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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 10, 2015 02:56 PM |
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I had no problems with Ashan until heroes 6, I wasn't too fond of it either, but it was acceptable, then they tried to shove it down our throats, and now they try to do with again with h7
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 10, 2015 02:57 PM |
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Not even mentioning seven schools of magic ... Even gameplay is directly influenced by Ashan ...
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted May 10, 2015 03:02 PM |
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We dont know the story of necropolis in H7, just the setting. Marzhin hinted of "not so benevolent" this time around, so judgement it best reserved.
Nethermancers were fanpleasers, and we dont know their part in H7 either. Sandro dying means nothing, he will be back in some form.
The Elrath statue is no more eyecathing then the devil avatar of H3, you know the aliens from outer space?
Yes, Messiah could be an escape for a cataclysmic event, would you dissaprove? Thats my point.
And yet they let us choose skeletal liches for the new lineup, isnt that something?
No but the story of H4 were very much liked. Even though devils and skeletons lived together, and necro were nice and "cuddly". But disregaring bad parts of lore seems so much simpler in the old universe *cough*.
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"Man spends his life in reasoning on the past, in complaining of the present, in fearing future."
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 10, 2015 03:07 PM |
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At least it doesn't cover half of the screen. It wasn't my favorite Grail structure however
But we weren't even discussing that, that was a pointless attack at heroes 3. We were discussing about the religious aspect of Haven, and having a giant statue of their god counts as religious
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted May 10, 2015 03:16 PM |
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Edited by Sempai at 15:21, 10 May 2015.
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The Elrath statue is no more eyecathing then the devil avatar of H3, you know the aliens from outer space?
It's not even the first time when I hear this kind of flawed logic. It's something like "Wow you don't like the TS? But you remember that In heroes 1 there was no wall and not such colors and animation and stuff..." So you propose us to repeat mistakes and flaws using as an excuse their presence in old series? Man, that's weird. Development is gathering good things from past experience, not bad ones.
H4 has had a good story, good music, some interesting mechanics features but was too far away from the original line. So far that It's even tough to call it one of the Heroes games. Up to me this is a spin-off and I don't count H4 as a part of heroes games at all. Though the gameplay of H4 was fun sometimes.
In its turn H6 formally was closer to heroes series and wasn't so "out of line" but the gameplay was the most boring and uninteresting as in any other game.
U tell things like "ubi-guys said this, ubi-guys said that, ubi said that they will do a good game etc". Kinda you expecting them to tell "H7 will be scrap, don't buy it" or what? The thing about recycling lich and vamp is a drop in the ocean (btw GROS wasn't about lich and vampire lol, I wanted spider off the lineup and lamasu too - I hate zoo lineup). So all what we got are tiny changes in visuals and 0 influence on mechanics. Very nice.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 10, 2015 03:23 PM |
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@Sempai
I disagree with your h4/h6 comparison. H4 had heroes on battlefield yes, but it also had random skill system, seven resources, and most features were much more in line than what h6 proposed, IMO.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 10, 2015 03:26 PM |
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Sempai said:
(I wanted spider off the lineup and lamasu too - I hate zoo lineup)
It's funny that on the other hand, we hear about factions being too race-themed and not having enough beasts in it...
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted May 10, 2015 03:33 PM |
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Edited by Sempai at 15:37, 10 May 2015.
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@Galaad, yes, core mechanics of H4 was closer than in H6 to originals. That's why I wrote "formally". Because some "obvious" parts of gameplay in H6 were more "classic" - factions (despite of bizarre lineups), cities, battles, mobs (in H4 they were "active" lol). So that are the reasons.
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It's funny, that on the other hand, we hear about factions being too race-themed and not having enough beasts in it...
I didn't notice things like that actually and I'm pretty against it.
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted May 10, 2015 04:28 PM |
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Edited by raenus at 17:15, 10 May 2015.
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Bit late to the party here, but here are my two cents.
Ashan Arachnopolis would not be so bad if it were not for the fact that we now have (by my reckoning) 3 good factions, 5! neutral, and 1, just 1! evil faction.
Haven-Good.
Sylvan-Good.
Sanctuary-Good.
Fortress-If not good then neutral leaning HEAVILY towards good.
Academy-Neutral, leaning towards good.
Arachnopolis-Neutral, all over the freakin place. Usually good though.
Dungeon-Neutral. EDIT: may very well be leaning towards evil.
Stronghold-Neutral.
And finally Inferno-Evil, all by myself, don't wanna be all by myself.
And Inferno is a pretty boring villain at that. They are only a threat during eclipses and underground where they are constantly fought back by the stalwart, honorable, and thoroughly CHEATED Dwarves.
Plus, with the incredible amounts of religion every faction has found, the devs need look no farther than the governing dragon god to find a source of conflict. It leaves the story falling flat in my mind.
As for the creatures of Arachnopolis, I actually liked them experimenting with the lammasu, and have grown numb to the anger I originally felt for the spider, still don't like it but there are larger problems. And if you missed the people campaigning for Shield of Darkness, Sempai, then you are pretty oblivious.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 10, 2015 04:48 PM |
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Isn't Dungeon leaning towards Evil a bit, especially when you consider than we have either assassins, or even demon cultists? Not to mention that there's plenty of those in Academy also.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 10, 2015 04:53 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 16:53, 10 May 2015.
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to me it seems everyone is the same shade of grey which gets really boring, really quick. or as was mentioned, black and white stripes. i dunno, either way it doesn't work.
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted May 10, 2015 04:58 PM |
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Edited by raenus at 17:06, 10 May 2015.
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Not from what I have seen. They are "Only trying to survive" and are more focused on running their black market than expanding their empire.
Plus the demon cultists were defeated by the wimp Raelag. They may come back but Dungeon will never reach it's full potential with him in charge.
EDIT: By the way, using your own logic, assassins could be used for good or evil.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 10, 2015 05:05 PM |
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raenus said:
Plus the demon cultists were defeated by the wimp Raelag. They may come back but Dungeon will never reach it's full potential with him in charge.
Yeah, except he ruled for two very short periods of time (SoD, H5), not to mention that he eventually began worshiping Urgash himself.
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted May 10, 2015 05:08 PM |
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Edited by raenus at 17:10, 10 May 2015.
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And yet even as a demon he let a thoroughly stupid and naive woman influence his decisions.
I don't know they MAY be leaning towards evil but they are in no way completely evil. Still leaves 3/4 good, 4/5 neutral, and only one evil faction.
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted May 10, 2015 05:15 PM |
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U, guys, consider it as a good thing, having ultimately "good" and "evil" factions?
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted May 10, 2015 05:20 PM |
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Sempai said:
U, guys, consider it as a good thing, having ultimately "good" and "evil" factions?
Kind of.
Not pure black and white but there should be general leanings in my mind.
For instance Haven will always lean towards good i.e. the group in charge of the empire will almost always be good, with only renegades changing that. Even the "evil" inquisition had good intentions.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 10, 2015 05:21 PM |
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Having all factions grey could be awesome, but Ubi can't pull them off.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 10, 2015 05:32 PM |
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 10, 2015 05:35 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Fallen Angels=Devils
Um-uh, not really. Not in Ashan, not even in the old universe, and not in most of the fantasy. 
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merenefere1282
Hired Hero
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posted May 10, 2015 05:37 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Fallen Angels=Devils
Sinful angels who actually became devils, which shows that race cannot actually determine what is good or bad, say, static etc.
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