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posted September 27, 2014 07:01 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
Galaad said:
TDL said:
I think Medusae would fit Dungeon quite well. Just make the head on shadow matriarchs swarm with black snakes get rid of the Matriach and voila 
=))
All do respect, No.
Seriously, the dark elves are not going to be H3 dungeon ever, so please just leave it alone.
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Protolisk
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posted September 27, 2014 07:31 PM |
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Alex_Yakub said:
Raelag84 said:
All do respect, No.
Seriously, the dark elves are not going to be H3 dungeon ever, so please just leave it alone.
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Um...
H6 Dungeon was the closest I've seen to H3 Dungeon. Minotaur, Dragon, Mantiocre, lower level Eyeball shooter (beholder/lurker) Strike and Return unit (faceless/harpy) along with another shooter (Stalker/Medusa) and a low level melee unit (assassin/troglodyte.) Sure, our assassin wasn't a blind frog lizard thing and our other shooter wasn't a snake lady, but it was close, and many of the roles were similar. It felt very much like H3 Dungeon, to me, except that Sanctuary had dibs on snake people, Stronghold on bird ladies, and Troglodytes are pretty dumb over all. (Lizards with a stick instead of eyes, yay!)
Though I'd prefer Dungeon have a bit more Minotaur influence (So many Minotaur Heroes in H3, while Minotaurs seemed to be slaves in Ashan, though H6 seemed to be changing this), H6 was a pretty good update for Dungeon, all things considered.
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War-overlord
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posted September 27, 2014 07:43 PM |
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Protolisk said:
H6 Dungeon was the closest I've seen to H3 Dungeon. Minotaur, Dragon, Mantiocre, lower level Eyeball shooter (beholder/lurker) Strike and Return unit (faceless/harpy) along with another shooter (Stalker/Medusa) and a low level melee unit (assassin/troglodyte.) Sure, our assassin wasn't a blind frog lizard thing and our other shooter wasn't a snake lady, but it was close, and many of the roles were similar. It felt very much like H3 Dungeon, to me, except that Sanctuary had dibs on snake people, Stronghold on bird ladies, and Troglodytes are pretty dumb over all. (Lizards with a stick instead of eyes, yay!)
Though I'd prefer Dungeon have a bit more Minotaur influence (So many Minotaur Heroes in H3, while Minotaurs seemed to be slaves in Ashan, though H6 seemed to be changing this), H6 was a pretty good update for Dungeon, all things considered.
I've always considered Troglodytes frogs, rather then lizards. And for a cave dwelling species, they made a certain sort of sense, especially as a slave-race.
But other then that, I am in complete agreement.
Though I must say that I shan't mourn the loss of the Medusa and I will lend my support to any cause Minotaur.
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Protolisk
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posted September 27, 2014 07:50 PM |
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War-overlord said:
I've always considered Troglodytes frogs, rather then lizards. And for a cave dwelling species, they made a certain sort of sense, especially as a slave-race.
But other then that, I am in complete agreement.
Though I must say that I shan't mourn the loss of the Medusa and I will lend my support to any cause Minotaur.
They were definitely frog-like in H4, but in H3 they seemed like fat lizards. Either way, although they fit the underground theme (that's what their name means...) I disliked them as a unit. They were, to me, the peasants of the "evil" factions. We could do without them.
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Stormcaller
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posted September 27, 2014 07:52 PM |
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They were also rather weak t1 unit, among the weakest if i remember.
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Galaad
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posted September 27, 2014 08:02 PM |
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Alex_Yakub said:
Raelag said:
Seriously, the dark elves are not going to be H3 dungeon ever, so please just leave it alone.
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I'm sorry if my opinion bothers you, but I won't leave it alone. I am very angry at Ubisoft for a lot of things they did to the franchise and I shall express my frustration about their silly decisions when I see fit. Good evening.
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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 27, 2014 08:06 PM |
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Galaad said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Raelag said:
Seriously, the dark elves are not going to be H3 dungeon ever, so please just leave it alone.
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I'm sorry if my opinion bothers you, but I won't leave it alone. I am very angry at Ubisoft for a lot of things they did to the franchise and I shall express my frustration about their silly decisions when I see fit. Good evening.
Nobody is saying you can't voice your opinion We just disagree with it, that's all
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Raelag84
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posted September 27, 2014 08:27 PM |
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@Protolisk
H6 dungeon was a disaster. Ubisoft tired to satisfy the old guard by making it look like H3 dungeon, but it ended up lacking the fun of H5 and H3 dungeon.
