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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:11 PM |
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"Hey everyone likes dragons. we gotta base everything on dragons."
Lol, this is soooo true!
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War-overlord
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posted October 11, 2012 07:12 PM |
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No that isn't an NWC source, it's a bunch of speculation. in fact Marzhin is on Ubisoft's payroll if I'm not totally mistaken.
Have you any idea who Marzhin is?
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Doomforge
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posted October 11, 2012 07:13 PM |
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Don't get me wrong, I hated sexualized she-elves, but I like "race" themes. However,
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most of the creatures were from greek mythology
Not most. Three (Medusa, Minotaur, Harpy). There's also 0 connection between them (why do they work together? How is this "a town"?)
Manticore is Persian mythology
Dragons, based on how they were portrayed, are based on Welsh folklore (Greek dragons were snake-like iirc)
Troglodytes are what people imagined to live in far lands - they are not part of the mythology, but part of Greco-Roman geographical texts (and middle-aged folklore that followed, eventually)
Beholders are ripped off Dungeons and Dragons (it's their iconic creature).
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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:16 PM |
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Don't get me wrong, I hated sexualized she-elves, but I like "race" themes. However,
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most of the creatures were from greek mythology
Not most. Three (Medusa, Minotaur, Harpy).
Manticore is Persian mythology
Dragons, based on how they were portrayed, are based on Welsh folklore (Greek dragons were snake-like iirc)
Troglodytes are what people imagined to live in far lands - they are not part of the mythology, but part of Greco-Roman geographical texts (and middle-aged folklore that followed, eventually)
Beholders are ripped off Dungeons and Dragons (it's their iconic creature).
Manticores are close to its brother chimera.
Beholders and evil eyes were meant to become argus panoptles
the Dragon can be ladon.
The blind troglodytes are based on some greek mythology creature + the blind stygian hags.
There you have it, greek mythology inspired.
They were the army creatures, there were also the heroes, you forget about the heroes, so the creature line-ups doesn't need to be explaned, the heroes controlled them.
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posted October 11, 2012 07:19 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 19:22, 11 Oct 2012.
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1. I love greek mytholgoy I was defending it.
2. Sexy units are cool (succubus/naga other creatures that makes sense being sexy) but if used in every single town (they even tried to make centaurs and harpies a little bit sexy) it starts to bore me, it starts to annoy me and its gets pathetic, like only non-mature sexistic males play this game... I would like have seen the harpy and centaur more monstrous, the naga/medusa should be ugly, really dislike that unit, and two water based sexies in one town is too much, also now the dungeon town (and underground sunless town) also gets its freaking sexy woman in it... i've already seen the sexy mages and genies coming in and whats next? sexy dwarves and sexy werewolves?
What I mean to say is; why most female units always are half naked, snowty or pretty? I rather see some good cool female units, who are dressed properly and have some nice abilities instead of 10 succubi like units that make the succubus rather useless.
centaurs are monstrus already(zoom in), harpies have tallons instead of feet and no hands. yes the have boobies but still a pair alone is not sexy.(also the lore states that they were created for "playthings")
priestesses don't have hair but snakes. also no booty and they are decent.
succubi are sexy because after all they are temptresses from hell.
if sexist males played that game they would be furious about the number of female units.
also dungeon will probably have one female troop, one male and the rest will be monsters. elves do dress lightly. whether we like it or not.
djinni are just spirits from the desert. less clothing is mandatory.
more female troops maybe more female fans. and you are overanalysing the "sexy" thing. relax it's a game. and i assure you it will be very very very very long time till we see another fire female creature no point in arguing from now about something we haven't seen.
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Verriker
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posted October 11, 2012 07:21 PM |
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yeah I read that he's an old fan of the old stories. He made Legends of the Ancients.
That doesn't mean he is not going to defend Ubisoft, and it doesn't suddenly make him the voice of NWC, or does it?
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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:22 PM |
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Long time? The valkyrie is fiery and probably sexy.
