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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted February 22, 2015 10:58 PM |
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Avonu said:
Also... shouldn't you sleep by now? Reading fan forums at this time and in Sunday is unhealthy and might cause introduction of illogical elements in your H7's stories. 
Quite on the contrary, I think the problem pointed out by Verriker should focus all his attention upon.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 22, 2015 11:12 PM |
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Avonu said:
how about Dark Elves pale-skin? Malassa's pact or living underground?
I think the dark elves became pale long before they were exiled to Ygg-Chall. After the pact with Malassa, they started spending most of their time in the darkness, protecting themselves from the light. Tuidhana's realm of Tarlad itself became a dark place, where light would barely enter.
As for Heroes Kingdoms' being canon or not... it's not. At best it's a "what if" scenario. And most of their visuals are recycled from H5 and therefore outdated.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 22, 2015 11:15 PM |
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Galaad said:
Quite on the contrary, I think the problem pointed out by Verriker should focus all his attention upon.
Although in case of Liches and Vampires something still can be done, Dungeon in Ashan will always remain a Dark Elves faction, for better and for worse. Race of their lords is rooted too deeply into the lore and no-one would decide to cut it and replace with minotaurs. Besides that, don't you think that Minotaur-based Dungeon would be ludicruous? Minotaur-assasin, Minotaur-shadow matriarch, etc. Speaking about dominant races, I am grateful that Dungeon doesn't rely so heavily on Dark Elves as it used to in Heroes V era - this certainly brings much more variety than Elves presented in four, not that different ways (especially in case of females).
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted February 22, 2015 11:20 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:21, 22 Feb 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
Galaad said:
Quite on the contrary, I think the problem pointed out by Verriker should focus all his attention upon.
Although in case of Liches and Vampires something still can be done, Dungeon in Ashan will always remain a Dark Elves faction, for better and for worse.
That doesn't close fan-discussion.
And I never suggested Dungeon to be an exclusive Minotaur-raced faction, that idea is way to "Ashanian" to come out from me.
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Sorts
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posted February 22, 2015 11:21 PM |
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I seem to vaguely remember a article about dark elves in H5 and why they were chosen as the central race for H5 Dungeon. But i can't find it.
Anyway if anything, fantasy has shown dark elves as one of the most successful underground races so they aren't a bad choice. If you don't like elves, well bad luck, but it doesn't change the fact.
Minotaurs have the problem of being a "big bruiser race" they might be a nice and awesome race, but they don't fit well as the "central race" or as a primary leader option.
Many other underground races... well they are too often minions and slaves to the more successful ones or some singular entities and many of them rent just remarkable enough. Or suffer under similar problems as the minotaurs.
Only very few "minion races" have actually managed to surpass their origins. The primary ones being the orcs, especially thanks to warcraft or elder scrolls (and probably warhammer). Since we don't see them underground (in different M&M verses) but rather asa barbarian faction, we have lost the best porbable option for a underground race.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 22, 2015 11:23 PM |
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At least H7 will have a Minotaur hero 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted February 22, 2015 11:25 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:31, 22 Feb 2015.
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Sorts said:
Anyway if anything, fantasy has shown dark elves as one of the most successful underground races so they aren't a bad choice. If you don't like elves, well bad luck, but it doesn't change the fact.
War-overlord said:
It could be Erwan & Dansky.It could also be the marketing departement.
Marzhin said:
At least H7 will have a Minotaur hero
Marzhin's easter eggs! 
Seriously, that's very cool though. 
Too bad this alone cannot make up for all the other stuff.
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Pawek_13
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posted February 22, 2015 11:31 PM |
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Galaad said:
And I never suggested Dungeon to be an exclusive Minotaur-raced faction, that idea is way to "Ashanian" to come out from me.
If Minotaurs were chosen to be "mains", this is what we would get - a Minotaur in a costume directly taken from a sex shop. In such situations Elves are much better - at least they don't look that riddiculous in sexy clothes.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted February 22, 2015 11:33 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
If Minotaurs were chosen to be "mains", this is what we would get - a Minotaur in a costume directly taken from a sex shop. In such situations Elves are much better - at least they don't look that riddiculous in sexy clothes.
Is you who bring up sexy Minotaurs, I never did such a thing.
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posted February 22, 2015 11:36 PM |
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Marzhin said:
At least H7 will have a Minotaur hero
Yay for Darkstorn/Darkstorm!
... and then we get Dace...
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Marzhin
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posted February 22, 2015 11:39 PM |
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Galaad said:
Too bad this alone cannot make up for all the other stuff.
As far as the H7 Dungeon is concerned, I don't think the community has much to complain about. Only 2 Dark Elves out of 8 creatures, the return of Troglodytes, Medusae and Hydras... The community voted for this line-up, after all
And it will definitely be much less purple this time about, I can promise as much
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Pawek_13
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posted February 22, 2015 11:39 PM |
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Galaad said:
Is you who bring up sexy Minotaurs, I never did such a thing.
But who knows what would Nival do...?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted February 22, 2015 11:47 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:52, 22 Feb 2015.
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Marzhin said:
Galaad said:
Too bad this alone cannot make up for all the other stuff.
