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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted January 30, 2015 02:21 PM |
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Oh how much fun I missed! =P
Dave_Jame good point about Liches, I said similar thing X pages ago, and it was mostly ignored  Even back in D&D Liches are not fully skeletal.
What I can perfectly imagine is a compromise - base Lich as it is now (really, it doesn't make sense if they would suddenly become skeletal), Archlich - half-skeleton half-mummy. And fully skeletal Liches as exception.
Guys, you know, as Sandro-fan, I'm somewhat happy for Lich lore. He's now unique in almost every aspects 
Galaad, no need for starting another Sandro revolt. The same thing again and again tends to get weaker with every use. Better save Sandro revolt for RMG and sim turns 
About Sandro, is he good or evil. He's neither. He wants to destroy Ashan as it is (which made him a Hero for some =P), but he never elaborated his point. I see that many here think that he wants to physicaly destroy Ashan, but Sandro never took steps in that direction. He targeted Dragons, basically he started revolution against Gods, against system. What he might have meaned is that he wants to destroy that Ashan system of belief, the cycle of reincarnation (which he hates), and the Gods. Not the world itself, not the people (he wants to set them free).
Now I might be imagining things, but Sandro always spoke in metaphores and never agreed with Vein's accusations in SoD, which led me to thinking that his only goal are Dragons themselves. After their "Voidification" everybody will be able to create their own Ashan (= choose their own fate).
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2015 02:22 PM |
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Edited by Danny at 14:23, 30 Jan 2015.
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Galaad said:
Is it REALLY too much to ask??!
Let's turn it the other way around. Is it such a big deal that makes it seem your life depends on it? The irony... Is this what a fan forum means nowadays? Constant posts about "I want this and that"?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 30, 2015 02:22 PM |
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Avirosb said:
You'd have to procure the rights to use the Thundercats/MLP IPs first tho
Neh.. just tweak the vizuals, call it a parody and it's all OK :-P
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 30, 2015 02:25 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:26, 30 Jan 2015.
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Danny said:
Let's turn it the other way around. Is it such a big deal that makes it seem your life depends on it? The irony... Is this what a fan forum means nowadays? Constant posts about "I want this and that"?
I've been trying my best into providing some constructive arguments over HC but it seems you only read the rants.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2015 02:27 PM |
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Galaad said:
Danny said:
Let's turn it the other way around. Is it such a big deal that makes it seem your life depends on it? The irony... Is this what a fan forum means nowadays? Constant posts about "I want this and that"?
I've been trying my best into providing some constructive arguments over HC but it seems you only read the rants.
This is the main H7 thread and all I see is the same 3-4 people acting like it's the end of the world because the creatures don't look like what they want them to be.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 30, 2015 02:31 PM |
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Galaad said:
I've been trying my best into providing some constructive arguments over HC but it seems you only read the rants.
It's hard to identify constructive arguments on such a topic that, as I wrote, adds nothing to the game.
Let's talk about the use of Neutrals. The distribution of Might/magic skills throughout the opposite classes. Or even the potential vulnerabilities of factions that were hinted. Anything that is more important than a doll's dress.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 30, 2015 02:31 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 14:37, 30 Jan 2015.
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
She also proves that there's no need for the Namtaru venom to become a Vampire. The only thing required is a ritual, everything else is relative.
No, it doesn't.
The state of a Vampire is clearly defined. And that is to have undergone a ritual and they have no blood of their own anymore because it is replace with pure Namtaru Venom.
Even if the ritual Ornella undergoes, it is unclear what happens there anyway, magically turns her blood into Namtaru Venom, her being a Vampire afterwards makes that she adheres to the rules of a Vampire.
And all this undermines your point that there is a need to have Namtaru venom in your body before the ritual. Ornella didn't, she became a vampire anyway. That in her veins circulated Namtaru venom after the fact is not only speculation but also doesn't bear any relevance.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 30, 2015 02:34 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
It's hard to identify constructive arguments on such a topic that, as I wrote, adds nothing to the game.
Necropolis atmosphere adds nothing to the game? Wow, we are just not on the same page here.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 30, 2015 02:36 PM |
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Stevie said:
And all this undermines your point that there is a need to have Namtaru blood in your body before the ritual. Ornella didn't, she became a vampire anyway. That in her veins circulated Namtaru venom after the fact is not only speculation but also doesn't bear any relevance.
No, that is not speculation. She is a Vampire, that makes that she adheres to the rules of being a Vampire. If she did not, she would be something else.
But the original point, which you seem to have misunderstood, is that to become a Vampire, you need a body. Skeletal Liches do not have one anymore and could therefor never become a Vampire.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted January 30, 2015 02:41 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 14:44, 30 Jan 2015.
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@Galaad:
I have carefilly looked through Ubisoft group presentations about their financial status in first half of fiscal year 2014-15 and it is exceptionally good. They have quite big income at that time because of (guess what) Watch ogs. Seems that a good advertising campaign is that much more important than very solid gaming experience. Anyeay, coming back to M&M. In the middle of presentation there are for last couple of years shown releases of Ubisoft games and guess what -M&M games are never even mentioned. I this little fact presents the importance of this franchise to Ubi officials, so how do you think guys from M&M would get more funds on their games than they were given in the first place?