And sexy doesn't need to mean picture perfect, just look at sheeva from mortal kombat for example, a 4 armed pretty ugly creature that many man use in erotic art and are having fantasies about, same can be said by hilde a centaur maiden. Its dirty but true, while the centaur and harpy may not seem sexy to you they are meant to be sexy in their own perverse ways.
Mostly I talk about boobs and faces which appear picture perfect, the harpies face should be like an old grandma like in homm3. Haglike, and they could have turned the glory in armor.
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posted October 11, 2012 07:23 PM |
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What I mean to say is; why most female units always are half naked, snowty or pretty? I rather see some good cool female units, who are dressed properly and have some nice abilities instead of 10 succubi like units that make the succubus rather useless.
You're right about that. The succubus was one of the most clothed females in Heroes VI
But I still think the visual aesthetics of the Heroes VI Dungeon Faction show promise. Yes, they will probably have sexy females, but from what I have seen, their designs will be more sleek and beautiful, rather than the Heroes V Dark Elves having each female be an SM dominatrix wearing high heels in a cavern.
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Doomforge
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posted October 11, 2012 07:26 PM |
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There you have it, greek mythology inspired.
No, it's a massive stretch.
Manticore and Chimaera are not "related" in any way. They were thought up in various parts of the world - the fact they look alike doesn't mean much (if they wanted to have a theme, they would indeed name them Chimaeras
It's NOT ladon dragon. This is what ladon dragon looks like:
It's more like a hydra. Definitively has nothing in common with HoMM3 dragon (and HoMM dragons in general).
and this is welsh dragon:
It's OBVIOUS which folklore is the HoMM dragon taken from.
Beholders are still named beholders (which is an iconic D&D creature) and they are single-eyed laser casting monsters.
Troglodytes also aren't exactly from mythology, you know...
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They were the army creatures, there were also the heroes, you forget about the heroes, so the creature line-ups doesn't need to be explaned, the heroes controlled them.
So you're saying that a few warlocks made those underground castles massive town halls, taverns, buildings and everything else?
That's precisely why I like HoMM5-6 style of "races". It explains that they used Minotaurs as slaves, for instance. It has some logic behind it.
It's undeniable that Dungeon of Homm3 is just random mass of various creatures. Hey, it doesn't mean that I didn't like it (although I preferred Fortress&Tazar), but it's just very, very randomly created
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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:27 PM |
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Edited by samir at 19:31, 11 Oct 2012.
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I just wish they will take the UNDERground theme serious in the next games. No more sexy females, no more sm mistress no more dark elves.
A child could see that troglodytes suit the underground theme perfectly, also a child would rob warhammer if it hadn't imagination of its own.
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Uhm, there weren't only warlocks in dungeon.
Also they could give each faction actually more than 6 creatures, like 9 creatures, 3 race based units and 6 trapped, enslaved, befriended humanoids/monsters that happen to liveo n the same tiles.
That would have pleased me much better, now the humanoid race folk destroy spots for unique monsters, and they are very very very very very cheap with neutral units, only elementals and the same overused death knights and stuff, I rather see more neutrals or what I descriped above.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 11, 2012 07:28 PM |
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Ehem, sorry to be the big jerk and everything, but this thread is for the expansion, not complaints about Ubisoft's handling of the world or how "HoMM X" is better than "HoMM Y." If you want a thread for this discussion, please find one of the many that exist in this forum or the 6+ forum. Unless you have something to say pertaining to the Heroes of Might and Magic 6 expansion, please don't make any further arguments. 3 pages of off-topic bickering is enough, thank you.
Now, we don't have a confirmed creature lineup yet so all this angst about "Sexy female units" in the H6 Dungeon lineup is as of now not valid. I fully expect some kind of scantily clad female caster, though. Mah Matriarchs better not hide all their eye candy. But seriously with the current art style I do expect them to be good looking, but also a bit more conservative than in H5. ((Example of what I mean: H5 Succubus vs. H6 Lillim. Naked vs. Armored)) And there will be at least one female dark elf, since their society is Matriarchal and their most powerful members are actually women (except for the Warlocks (Or in H6 terms Sorcerers/ Sorceresses) who are the top tier and both male and female).
