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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 11, 2014 10:17 PM |
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Just played this, it's beautiful. There are still some things to be fixed (graphics to be H2-ized, mainly), but it brings back the best things about H2, the music and art style.
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Orzie
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 12, 2014 05:40 AM |
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Everything is in progress, we work hard on many directions currently. The next milestone version will even contain some features in their complete form.
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 12, 2014 06:30 AM |
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Are the spelling mistakes going to be fixed? Gnom->Gnome, Gipsy->Gypsy, etc.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 12, 2014 09:29 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Are the spelling mistakes going to be fixed? Gnom->Gnome, Gipsy->Gypsy, etc.
If you can prepare list of spelling mistakes, think, Orzie will fix them.
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted January 12, 2014 01:55 PM |
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Edited by Kivo at 13:57, 12 Jan 2014.
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mvassilev said:
Just played this, it's beautiful. There are still some things to be fixed (graphics to be H2-ized, mainly), but it brings back the best things about H2, the music and art style.
Thanks for the comment.
You will see a ton of changes in the next release. A much closer to H2 interface, improved buttons/icons, townscreens, creatures etc. But also balance which is another important part. A large map pack is also coming, with maps from H2 and H1 also, even XL sized maps with it. Random maps will also be more filled with H2 objects.
As for spelling mistakes, the hero biographies are mostly fixed and you can spell both Gipsy and Gypsy. It gets people confused all the time. 
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Orzie
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 13, 2014 04:43 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 16:55, 13 Jan 2014.
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Brand new hero bios are still in development, currently there are only Russian variants for the most of them. These bios are supposed to be fully satisfying the lore and providing new interesting info about HMMII heroes, without lame copying H3 bios.
As for the Gnoms/Gnomes, they are unlikely to be present in the final release anyway. They are too much alike with Goblins. There is a discussion on one of the mod-dedicated forums which result in a Wererat as a 1st level for the swamp castle. But not sure for now.
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kipshasz
Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
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posted January 15, 2014 05:46 PM |
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I was really sceptical about this mod when it first appeared here, but now, after seeing the screenshots I can say that it's looking rather nice.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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Orzie
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 16, 2014 10:29 AM |
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Years have gone since the mod was started. Also, even now there are too few things which fully satisfy us. Further screenshots will be more optimistic.
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e-lysander
Known Hero
Lysander
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posted January 17, 2014 12:42 AM |
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Yeah, been following this since day dot. Even from the beta from January you can tell you guys have come such a long way.
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted January 17, 2014 09:00 PM |
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Edited by Kivo at 21:23, 17 Jan 2014.
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We are currently working on improving the overall look of the towncreens. Here is the old mod's Knight Townscreen version and the most recent one, nearing completion. We changed the Crossbowman/Marksman dwelling, from the fields to the building by the castle and also the Town Hall, which is still in progress.
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Higher Resolution for better comparison:
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 17, 2014 09:06 PM |
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I love the details you added, really cool
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krs
Famous Hero
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posted January 17, 2014 09:07 PM |
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For marksman the second version does not suggest archery at all... Maybe a compromise between the 2?
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 17, 2014 09:15 PM |
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Kivo said:
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wow. beautiful work. i love how you guys are improving nwc's original work. it's like, if you got an extra expansion for HoMM2 from nwc themselves. keep it up!
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 17, 2014 11:07 PM |
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Kivo said:
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By the way, why you decided to change classic town screens? I understand when you make Inferno, new version of Gypsy town, or redraw Fortress. Isnt your aim to port HMM2 to HMM3?
If I was manager of SW, first I used team powers to make Inferno, then to polish Fortress an Gypsy. what if team members get tired before they redraw all classic screens and go to Inferno so on?
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 17, 2014 11:11 PM |
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why can't they improve on the old work? i think it looks fantastic, and makes the game more fresh. i don't see why anyone would knock that...
so, macron, who in this project pissed you off? because you're jumping around now. first HotA, then Forge, now Succession Wars?
(i may be mistaken about you as far as Forge goes, i don't know)
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Trith
Adventuring Hero
Not a Hero... Just a... Nobody
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posted January 17, 2014 11:19 PM |
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Macron1 said:
By the way, why you decided to change classic town screens?
I think it might be because town screens in H2 are smaller and don't have 4-leveled town hall, resource silos, have one creature well less than H3 towns. Oh, and there are those buildings like well and thieves guild separate from tavern which are one of "base buildings" in H2, but don't exist in H3.
fred79 said:
why can't they improve on the old work? i think it looks fantastic, and makes the game more fresh.