PS. Speaking about Ornella, the ritual that was presented in a cutscene was just a part of it. After that, we was sent to Nar-Ankar to have herself cleansed additionally. Maybe by that cleansing drinking Namtaru venom was meant...?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 30, 2015 02:42 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:42, 30 Jan 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
Seems that a good advertising campaign is that much more important than very solid gaming experience.
sorry but lol
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted January 30, 2015 02:46 PM |
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Galaad said:
sorry but lol
Well, better save that lol for another post, 'cos Pawek actually has a point. In fact, it's a well-known fact.
A simple example - film trailers, which are sometimes better than films themselves. You can even find in YT "top 10 trailers better than films".
Advertising really matters much.
Galaad said:
Advertising is not what delivers a solid game experience.
Reread Pawek's post then, because he never says it delivers.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 30, 2015 02:47 PM |
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War-overlord said:
But the original point, which you seem to have misunderstood, is that to become a Vampire, you need a body. Skeletal Liches do not have one anymore and could therefor never become a Vampire.
They could always pretend. Surely there must be magic that conceals cosmetic shortcomings.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 30, 2015 02:48 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Advertising really matters much.
Advertising is not what delivers a solid game experience.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 30, 2015 02:49 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 14:54, 30 Jan 2015.
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
And all this undermines your point that there is a need to have Namtaru blood in your body before the ritual. Ornella didn't, she became a vampire anyway. That in her veins circulated Namtaru venom after the fact is not only speculation but also doesn't bear any relevance.
No, that is not speculation. She is a Vampire, that makes that she adheres to the rules of being a Vampire. If she did not, she would be something else.
But the original point, which you seem to have misunderstood, is that to become a Vampire, you need a body. Skeletal Liches do not have one anymore and could therefor never become a Vampire.
The nature of the ritual is different, as suggested by the fact that it's performed with her being a human and not a lich, still becoming a vampire. The lore on the Heroes 6 vampires does not indicate exclusivity.
And you seem to only be interpreting the text that way. "Gaining a new rejuvenated body" means that something materializes, irrespective of something being there or not. It works both ways.
Avirosb said:
War-overlord said:
But the original point, which you seem to have misunderstood, is that to become a Vampire, you need a body. Skeletal Liches do not have one anymore and could therefor never become a Vampire.
They could always pretend. Surely there must be magic that conceals cosmetic shortcomings.
Why, how did no one think of that
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 30, 2015 02:55 PM |
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are we still arguing about Liches? this might be a bad time, but i'm fine with fleshy ones as long as they remove the eyes and have them be more expressionless.
Dave_Jame said:
Heck If I owned it I could make it a my little pony crosover,
I'd buy it immediately.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 30, 2015 02:56 PM |
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Galaad said:
Advertising is not what delivers a solid game experience.
But it is something that kills/saves it
Take to Ubi examples¨
Wath Dogs: A game that disapointed many, but thanks to marketing it gained profit
On the other hand
M&M DoC: One of the best card games out there, with regular expansions, variaty etc. Dead since Ubi did not promote it, Unlike Blizz, whose Heartstone may be inferior in some gameplye parts but is THE CARDGAME, thanks to Blizz matketing and Fandom.
If M&M fandom could make such an Impact, Ubi would put a lot more money into it.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 30, 2015 02:56 PM |
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Stevie said:
And you seem to only be interpreting the text that way. "Gaining a new rejuvenated body" means that something materializes, irrespective of something being there or not. It works both ways.
No it doesn't. If something new materializes, then rejuvination is entirely redundant in that sentence. Something that isn't there cannot become young again.
If they simply got a new body it would say that. If they got a new body, then Marzhin wouldn't have made the objection that being skeletons stops them from becoming Vampires.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted January 30, 2015 02:58 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
If they had much money then they wouldn't bother to reuse old models but they don't have them.
You know, it's not unusual for video games to reuse models between games, even games with AAA budgets (which Heroes is not, being a niche game). Quite the contrary actually. Here are a few recent and not-so-recent examples:
Bioware didn't the crew of the Normandy or the aliens from scratch between Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3.
Fallout New Vegas recycles most of its graphics from Fallout 3. Before that, compare the graphics in Fallout 1 and 2. They are the same.
Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate 2 and Icewind Dale 2 all recycled the same character models, and many of the monsters.
Judging from what we've seen from Witcher 3 so far, I'm pretty sure they reuse quite a few models from Witcher 2 (Triss for instance looks very similar).
One of the most acclaimed game in recent history, Dark Souls, reused graphics from Demon's Souls, which reused graphics from King's Field IV.
Majora's Mask was recycling the graphics of Ocarina of Time.
Nintendo didn't redo all models between Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Not to forget Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty...
And so on.
All these games were sold at full price, and I don't remember seeing much fanrage when all these games were released, nor the reviewers complaining about it
Reusing a model is usually considered a smart thing to do in game development. In a way, it's like doing a movie sequel and reusing props and costumes. After spending a lot of money creating 3D graphics for a game, being able to reuse them in the next game does not only allow to spare some money, but also allows the devs to focus on improving the gameplay. Reusing models is not a "bother". It is a "breather".
In our case, reusing models allows us to make a game with more content and features than H6, like 6 factions from the beginning. If we would have had to do everything from scratch, it would not have been possible. Graphics (3D or 2D) are just that expensive in our age of HD monitors.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 30, 2015 03:02 PM |
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Quote:
You know, it's not unusual for video games to reuse models between games, even games with AAA budgets (which Heroes is not, being a niche game).
It was niche back in 1999 too but it's about time we had some real innovation in this franchise |:]
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