeded anyone's imaginings with the success of ToH. I spent the last 6 months playing EQ. I'm playing H3 again yes, a little. When IV hits I'll be playing much more, along with everyone else. See you around.
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(Prometheus is a league commentator and Heroes veteran who is best known as the only player who has actually been dismissed by his own HEROES)
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discmana
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Disgraceful
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posted April 21, 2001 08:38 AM |
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hit and run
Hit and run sucks when they hit your 7 lev critters just 2 bring them down when they know the game is lost if i must play that way 2 win id never play the game is fun not points or rank some dont rember fun just points and rank and making buds that u like 2 play .
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deth8
Promising
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posted April 21, 2001 10:39 PM |
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are we headed for round two?
Round two discmana brings it on....lol.
Mocara I also know of others who have changed their opinions on the H/R that were heavy rule makers before.
Sad thing their town came under attack and their only resort was going to hit their attacker as they came to assult them.....like any army might do I would think. Well, that person....not a hit and runner per say got the emotional snot knocked out of him for it. No agreements made prior and there you have the real problem I think. 
Pandora made some great comments about not treating others poorly if there is a problem you have with them. Kindly talking things out or at least letting someone know your beliefs up front is a much more honorable thing in my opinion.
I am learning at this board alot too.
-dEth8@discussionisgood.com
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted April 21, 2001 10:39 PM |
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"hit and run sucks"
Yet another compelling intelligent comment from the rulemakers on why total tactics aren't good.
We have just learned that "hit and run sucks".
We need more intelligent comments like this from the rulemakers.
-Mocara
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Maxym
Known Hero
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posted April 22, 2001 04:47 AM |
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To Defreni...
I think i have said this before on this boards that i play with no rules except for H&R. I am still not sure why, maybe coz i play random towns and heroes and don't like to be hit and run when i am a slower town.
On the other hand I have defended the H&R as legitimate tactic here and I will always agree to H&R if my opponent wants it. What is even more surprising I have realised that some of my most intense and fun games were the ones with Hit and Run
It's true, I have had some amazing games defending against H&R, or turning the tables and HRing myself
But on the other hand I have had a great game with Crash Jones where although we did not make any rules before the game, and i was outnumbered and outspelled and had 1 Archangel from camp to his Adevils I agreed not to hit and run him at that point. I had a 1600 damage lightning (my best offensive spells from 3 lv5 guilds. If i decided to hit and run the game would be over in a day with his army reduced to shambles before i run out of movement.
I spent almost entire week trying to get better spells and higher stats while avoiding his superior army in the midle of BoB. I got my stats up, outmanouvered him and made a run for his town to get his production and spells. And... he TPed home bought new army and attacked me same day (1) with an army even bigger then i was afraid of before. The battle was intense and very close and the win one of the most satisfying I have ever had.
So I guess what i am trying to say here: different strokes for different folks. But let's all try it both ways coz this games is so much fun any way you slice it Maybe u will discover H&R can be fun or that having this rule enhances the game too.
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"What is life? Work followed by television."
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dEth8
Promising
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posted April 24, 2001 10:29 AM |
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Maxym, your Asimov paraphrase is thought provoking every time I see it. Just wanted to let you know.
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted April 25, 2001 08:29 AM |
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amazing and impressive wit
Thanks Dargon.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted April 25, 2001 12:35 PM |
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Hail all ye rule makers. I just converted another soul to your clan
Jarviss tells me Fran7738 is a "great guy" so when he asked me to play I was quick to accept. I checked his record and seen he had like 70 games so I figured he would be an OK player.
He insisted upon 2 min turns which I loathe but I agreed.
We chose boomerang..he was red and chose conflux. Anyone who knows this map knows this is an unbeatable combination but I always enjoy a good challenge.
I equipped my scouts and headed out easily thwarting him for the middle.
Middle town was tower so I built the guild w/lil resistance and sent swarms of heroes into his land w/7 gargoyles each and chain lightning,meteor shower,etc.
I was surprised when he did not come at me w/scouts baring 7 magic elementals or 7 stacks of storm elementals to kill my gargoyles cold. I wanted to tell him "Hey man ...this is easily stopped." but I didn't want to insult.
By sending in more heroes in day after day eventually I was able to see the entire map by week4.
What really made me reallize this would be an easy win was the way he used his main hero(who got some relics in the water) to kill my scouts. I continually sent in 3-4 a day just to make him waste his time and take back his own mines while I raised Pyre to level 21 through fighting and such (had to equalize those relics somehow).
Anyway to make a long story short I kept my chain set up to funnel troops down to the tower if he ever came calling. It took SOOOOOOO long I almost considered going down to kill him but only a fool would walk up to a comflux with spell pwr 14. He could have hit and ran me and I wasn't about to let that happen.
So I waited.
And got bored.
And greedy.
And sent Pyre up north to up a few more levels. Hey she is not a homebody. Sittin in the tower was getting her bored.
Wouldn't you know it as soon as I was past the point where he could beat me there he picks this time to attack.
I rush back knowing I can trap him in the town and kill him w/my dungeon troops(9 blackies etc).
