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EnergyZ
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posted June 23, 2015 09:38 PM |
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Raenus said:
articun said:
Because they wanted to show something akin to the unit and not the final one as they could come up with it.
They always said that the artworks were only for visual purposes and not the final unit or the actual unit or the reference for it.
On their part they never did something wrong. They never said, "Hey this is what you get"
I am aware of this, but I KNOW that a lot of people on the shadow council voted of Fury solely because of that damn Bladedancer artwork. they should not have put those pictures out in the first place. It changed what people voted on, even with them saying that they were not actual artwork. There is an unfortunate amount of people who never take the time to actually read the fine print, and jump to conclusions based on a pretty picture.
If I remember correctly, people did not know what the heck was, say, root python and asked for artworks. But the problem lies that they did not make artworks based off those we got, but new ones instead.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 23, 2015 09:44 PM |
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Yeah, few people that disagree with the post and hundreds of those that agree.
I know you're exaggerating, but still there are a lot of people looking forward to the game. Just that the negative people are more vocal, does not mean there are no positive people. Look at me. I posted only to rant about the dragons. I didn't even post my opinion on the beta.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 23, 2015 09:45 PM |
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Raenus said:
Am I the only one who is upset about the fact that the units people voted on look almost nothing like the units we received?
No, I actually did a brief - but unsuccesfull - search, exactly because I seemed to remember a concept art for Dryad that was nothing like what we see now. Can you point me to them?
I agree about the Blade Dancer, from what I saw in the video leaked(?) yesterday I was very underwhelmed, but I didn't want to bring this up before at least we have the actual official artwork.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2015 09:45 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 21:47, 23 Jun 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
Raenus said:
articun said:
Because they wanted to show something akin to the unit and not the final one as they could come up with it.
They always said that the artworks were only for visual purposes and not the final unit or the actual unit or the reference for it.
On their part they never did something wrong. They never said, "Hey this is what you get"
I am aware of this, but I KNOW that a lot of people on the shadow council voted of Fury solely because of that damn Bladedancer artwork. they should not have put those pictures out in the first place. It changed what people voted on, even with them saying that they were not actual artwork. There is an unfortunate amount of people who never take the time to actually read the fine print, and jump to conclusions based on a pretty picture.
If I remember correctly, people did not know what the heck was, say, root python and asked for artworks. But the problem lies that they did not make artworks based off those we got, but new ones instead.
I agree with EnergyZ, the people who made the concept arts probably didn't even see the art we got, they just got creatures descriptions and lore and made what they imagined, because blade dancer will always be elf with two blades but the pixie is very different than the one we got during line-up votes
alcibiades said:
Raenus said:
Am I the only one who is upset about the fact that the units people voted on look almost nothing like the units we received?
No, I actually did a brief - but unsuccesfull - search, exactly because I seemed to remember a concept art for Dryad that was nothing like what we see now. Can you point me to them?
this one ?
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Raenus
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posted June 23, 2015 09:47 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
If I remember correctly, people did not know what the heck was, say, root python and asked for artworks. But the problem lies that they did not make artworks based off those we got, but new ones instead.
Ah I missed the fact that people actually asked for art for the new units. Still I think they should have just thrown together a few quick sketches of the new/weird units or just left them a mystery instead of combing through their archives for random and completely unrelated images.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 23, 2015 09:50 PM |
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Right, the page with the infameous non-loading images. But thanx for posting it above, Minastir.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 23, 2015 09:52 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:58, 23 Jun 2015.
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Wanted to stealth edit and deleted instead. I don't think the Dryad looks that different. The Pixie on the other hand ... 
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Steyn
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posted June 23, 2015 09:55 PM |
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Iirc the dryad art shown during the vote was just a slightly reworked version of the water elemental/spring spirit. Imo the current art is much much better.
During the vote they showed only existing art to show the concept of the units. Considering that even then we were warned by Kaspar that the wild and cultivated pixies are really different. Still I think they did a good job giving the current pixie artwork a plant and alienesque feeling just like the old artwork. It is just a bit more flowery, which actually is good as it breaks the colour-coding a bit.
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Minastir
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posted June 23, 2015 10:00 PM |
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Galaad said:
Wanted to stealth edit and deleted instead. I don't think the Dryad looks that different. The Pixie on the other hand ...
yeah, the pixie is very much different than what we got yesterday, even though it might be little weird i like it better than this flower pixie, it looks more original and imo fits better
I'm waiting for tomorrow's elite to read all the comments of the disappointed people who voted for fury and now blade dancer doesn't look like in the first artwork, the reason why they voted for fury
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 23, 2015 10:02 PM |
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Is all part of an evil scheme!
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 23, 2015 10:10 PM |
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Steyn said:
Iirc the dryad art shown during the vote was just a slightly reworked version of the water elemental/spring spirit. Imo the current art is much much better.
Wrong.. it is a slighty rewroked older artwork, true. But the original is a Dryad Concept from the Compoundium.
As was the case for the Pixie and Treant. The Druid was an Olivier Ledroit concept from H5 era. Dragon was the Sylana artwork from the time of H6. Hunter was from MaM X.
The point is, and it was written at that time, that the artwork peresented was not to show the units as they would be made, but to give an idea of wich direction the art would go. I know many people forget this but was the fact.
BTW1: Same with Dungon.
BTW2: I noticed it a about the time of Necro release. That the concept art presented is most likely not made as a base for the models, but is made on the finished models as their showcase instead.
