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posted February 22, 2015 09:52 PM |
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Sandro400
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posted February 22, 2015 09:54 PM |
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Stevie said:
What about Faceless?
Good idea actually. Sadly (or happily, it depends) they made the Faceless an antipod to Angels, both nations were brought to extinction.
P.S.: I guess they could have used Beastmen as a core race for Dungeon. In different times, it had Centaur, Harpy, Minotaur, Medusa...
P.P.S.: I know Centaurs were in Warlock's town, but Dungeon is it's spiritial successor.
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War-overlord
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posted February 22, 2015 09:57 PM |
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Stevie said:
I fail to see how that bears any relevance in Faceless being better candidates as a main race.
The idea JJ proposed was that if they took Minotaurs as the main race for Dungeon from the start, there would have been no need for the introduction of DElves. Minotaurs have been a large part of Dungeon from the start, there would have been no questions about the legitimacy of Minotaurs as the main race. As opposed of DElves, which still have problems as being accepted.
Now you ask, why didn't they make Faceless the main race.
I say, Faceless are just as invented and introduced as DElves.
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GenyaArikado
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posted February 22, 2015 10:00 PM |
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Stevie said:
I fail to see how that bears any relevance in Faceless being better candidates as a main race.
they're talking about series legacy. The faceless were in dungeon pre-H5? No.
That being said i'd loathe a minotaur town.
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verriker
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posted February 22, 2015 10:01 PM |
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the Faceless might have been more original, but they still had no established prestige or meaning whatsoever in Might and Magic
really the Minotaurs were just screwed over by the fanfiction of Ubisoft IMO... we got the Naga who are basically just "natural" beastmen spawned by Shalassa, so Minotaurs could easily have been pitched as Malassa's offspring
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Stevie
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posted February 22, 2015 10:02 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 22:05, 22 Feb 2015.
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War-overlord said:
Now you ask, why didn't they make Faceless the main race.
I say, Faceless are just as invented and introduced as DElves.
Stevie said:
I fail to see how that bears any relevance in Faceless being better candidates as a main race.
So apart from an argument from Legacy, there's nothing else, right? Because what I see is that, objectively speaking, Faceless have the better personality to be the leading faction compared to Minotaurs.
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War-overlord
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posted February 22, 2015 10:05 PM |
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Stevie, the question is not: What is the best main race for Dungeon?
The question is: What would have been a better main race to have been selected in the time of H5, in regards to the Dungeon Legacy.
As the posters above say, there were no Faceless before H5, effectively there weren't any before H6, since they were only mentioned and never shown.
As opposed to Minotaurs, which have been there from the start.
Stevie said:
So apart from an argument from Legacy, there's nothing else, right? Because what I see is that, subjectively speaking, Faceless have the better personality to be the leading faction compared to Minotaurs.
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Stevie
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posted February 22, 2015 10:07 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 22:12, 22 Feb 2015.
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War-overlord said:
Stevie, the question is not: What is the best main race for Dungeon?
The question is: What would have been a better main race to have been selected in the time of H5, in regards to the Dungeon Legacy.
That stopped being the question the moment I asked "What about Faceless?", and "What is the best main race for Dungeon?" is exactly the line I was trying to pursue with it.
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Avonu
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posted February 22, 2015 10:07 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 22:11, 22 Feb 2015.
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War-overlord said:
Is that the case?
I've always gotten the implication it's just due to lack of sunlight, from living underground all the time.
We have pale-skinned Elves already in MMX - 10 years after they were banished from Irollan.
I think there were also some texts about that Malassa's pact has changed Talrad's Elven appearance but I won't find it today. Maybe it was some video or maybe some text on Ubisoft's sites (MM page or maybe even Failbook).
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posted February 22, 2015 10:09 PM |
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at least h4 asylum was kinda minotaur-dominated. man, the idea of minotaurs as the primary dungeon species makes me so hopeful yet so sad it hasn't happened yet. minotaurs deserve better 
Stevie said:
That stopped being the question the moment I asked "What about Faceless?"