I guess he wasn't thinking because he trumped my bonehead move by moving one space out of the town.
I took it back and thought I'd drop some chain lightning flavuh on him more for fun than anything else. You know how conflux troops are. Can't hit them w/much. Especially not chain lightning because they all have different resistances and my spell power was a meager 7. 14/17/7/7 were my stats.
Anyway after killing almost none of his troops doing this I sat in my castle hoping he would attack and get this tedium over with.
Sometimes I hit someone like that just to demoralize them so they will make a bad move.
When he attacked I laughed because my first move was to wipe out his catapult.
Apparently he had expert earth because he cast a massve implosion on my minataur kings and then on my scopiocores. When I was down to black dragons he started summoning sets of 42 earth elementals.
Oh man I was so dead. I flew around to avoid them with my dragon stacks while my turrets hit them meagerly. Finally he concedes the game reallizing he will never corner my dragons w/a speed 4 creature and it will take 10 hours for my turrets to win this.
He tells me what he learned from this game is from now on to make a rule on hit and run.
Yes indeed. Make a rule about it. I tried and tried to explain all the easy ways he could have stopped it but it was like I was speaking Malaysian or something.
Don't hire magic elementals to stop it.
Don't use storm elementals to kill my gargoyles on my scouts.
Just make a rule. That way you can assure you never figure it out.
Stay dumb and talk about the time you got hit and ran.
I could cop Zud's rule and say I'll never play this cat again but instead I will play him w/o total tactics. On whatever rules he needs to even the playing field.
And I will whoop him again.
And when he needs a new rule I'll honor that one too.
And if he runs out of rules maybe he can just pick poor maps and build up and have one big battle at the end so he won't have to worry about pesky scouts stealing his mines all the time.
Anyway, chalk one more up for the rulemakers.
Thanks a lot Jarviss :-)
-Mocara
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jex
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posted April 26, 2001 01:12 PM |
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Plz stop calling urself
'total tactics players' when you use hit and run. Your elimanting half the game. The fight screen!!!!
I like the chess like movenments of the fight screen. You are definitely not using all the tactics of the game when you dont bother to actually use the fight screen. I think there are many more tactics used in this part than on the map part. After all their are only about 10 spells allowed to be used in the map part and how many in a battle???
So you are definitely NOT TOTAL TACTICS people!!!!
You play with half the game. Not the better half in my opinion
JEx
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Jex
Known Hero
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posted April 26, 2001 01:43 PM |
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lol nice story
I just read the first half of ur post Mo nice story.
I came up with another reason why dont like playing Hit and Run. It is tooo boring. To just sit there and wait and wait and wait. Thats too exciting for me you guys can keep it to yourselves
I did sit and wait versus 3Lion. But only cause it was an important game and I had matching castles, however if he made me wait another week I would have went for him. And if the game wasnt important than I would have went for him even sooner rather than exploiting my advantage. Call me a sucker for close games....
Jex
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jex
Known Hero
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posted April 26, 2001 04:25 PM |
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I lied....
For that I am sorry, but I am sick and tired of listening to you 'total tactics' people talk about how great you are for using using H&R. And ragging on people that hate H&R and what it does to our favorite game. Calling them teenagers just cause they called you a coward
I am sure you have been called a coward b4, and will be again when you use such tactics.
Why cause H&R is a cowardly tactic. B4 you post a reply flaming me again! Plz read the rest of my post.
Well I know that is my opinion. And I reach this conclusion by your own admission. My definition of coward is a person who runs from a fight. Note the key word in there RUNS. By your own admission you guys hit and RUN!! What do cowards do?? They RUN. I know I am not the only one with this definition so I am sure other people will call you cowards in the future, for using this tactics.
Now I am not calling you cowards in real life just saying that by my definition, your tactics are cowardly.
My definition of a person that is honorable, is someone who doesn't run from a fight. But they are brave(the opposite of cowardly).
So plz stop flaming people for calling you guys cowards. Most of them seem to be newbies that thought ToH was a place where honorable brave souls gathered to play Heroes.
But that would be Blastards.
Hmmm maybe we should switch names.
Plz remember these are my opinions when you flame
Jex
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Phantom1500
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 26, 2001 09:27 PM |
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Man, has there ever been another high ranked player who has snowed so much about absolutely everything in toh. Maybe it is your time to retire while still on top. Before the "total tactics" people come out to get you.
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3lionshield
Hired Hero
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posted April 26, 2001 09:40 PM |
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Jex
Known Hero
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posted April 26, 2001 09:51 PM |
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Nice comback
ouch plz stop your hurting my feelings.
In the words of Mocara what an insightful remark to make.
Sheesh here I am excepting someone to say something smart about how hit and run is soo good or it is part of the game so I use it. But noooo I just find people attacking my person
Plz take your insightful comments else wheres, they are being wasted here.
If you note I try not to attack you guys personally. Very Hard to do, but I did try to.
You consider whining it when I am say how I want to play the game. sad
I dont call you guys whiners for going on about how much you hate rules. Heck I didnt put a signature that insults people who makes rulez, unlike some here
Jex
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