|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
posted November 21, 2014 06:34 PM |
|
|
|
I liked the vengeful spirit Rakshasaa a lot more than Beastmen Rakshasa.
|
|
kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
|
|
posted November 21, 2014 06:35 PM |
|
|
|
kind of underwhelming, though i don't mean that in a bad way. it's just kinda... dull. Same good if boring academy as always. i really like the Djinn though, as long as she doesn't actually have legs. that would be stupid.
|
|
RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted November 21, 2014 06:53 PM |
|
Edited by RMZ1989 at 18:54, 21 Nov 2014.
|
Yey, here we have it! Finally we see the lineup that we know already for like what, 3 months? Holy sh*t.
I really wish they would start with Necropolis and Stronghold already.
____________
Give a man a mask, and he'll
become his true self.
|
|
Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
|
|
posted November 21, 2014 06:59 PM |
|
Edited by Avonu at 19:09, 21 Nov 2014.
|
War-overlord said:
Sar-Elam is a mortal wizard that ascended to Godhood, which effectively started the timeline for Ashan.
It is unclear what race or gender s/he was, though many presume Sar-Elam to be Human. By ascending to Godhood, Sar-Elam created a new elemental plane, one of pure non-elemental magic. Djinn are essentialy elementals from this plane.
It is clear which gender he was:
Quote:
Upon his return to Ashan, Sar-Elam's first act as a Dragon God is to gather the leaders of the Angels and the Faceless. Using his newfound powers and authority, he imposes a peace treaty that will be known as the Twilight Covenant.
(...)
Through the resignation of all his recurring lifetimes and for protection of all of Ashan, Sar-Elam sacrifices himself to repel the Demon invasion. He exhausts his nearly god-like owers in one incandescent spell to cast the Demons out of this world and prevent their return.
War-overlord said:
Ok, I looked it up in the Compendium and Sar-Elam is Human.
But s/he was not from the Shantiri Empire, that had fallen at the end of the Elder Wars, several centuries before Sar-Elam's ascendance to Godhood.
The Skull of Shadows is not Sar-Elam's actual skull. It's a crystalised fragment of his/her soul, housed in a Shadowsteel container, shaped like a Dragon-skull.
As far as I remember HoMM6 4th Necro original mission, he was from Shantiri Empire and he was banished/hunted by them for his heretic ways - he thought a human/elf/etc. can become a god, which was a anything opposite to Shantire Empire, where dragon-gods and their priests were rulers.
EDIT:
I was wrong - it was wizard Azhar, not Sar-Elam...
Quote:
This extremely old stone signpost has been worn by weather and time, but the statue bust of the legendary Wizard Azhar still stands at its top pointing in the directions of the mountains. He is famed for having saved the human wizards of the Shantiri and founded a community that would later inspire the Seven Cities.
...or wasn't I? 
____________
"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
|
|
GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted November 21, 2014 09:55 PM |
|
|
|
hence conflicting accounts.
|
|
DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
|
|
posted November 21, 2014 10:59 PM |
|
|
War-overlord said:
Ok, I looked it up in the Compendium and Sar-Elam is Human.
But s/he was not from the Shantiri Empire, that had fallen at the end of the Elder Wars, several centuries before Sar-Elam's ascendance to Godhood.
The Skull of Shadows is not Sar-Elam's actual skull. It's a crystalised fragment of his/her soul, housed in a Shadowsteel container, shaped like a Dragon-skull.
Sar-Elam is a he as far as I know.
On the Academy elites: I like the line-up...and I guess the rakshasa's will be the strong units in the line-up...
|
|
jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 02:09 AM |
|
|
Jeremiah is currently bored. Therefore, it's time to make the...
INFERNO LINEUP!!!
Core
1. Tormentor/Demented - when evil souls go to hell, Tormentors are in charge of torturing them. Everyday, Tormentors rip souls piece by piece until there's nothing left. The next day, they bring them back again and repeat the process.
Tormentors and Demented are the muscles of the Inferno army. They are slow tankers. When they become Demented, they are faster and stronger.
2. Hellhound/Cerberus - they are the pets of the demons. They are extremely fast. They can cross the whole battlefield. Cerberus' multiple head allows it to attack multiple targets at once in the same line.
3. Succubus/Lilim - as the magic users of the Inferno army, Succubus can attack from afar while seducing any male creature that comes near her.
Elite
4.
5. Dark Sin/Deadly Sin - melee attacker that has 2 out of 7 skills randomly chosen at the start of the battle.
His skills are:
1. Wrath - any target he touch will have an increased attack but also a much lower defense
2. Sloth - any target he touch will have a slower movement speed.
3. Lust - any target he touch will follow his every command.
4. Pride - any target he touch will ignore general's command and will do anything he pleases.
5. Envy - any target he touch will attack allies of higher tier.
6. Greed - any target he touch will steal ammo from range units.
7. Gluttony - any target he touch will start eating each other within the stack, does, reducing the stack's number.
6. Incubus/Cambion - stronger range creature of Inferno. They have their own special skill.
Champion
7. Devil/Arch Devil - well-rounded strong creature with special skill.
8. Pit Fiend/Pit Lord - best at summoning Inferno creatures from hell. More of a caster.
Heroes
1. Alistair
2. Lilith
3. Abaddon
4. Beelzebub
5. Abyzou
|
|
DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 09:28 AM |
|
|
what's the point of changing Sar-Elam's gender,
i totally didn't get it..
|
|
Shambell
Hired Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 11:53 AM |
|
Edited by Shambell at 11:59, 22 Nov 2014.
|
For the last time, they didn't change Sar-Elam.
They just said the same thing they said before... Gender = Unknow.
Calling him a he is "by default".
