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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 23, 2015 04:03 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Stevie just hates fact that, his favorite faction is not overpowered all game anymore. 
It will be, it just doesn't look like it at the time.
Necro was, is and will be OP.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 23, 2015 04:03 PM |
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Stevie said:
They don't have to be overpowered or underpowered. They just have to be balanced...
At this point I would just like to link the discussion we had some time ago about the capitol, In which there were examples of ways you can balance a game not only by a single source.
I think Undead is huge abilitie having a lot of impact, and that necromancy will also by a huge part in this.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 23, 2015 04:06 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Wellplay said:
Stevie just hates fact that, his favorite faction is not overpowered all game anymore.
It will be, it just doesn't look like it at the time.
Necro was, is and will be OP.
I need to wait and see than.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 04:10 PM |
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If any faction can make creeping without shooters possible it is Necro for sure.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 04:18 PM |
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 04:32 PM |
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 23, 2015 05:14 PM |
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Stevie said:
And Inferno 
But yea, it would be really great to have a faction with no shooters in core that can still put up a fight.
I think you are undermining the prowess of Necropolis core. Remember, Ghosts will still be flyers, Skeletons will be huge in terms of numbers and Spiders would also be quite mobile, I suppose. I truly have no worries regarding how core of Necropolis will cope with other forces in battles.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 05:19 PM |
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Now if we could just get a faction that would blow everyobody's socks off with no ELITE shooter, I'd be happy 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 05:24 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 17:26, 23 Feb 2015.
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Remains to be seen. Personally I think they're trying to play safe so that Necro doesn't end up being OP all over again. And as far as Ghosts go I really don't see how Vigilance is a better or more intuitive ability than Incorporeal.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 23, 2015 05:25 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Now if we could just get a faction that would blow everyobody's socks off with no ELITE shooter, I'd be happy
Dungeon in Heroes VI didn't have Elite shooters and in myopinion was the best designed faction of Heroes VI (excluding the purple, of course).
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 05:30 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
The_green_drag said:
Now if we could just get a faction that would blow everyobody's socks off with no ELITE shooter, I'd be happy
Dungeon in Heroes VI didn't have Elite shooters and in myopinion was the best designed faction of Heroes VI (excluding the purple, of course).
I agree, though haven did not have one either, yet both factions had a strike and return unit that I guess 'made up' for it. Not that it's needed.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 23, 2015 05:36 PM |
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Heroes III Necropolis had Skeletons, Zombies and Wraiths. You could have losses, of course, but I don't recall Necropolis being a weak faction at all.
Heroes VII Necropolis core tier is, in paper, better than H3 (Spiders >>> Zombies), so I don't see the problem
I'm a little worried about creature abilities not having the wow effect that in previous Heroes had, but until we see them in action during EA we can't give the devs anything specific.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 05:44 PM |
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I am a bit disappointed to see, what I think is a stale, already over used, and rather boring line ups of the simple 2 walkers 1 shooter core and elite tiers and a flying champion. Tweaking of one unit to a flier in one tier is not much change. We still need more variety.
When I think of the new dungeon, haven, slyvan I think of h6 all the way. Slyvan reminds me of h6 stronghold, and dungeon and haven are like h6 inferno and sanctuary, imho. Hopefully abilities will make them play totally different but I don't see how it would impact it that much.
But hey community voted for it, WE want this...
Not sure what anyone ever saw in dungeons 'faces'
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 23, 2015 05:46 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 17:59, 23 Feb 2015.
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Heroes 3 Necropolis also did not have any wow factor with skills.
People did not complain.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 23, 2015 05:49 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Not sure what anyone ever saw in dungeons 'faces'
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 05:52 PM |
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So more like....
Medusa > different tactics than other factions
Trog wasn't only in faces.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted February 23, 2015 05:54 PM |
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Apparently they decided to put a spider as a ballista, what a surprise...
But hey, from the picture it looks cool at least.
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ANTUDO
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 06:07 PM |
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You people don't seem to realize the kind of power a flyer will have that can't be flanked. Afaik, flanking from directly behind will be a no-retaliation attack or at least a reduced-retaliation attack that comes with a nifty damage bonus, which is why flying units will be extremely effective, since they will have the monility to make full use of that feature. Add Vampires with the same features - and you don't need shooters.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted February 23, 2015 06:08 PM |
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Neraus said:
Apparently they decided to put a spider as a ballista, what a surprise...
But hey, from the picture it looks cool at least.
We already had spider as a catapult in H6.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 23, 2015 06:13 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You people don't seem to realize the kind of power a flyer will have that can't be flanked. Afaik, flanking from directly behind will be a no-retaliation attack or at least a reduced-retaliation attack that comes with a nifty damage bonus, which is why flying units will be extremely effective, since they will have the monility to make full use of that feature. Add Vampires with the same features - and you don't need shooters.
Which is why shield or even blades would have made a more diverse and fun line up to have for dungeon. Instead of watering it down like other factions.
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