Edit: Dear lord you people are post ninjas...
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ChrisD1
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posted October 11, 2012 07:29 PM |
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Long time? The valkyrie is fiery and probably sexy.
And sexy doesn't need to mean picture perfect, just look at sheeva from mortal kombat for example, a 4 armed pretty ugly creature that many man use in erotic art and are having fantasies about, same can be said by hilde a centaur maiden. Its dirty but true, while the centaur and harpy may not seem sexy to you they are meant to be sexy in their own perverse ways.
Mostly I talk about boobs and faces which appear picture perfect, the harpies face should be like an old grandma like in homm3. Haglike.
valkyrie is fortress. fortress might not even make it to expansion.
the matter is do you have fantasies with the female units? if not and if they are not that distracting i suggest you leave it alone and probably strong female warriors need less clothing in order to fight better. we are overanalyzing this again. and yes in most games and in hollywood everything is picture perfect. this is another issue that needs not discussion here.
P.S. in heroes 3 harpies had cleavage and their face wasn't old like. smooth milky skin
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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:34 PM |
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DO we talk about the same harpies? The homm3 harpies are ugly! And that is what they SHOULD be.
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Doomforge
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posted October 11, 2012 07:35 PM |
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Ehem, sorry to be the big jerk and everything, but this thread is for the expansion, not complaints about Ubisoft's handling of the world or how "HoMM X" is better than "HoMM Y." If you want a thread for this discussion, please find one of the many that exist in this forum or the 6+ forum. Unless you have something to say pertaining to the Heroes of Might and Magic 6 expansion, please don't make any further arguments. 3 pages of off-topic bickering is enough, thank you.
It's perfectly okay to discuss other dungeon towns in HoMM franchise in a thread about an expansion that adds a dungeon town to a HoMM game Comparisons and speculation are welcome.
Also, please don't do backseat moderating
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ChrisD1
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posted October 11, 2012 07:38 PM |
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DO we talk about the same harpies? The homm3 harpies are ugly! And that is what they SHOULD be.
clevage, smooth skin. the teeth are just teeth, like the centaurs that have uglier teeth if you notice. again, nomatter how the dungeon was, it will be different. end of story, and only after we see how it will be, only then we can argue and discuss about the female units.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 11, 2012 07:40 PM |
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Also, please don't do backseat moderating
But it's so much fun!
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posted October 11, 2012 07:42 PM |
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yeah I read that he's an old fan of the old stories. He made Legends of the Ancients.
That doesn't mean he is not going to defend Ubisoft, and it doesn't suddenly make him the voice of NWC, or does it?
Marzhin is the second greatest font of knowledge of the Old Continuum. The only one with greater knowledge is the one who created everything. Marzhin may well be the only one with such an extensive combined knowledge of things old. If there is anyone fit to judge the Old Continuum, it is Marzhin. He is not just some fanfic writer.
And yes, he does work for Ubisoft now. But read interviews with him. He is very critical of the new continuum. Just as he is of the old.
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samir
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posted October 11, 2012 07:42 PM |
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DO we talk about the same harpies? The homm3 harpies are ugly! And that is what they SHOULD be.
clevage, smooth skin. the teeth are just teeth, like the centaurs that have uglier teeth if you notice. again, nomatter how the dungeon was, it will be different. end of story, and only after we see how it will be, only then we can argue and discuss about the female units.
She looks just like my grandma.
Much better than those warcraft wannabees they used in homm6.
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posted October 11, 2012 07:45 PM |
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DO we talk about the same harpies? The homm3 harpies are ugly! And that is what they SHOULD be.
Mmmmm... sexy harpies.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 11, 2012 07:45 PM |
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She looks just like my grandma.
Your grandmother has wings, pointy teeth and a low quality animation?  What an awful thing to say...
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Much better than those warcraft wannabees they used in homm6.
Since I just finished playing through Warcraft 3 and its expansion, and that is the first Warcraft game they appeared in and their appearance hasn't changed, I can honestly say that I don't see what you are talking about. 
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