For example, in the compendium (2012), you have:
Quote:
Depending on where, when, and how the Djinn is evoked, it may have a male or female form (thus perpetuating the ambiguity that surrounds the real appearance and gender of Sar-Elam).
[url=http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-gb/news/details.aspx?c=tcm:21-94074&ct=tcm:6-231-32]This is even applied to his disciples[/url]
Quote:
11) Seeing how Belketh turned out to be an angel, could you tell us more about the disciples of Sar-Elam and their respective races?
Belketh was not directly a disciple of Sar-Elam, but a disciple of Sar-Shazzar (who was a disciple of Sar-Elam). Being nearly mythological figures in Ashan, the actual race and genders of the seven disciples remain shrouded in mystery. The only certainty is that they all belonged to the Elder Races (Angels, Faceless, Dwarves, Elves, Nagas, Humans) as the Orcs, Vampires or Beastmen did not exist at that time, and Sar-Elam would probably not accept a Demon as a disciple…
|
|
alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 11:54 AM |
|
|
jeremiahemo said:
Jeremiah is currently bored. Therefore, it's time to make the...
INFERNO LINEUP!!!
Even if you're bored, please don't go off-topic. Since it is confirmed that Inferno will not be in vanilla H7, please use Alter of Wishes to post desired line-ups. This is a thread dedicated to discussing actual in-game content.
____________
What will happen now?
|
|
jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 12:33 PM |
|
|
@alc
Thank you alc, I'll take note of that.
@shambell
if they didn't know the gender, they should've called Sar-Elam "he/she" or "himself/herself". I think that's how they called everyone else whose gender is unknown.
The he before is kind of misleading.
Personally, I don't think they didn't decide the gender before. I think they already decided he was male and changed the gender to unknown on a whim.
|
|
kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 12:48 PM |
|
|
seems more like they themselves assumed "he" was male and then realized it doesn't matter. I'd prefer a she if we ever get to see her/him, but it's better leaving gender completely out of it as it doesn't actually add anything to the character.
gender shouldn't define characters and leaving the most powerful person in the setting as ambiguous and open to either is really nice 
|
|
LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:11 PM |
|
|
That happens if you "lore" everything  Ubi should just keep it easy with the lore
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:19 PM |
|
|
While I am pleased with a magical bird as an academy champion, the next time I'd like a djinn spellcaster. That would be a good thing for a number of reasons: One, it would fit thematically while respecting tradition(plus doc has some seriously powerful djinns). Two, it would enrich the champion gameplay. Three, it would leave more freedom for the elite tier.
I do like the disciple, djinn and rakshasa trio but academy will have to change its mold eventually. And we have been asking for a spellcaster champion for a long time now
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
Minion
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:28 PM |
|
|
I like that idea a lot, they should change things a bit eventually and that would be great. We already know many Djinns like Nur who are spellcasters of the highest caliber
____________
"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
|
|
jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:30 PM |
|
|
kiryu133 said:
seems more like they themselves assumed "he" was male and then realized it doesn't matter. I'd prefer a she if we ever get to see her/him, but it's better leaving gender completely out of it as it doesn't actually add anything to the character.
gender shouldn't define characters and leaving the most powerful person in the setting as ambiguous and open to either is really nice
Nah, I think they changed it on a whim because of the gender discussion in the comments section.
I don't know why they made Sar-Elam's gender fluid though. It would make much more sense if it was Asha.
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:33 PM |
|
|
Elvin said:
While I am pleased with a magical bird as an academy champion, the next time I'd like a djinn spellcaster. That would be a good thing for a number of reasons: One, it would fit thematically while respecting tradition(plus doc has some seriously powerful djinns). Two, it would enrich the champion gameplay. Three, it would leave more freedom for the elite tier.
I do like the disciple, djinn and rakshasa trio but academy will have to change its mold eventually. And we have been asking for a spellcaster champion for a long time now
I support this idea. Djinns as superpowerful spellcasters sounds so cool and Academy-ish 
____________
|
|
Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:46 PM |
|
|
Storm-Giant said:
I support this idea. Djinns as superpowerful spellcasters sounds so cool and Academy-ish
I hope that Djinns would at least be able to cast random spells - this was a great feature of them in Heroes V.
|
|
Darkem
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:47 PM |
|
|
Yes, Heroes VII needs a spellcaster champion unit. It would fit Academy very well.
I still dream that Magical Bird will be changed to Phoenix, but... It's probably impossible.
|
|
fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
|
|
posted November 22, 2014 01:58 PM |
|
|
Elvin said:
While I am pleased with a magical bird as an academy champion, the next time I'd like a djinn spellcaster. That would be a good thing for a number of reasons: One, it would fit thematically while respecting tradition(plus doc has some seriously powerful djinns). Two, it would enrich the champion gameplay. Three, it would leave more freedom for the elite tier.
I do like the disciple, djinn and rakshasa trio but academy will have to change its mold eventually. And we have been asking for a spellcaster champion for a long time now
Now I like the Djinns as much as anybody else but I think they are more potential heroes then champion material. I loved them in H4 but in H5 they were kind of useless, being the only actual cavalary in the lineup and being extremely fragile as well. The obvious choice for champion would be the Faery dragon ofc but good luck fitting them into the lore. I would welcome a H2 style badass magi back and not these squishy tier 4 equivalent mages we get lately. Other than that the dragon golem would fit great thematically.
I fear we might actually end up without caster units this time and only have this activated ability bs or units with abilities coupled with their attacks. Something like the druids ranged attack insta-casting wines to slow down enemy movement and such. We already know that the apprentice gets the line-attack it had in H5 but what would the Djinn get? Freeze?
____________
"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
|
|
|
|
This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