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 23, 2015 10:14 PM |
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If you want to retrieve this images, they are available on Acid Cave.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 23, 2015 10:14 PM |
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I do not know why some people are shocked that the actual unit looks different than the pictures from, I believe, Ashan Compedium. They clearly said that the pictures were not official artwork, but were put there so that we would have some general idea about the units. If people cannot/do not want to read the text and glue their eyes on the pictures... well, that is the fault of the fans themselves, and not Ubi. However, bringing up pictures of not the same quality is Ubi's fault because it provided a base for a biased opinion, that one unit is better looking than the other. As a consequence the people voted for it, without realizing or overlooking that the given pictures were not final artwork.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 23, 2015 10:16 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
I do not know why some people are shocked that the actual unit looks different than the pictures from, I believe, Ashan Compedium. They clearly said that the pictures were not official artwork, but were put there so that we would have some general idea about the units. If people cannot/do not want to read the text and glue their eyes on the pictures... well, that is the fault of the fans themselves, and not Ubi. However, bringing up pictures of not the same quality is Ubi's fault because it provided a base for a biased opinion, that one unit is better looking than the other. As a consequence the people voted for it, without realizing or overlooking that the given pictures were not final artwork.
Since people are stupid and want to rage about anything they can. Just to highlight some trivial things in their personal crusade. Fanboys are the worst. :-D
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 23, 2015 10:17 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 22:21, 23 Jun 2015.
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Sleeping_Sun said:
I do not know why some people are shocked that the actual unit looks different than the pictures from, I believe, Ashan Compedium. They clearly said that the pictures were not official artwork, but were put there so that we would have some general idea about the units. If people cannot/do not want to read the text and glue their eyes on the pictures... well, that is the fault of the fans themselves, and not Ubi. However, bringing up pictures of not the same quality is Ubi's fault because it provided a base for a biased opinion, that one unit is better looking than the other. As a consequence the people voted for it, without realizing or overlooking that the given pictures were not final artwork.
Well nobody expected drastic changes to units. It is all about Ubi's interpretation. Like that site, it states it gives "the possibility of community making an impact on the game" or somesuch. Note that "possibility", how much time did we get those chances? And were they major, besides faction votes?
And since general is highlighted, let me ask you this: did people consider all facts (including creature effects, design, how it fits in the faction)?
Dave_Jame said:
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Yeah, few people that disagree with the post and hundreds of those that agree.
I know you're exaggerating, but still there are a lot of people looking forward to the game. Just that the negative people are more vocal, does not mean there are no positive people. Look at me. I posted only to rant about the dragons. I didn't even post my opinion on the beta.
Their problem. After all, "make your voice count", as Ubi says.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted June 23, 2015 10:20 PM |
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Edited by Raenus at 22:26, 23 Jun 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
The point is, and it was written at that time, that the artwork peresented was not to show the units as they would be made, but to give an idea of wich direction the art would go. I know many people forget this but was the fact.
BTW1: Same with Dungon.
BTW2: I noticed it a about the time of Necro release. That the concept art presented is most likely not made as a base for the models, but is made on the finished models as their showcase instead.
I am and was fully aware that those were going to change. My point is that a LOT of people were not so observant, plus can you honestly say that the Pixie is anywhere even in the same direction as the art? What about the Bladedancer? I am not knocking these units, I am questioning the decision to show the pictures they did to the Lightys and the DeltaDragons.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 23, 2015 10:22 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Well nobody expected drastic changes to units. It is all about Ubi's interpretation. Like that site, it states it gives "the possibility of community making an impact on the game" or somesuch. Note that "possibility", how much time did we get those chances? And were they major, besides faction votes?
Again my dear friend.. YOU and a few of your friends.. did not expect any major changes. I personaly did. And believe many other did as well..
Its fun. On one side people say they don't do nothing new, just reuse old stuff. But on the other side, at the same time, when they change old stuff, and make a new direction for it. you rant aswell. :-D I think you need to make up your mind :-D.
Raenus said:
I am and was fully aware that those were going to change. My point is that a LOT of people were not so observant, plus can you honestly say that the Pixie is anywhere even in the same direction as the art? What about the Bladedancer? I am not knocking these units, I am questioning the decision to even show the pictures they did to the Lightys and the DeltaDragons.
People in general are stupid, self centered idiots with 0 understanding of text, and context... Just look at this forum :-D.
EnergyZ said:
Their problem. After all, "make your voice count", as Ubi says.
And our votes count, What was voted will be implemented. We chose the games content, Now it is their job to give it shape and put in the game...
Ÿou must really stop watching all those adds and try to understand the meaning behind the text :-D.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 23, 2015 10:28 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Well nobody expected drastic changes to units. It is all about Ubi's interpretation. Like that site, it states it gives "the possibility of community making an impact on the game" or somesuch. Note that "possibility", how much time did we get those chances? And were they major, besides faction votes?
Expecting drastic changes? To what? Unofficial artwork? You do realize what are you saying. If something is not official, it means it should be taken with a grain of salt. End of story.
The site did give us 'some' power to influence the game, choosing factions, day/night town screen, etc. However, I do not think that the capabilities to influence the game were realized in the best way, as many (Elvin, Stevie, etc.) already said. However, even better question is why didn't they listen to the insiders regarding some notions that are/aren't present in the game? We lost there the best attempt/chance to influence the game. When I remember JJ's knowledge of different technicalities of the game that should have been incorporated, I just want to cry....
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 23, 2015 10:30 PM |
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Although devs did step on a few obvious landmines up till now, dealing with fanbases like this one must be absolutley excrutiating. I imagine that its something like trying to satisfy a herd of spoiled schizofrenic hydras with dementia.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 23, 2015 10:30 PM |
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Fun part is the "not official MM-H VII art" badge on the bottom of those artworks ... yea.. no major changes :-D
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