Indeed.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 18, 2014 12:07 AM |
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Trith said:
Macron1 said:
I think it might be because town screens in H2 are smaller and don't have 4-leveled town hall, resource silos, have one creature well less than H3 towns. Oh, and there are those buildings like well and thieves guild separate from tavern which are one of "base buildings" in H2, but don't exist in H3.
In SW Beta town screens already had all these "new" dwellings made.
I am not against it, I just think in terms of management (it's about first make things absent, than remake other things)
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted January 18, 2014 12:45 AM |
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Edited by Kivo at 00:51, 18 Jan 2014.
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Macron1 said:
Kivo said:
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By the way, why you decided to change classic town screens? I understand when you make Inferno, new version of Gypsy town, or redraw Fortress. Isnt your aim to port HMM2 to HMM3?
If I was manager of SW, first I used team powers to make Inferno, then to polish Fortress an Gypsy. what if team members get tired before they redraw all classic screens and go to Inferno so on?
Well, if the old work needs improving, why jump onto something new? We need to finish one thing first, before moving onto another, otherwise it all would be a complete mess. Don't you worry, we know what we are doing. I worked on this mod for about 4 years, most of my work I did this year, therefore I definitely won't get bored or tired. Working on the mod is my hobby and so I do stuff on it in my free time, because I enjoy it.
We would want to move on to Inferno, yet the basics have to be done first. We did not change the "Classic Townscreens". H2 townscreens were much smaller, therefore we have to fit some other objects to fill the townscreen. Actually now, the Mage Guild is where it should have been in the first place, though some buildings have their position changed slightly. There are many misplaced pixels in the old townscreens, some buildings were even copied and rotated to make them seem bigger. Look at the old screen marketplace for example. You also cannot simply enlarge the building, because all the pixels would double in some places and it will look horrible. There were also shading and perspective issues, which also had to be fixed.
What you are saying sounds similar to what mister_kalu said and did. Just look at the Gipsy townscreen, which he and the previous team made - it explains everything.
Thanks for worrying, but we got it all sorted.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 18, 2014 07:26 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 08:03, 18 Jan 2014.
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As for the new Crossbowman dwelling,
1) classic HMM3 dwellings for Archers and Swordsmen do not suggest their specialties at all either.
2) Our dwelling will be most probably called Outpost or something, and will surely represent a somewhat analog of HMM3 Archer dwelling.
3) We still have small targets near the dwelling which ultimately indicate that this dwelling does not belong to Red Dragons.
4) Old dwelling was very cheap and small.
As for the additional objects: HMM3 towns had plenty. HMM2 did not just because 640x480 was easier to fill. In our case, 800x600 is a way wider space. Moreover, it's just beautiful and more atmospheric, when you look e.g. on the new Peasant hut which has the hay, plains and other stuff.
As for the old townscreen, we cannot look at it with seriousness anymore. All old townscreens have their buildings scattered randomly, not fitting to the environment.
As for Macron's opposing way of thoughts against perfectionism, I gotta say don't worry, because this version of the townscreen is very close to final. Only a few things must be added/reworked. That's why I am pleased to what we are doing - finally some things will be left as complete.
Inferno town is a way too much effort for now, it will delay the next mod version for other 6 months or even more. It's completely undone, we've got nothing to show except some rough drafts.
As for the Gipsy townscreen, pretty sure Macron thinks it's perfect. 
fred79 said:
wow. beautiful work. i love how you guys are improving nwc's original work. it's like, if you got an extra expansion for HoMM2 from nwc themselves. keep it up!
In some point it is the plan. In future we plan not only to convert classic HMM2 campaigns, but also create the new ones with plot dedicated to the events pre-dating the story of MMVI: The Mandate of Heaven, and probably being in the same time too. Also, the further story of Enroth surely will need revealing - Enroth is not only Roland and Catherine who move from one continent to another. So that the point is to make the mod unique, like HotA is is with its campaigns and such stuff.
We probably will stay with Era till the end, but I would vote for additional versions for VCMI, WoG 3.59 or even standalone version like HotA is (preferable for additional version, because it's a perfect form to advertise the project for its easiness of installation and convenience of use). But in all cases the mod will save more optionality, because it's wog based. Need a programmer to do all that, though.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 18, 2014 10:43 AM |
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Orzie said:
As for the Gipsy townscreen, pretty sure Macron thinks it's perfect.
It's quite good and fits perfectly to HMM2 neutral creatures populating it.
Only Grail is not fitting it at all (in other towns there are places for standard HMM3 grails not drawn, but not here - rainbow is out of place.
Of cause, you wrote that lineup will be totally changed, and you want townscreen to change also.
So there will be 2 towns for each faction, and it will be possible to fight old Gypsy against new Gypsy
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