Faceless aren't giant bull-men and are therefore inferior
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Sandro400
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posted February 22, 2015 10:09 PM |
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War-overlord said:
since they were only mentioned and never shown.
They were shown (as well as the Nagas), but were redesigned for H6.
P.S.: Just wanted to post this picture^^
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Avonu
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posted February 22, 2015 10:14 PM |
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Indeed, Faceless have pictures with them before HoMM6:
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posted February 22, 2015 10:16 PM |
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Avonu said:
Indeed, Faceless have pictures with them before HoMM6
I thought that game was non-canon, though
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Avonu
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posted February 22, 2015 10:18 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 22:20, 22 Feb 2015.
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Events - yes. Rest - as graphics and concepts - we will see.
But the question was about picture of Faceless before Heroes 6 - and they were.
War-overlord said:
there were no Faceless before H5, effectively there weren't any before H6, since they were only mentioned and never shown.
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posted February 22, 2015 10:22 PM |
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Avonu said:
Events - yes. Rest - as graphics and concepts - we will see.
But the question was about picture of Faceless before Heroes 6 - and they were.
Very well.
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posted February 22, 2015 10:36 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:45, 22 Feb 2015.
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War-overlord said:
verriker said:
I gotcha, but I would actually say the Dungeon is the only faction in the original H5 where the main race simply ignores the series legacy
you would have a hard time disagreeing that the Haven, Necro, Academy, Sylvan and Inferno have the "right" races in spirit, (well if you're feeling really pedantic you can argue that the Kreegans are replaced by Demons I guess lol), but the Dark Elves are just way out of left field for that faction, IMO
I agree.
But Fortress and Sanctuary were created from scratch.
And Stronghold went from an Ogre focus to an Orc focus.
But I agree insofar as the 5 others.
I don’t really see how Ashan Fortress and Sanctuary are relevant in the Dungeon legacy business. And I could also say Tower went from a snowy Mountain environment (which would well fit Fortress, IMO) to a Desert Academy with (again imo) pretty much success.
I would like to point out the visual Cyclopses transformation as well: From a greek mythology spark to a demonic hyperbole.
The fact that Dark Elves enters Dungeon, humiliating Minotaur moreover, is a complete other issue, and what could come where after like Faceless or that construct-thing Strider becomes –correct me if I’m wrong- Ashan-exclusive, reinforcing the mess between what I want to call the “general lore coherency”, consisting of both lores that the series have had so far, if you get me.
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posted February 22, 2015 10:40 PM |
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Avonu said:
Events - yes. Rest - as graphics and concepts - we will see.
But the question was about picture of Faceless before Heroes 6 - and they were.
The Faceless' appearance in Heroes Kingdoms was based on one of the researches drawn by Olivier Ledroit back during H5 era.
When they were set to appear (first as NPCs) in H6, there was a new round of concept art that eventually produced their final design.
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Galaad
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posted February 22, 2015 10:42 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:43, 22 Feb 2015.
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Marzhin said:
The Faceless' appearance in Heroes Kingdoms was based on one of the researches drawn by Olivier Ledroit back during H5 era.
Thanks for that clarification, although, it doesn't surprise me.
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posted February 22, 2015 10:52 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
They were shown (as well as the Nagas), but were redesigned for H6.
P.S.: Just wanted to post this picture^^
That particular artwork became the basis for Belketh 
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Avonu
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posted February 22, 2015 10:54 PM |
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Marzhin 10:40 PM said:
The Faceless' appearance in Heroes Kingdoms was based on one of the researches drawn by Olivier Ledroit back during H5 era.
When they were set to appear (first as NPCs) in H6, there was a new round of concept art that eventually produced their final design.
Well, it was about did Faceless have a picture before H6, not if this picture is canon. Anyway thanks for answer... but how about Dark Elves pale-skin? Malassa's pact or living underground?
If it is the second, then why Dark Elves in MMX have already pale skin?
Also... shouldn't you sleep by now? Reading fan forums at this time and in Sunday is unhealthy and might cause introduction of illogical elements in your H7's stories. 
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