As far as the H7 Dungeon is concerned, I don't think the community has much to complain about. Only 2 Dark Elves out of 8 creatures, the return of Troglodytes, Medusae and Hydras... The community voted for this line-up, after all
And it will definitely be much less purple this time about, I can promise as much
I surely appreciate all the effort done by the Team, but if you'd allow me to express roughly my opinion about Ashan Dungeon and pardon me the expression, I only see it as you are trying to save a trash.
Good news for the purple toning down 
And I too voted Malassa in the second round, so I won't criticize the creatures which I voted for. Although I am not fully convinced by the lineup as a whole, but I am extremely exigent regarding creatures.
Although, this begs me to point out Necro is already a bit purple.
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RMZ1989
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posted February 23, 2015 12:00 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 00:01, 23 Feb 2015.
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Sandro400 said:
War-overlord said:
since they were only mentioned and never shown.
They were shown (as well as the Nagas), but were redesigned for H6.
P.S.: Just wanted to post this picture^^
OMG! These pictures are amazing, I never saw them(most of them to be precise).
Damn, those Inferno heroes are sick there, especially Nymus from H5.
Grawl's picture is great as well, the Hound master!
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 23, 2015 12:12 AM |
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Marzhin said:
At least H7 will have a Minotaur hero
knowing from LotA you are as much of a Minotaur activist (lol) as anyone here, why hasn't the Ashan Dungeon already had a Minotaur hero yet? your effort is praiseworthy, but it seems you have a hard time pushing one through and even then he's ripped from Enroth, not an original hero
can't there be as many Minotaur heroes as Dark Elves, I mean can you explain who or what is propagating the racism (lol again) here? it's just Ubi's preference to have as many elves as possible?
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 23, 2015 01:12 AM |
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verriker said:
knowing from LotA you are as much of a Minotaur activist (lol) as anyone here, why hasn't the Ashan Dungeon already had a Minotaur hero yet? your effort is praiseworthy, but it seems you have a hard time pushing one through and even then he's ripped from Enroth, not an original hero
can't there be as many Minotaur heroes as Dark Elves, I mean can you explain who or what is propagating the racism (lol again) here? it's just Ubi's preference to have as many elves as possible?
There already was a Minotaur hero in H6 (Calistar)...
Nobody said Darkstorm will be the only one. And c'mon, what am I hearing? You complain that Marzhin took a memorabale H3 Hero instead of creating a new one?
Guess why there wasn't any Minotaur hero. They were slaves in H5 and exiles in H6 ^^ Not a good time to promote some Minos to the tavern.
Racism? -_-
P.S.: your attitude changes from day to day basis
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 23, 2015 01:19 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 01:20, 23 Feb 2015.
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Sandro400 said:
You complain that Marzhin took a memorabale H3 Hero instead of creating a new one?
Verriker is not complaining about Marzhin bringing back Darkstorn, he is only pointing out the fact that maybe we shouldn't be on our knees praising Ubisoft beneficence for finally giving us one minotaur hero after thirteen damn years of purple elves.
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Sandro400
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 23, 2015 01:29 AM |
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Galaad said:
Verriker is not complaining about Marzhin bringing back Darkstorn, he is only pointing out the fact that maybe we shouldn't be on our knees praising Ubisoft beneficence for finally giving us one minotaur hero after thirteen damn years of purple elves.
verriker said:
even then he's ripped from Enroth, not an original hero
Mmm?
Btw, there's no need to be on knees. But devs too don't owe you anything. First of all they're doing this game for themselves (some for money, some out of ideology). It's pretty simple ^^
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 23, 2015 01:45 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
There already was a Minotaur hero in H6 (Calistar)...
Nobody said Darkstorm will be the only one. And c'mon, what am I hearing? You complain that Marzhin took a memorabale H3 Hero instead of creating a new one?
Guess why there wasn't any Minotaur hero. They were slaves in H5 and exiles in H6 ^^ Not a good time to promote some Minos to the tavern.
Racism? -_-
P.S.: your attitude changes from day to day basis
lol, well if an unplayable NPC who just stands about giving quests and doesn't even have a unique portrait really qualifies as much of a hero to you, then OK
I don't see where my attitude ever changed about the Dungeon, I've always thought that if we must have this Dungeon, it would be more palatable with a improved minotaur presence,
and yes, while a few namedrops feeding off the old games are appreciated to have, I think the Ashan minotaurs have been shafted and could also use some original heroes like every other race, to give them a bit of a memorable identity of their own lol
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Sandro400
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Shadow of Death
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posted February 23, 2015 07:45 AM |
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verriker said:
lol, well if an unplayable NPC who just stands about giving quests and doesn't even have a unique portrait really qualifies as much of a hero to you, then OK
I don't see where my attitude ever changed about the Dungeon, I've always thought that if we must have this Dungeon, it would be more palatable with a improved minotaur presence,
and yes, while a few namedrops feeding off the old games are appreciated to have, I think the Ashan minotaurs have been shafted and could also use some original heroes like every other race, to give them a bit of a memorable identity of their own lol
With a little bit of imagination you can use the editor and turn him into a Hero. Just as well as that bright Naga from Irina's campaign.
Again, nobody said Darkstorm will be the only one. He's just the only one confirmed. We had an Orc in Haven, full Sanctuary with Humans and Elves instead of Nagas. Racism surely isn't Ubi's sin
It's not your attitude towards Dungeon, it's that you're becoming... "bolder" and "bolder" with each day. I think you know what I mean ^^
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