Galaad said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Raelag said:
Seriously, the dark elves are not going to be H3 dungeon ever, so please just leave it alone.
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I'm sorry if my opinion bothers you, but I won't leave it alone. I am very angry at Ubisoft for a lot of things they did to the franchise and I shall express my frustration about their silly decisions when I see fit. Good evening.
Well I'll state an opinion that bothers you then. Trying to make Ashan like Erathia is the most silly decision Ubisoft has ever made. Good evening.
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Kimarous
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posted September 27, 2014 08:37 PM |
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To be fair, with how tentacle-y and full of eyes that Dungeon has become as of H6, I could totally see a Malassa-ized version of a Medusa becoming an actual thing. I am not opposed to the notion.
@Raelag
I respectfully disagree on your impressions of H5. The Dungeon there was... well, it had a lot of failings in my eyes. The art design was lacking for the most part (ESPECIALLY the witches/matriarchs, and don't even get me started on their city screen), the raiders make NO sense (seriously, cavalry UNDERGROUND?!?), and they lacked anything that made them feel particularly "dark" aside from having a few creature units. H6 made them a lot more alien and mysterious - something I felt they were seriously lacking.
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Avirosb
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posted September 27, 2014 08:52 PM |
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Kimarous said:
To be fair, with how tentacle-y and full of eyes that Dungeon has become as of H6, I could totally see a Malassa-ized version of a Medusa becoming an actual thing.
So purple Medusae then?
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Galaad
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posted September 27, 2014 08:54 PM |
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Avirosb said:
So purple Medusae then?
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verriker
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posted September 27, 2014 09:02 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
Well I'll state an opinion that bothers you then. Trying to make Ashan like Erathia is the most silly decision Ubisoft has ever made. Good evening.
come on now, let's not pretend H5 was the Ashan Dungeon by any means, it was the Warhammer Dungeon lol
I actually liked the lineup they had in H6 despite the purple color coding, and I normally don't like anything Ubisoft does,
but you have to give it to them that they struck a good balance, without forcing in too many dark elves or cloning H3
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ChrisD1
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posted September 27, 2014 09:19 PM |
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verriker said:
Raelag84 said:
Well I'll state an opinion that bothers you then. Trying to make Ashan like Erathia is the most silly decision Ubisoft has ever made. Good evening.
come on now, let's not pretend H5 was the Ashan Dungeon by any means, it was the Warhammer Dungeon lol
I actually liked the lineup they had in H6 despite the purple color coding, and I normally don't like anything Ubisoft does,
but you have to give it to them that they struck a good balance, without forcing in too many dark elves or cloning H3
most of the times when ubi tries to do smth erathian it fails but in the case of H6 dungeon, they actually did it right (Except the purple). Hell they overdid it with the black dragons (we all knew that faceless was to be the champion creature, but...)
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War-overlord
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posted September 27, 2014 09:21 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
most of the times when ubi tries to do smth erathian it fails but in the case of H6 dungeon, they actually did it right (Except the purple). Hell they overdid it with the black dragons (we all knew that faceless was to be the champion creature, but...)
...even Ubisoft knows that Dungeon without a (Black) Dragon is heresy.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 27, 2014 09:43 PM |
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War-overlord said:
ChrisD1 said:
most of the times when ubi tries to do smth erathian it fails but in the case of H6 dungeon, they actually did it right (Except the purple). Hell they overdid it with the black dragons (we all knew that faceless was to be the champion creature, but...)
...even Ubisoft knows that Dungeon without a (Black) Dragon is heresy.
the manticore, evil eye and minotaur were enough in this case. i think they did it only for the fans.
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Raelag84
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posted September 27, 2014 09:55 PM |
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First off, I am going to go on a limb and say that dark elves were a troupe before warhammer.
Secondly. Heroes 5 dungeon was a blast to play. I enjoyed playing with h5 dark elves for years and still do. The h6 dark elves I don't even want to touch, though to be fair, gameplay in h6 in general was just not as fun as it was in h5. Factions were just less immerse.
Thirdly and most importantly, h6 dungeon didn't make the old guard happy. In fact H6 brought back many things from H3, and to be honest, die hard H3 fans are still unhappy. So what's the point?
For all it's faults Ashan should be Ashan.
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Avirosb
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posted September 27, 2014 09:57 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
First off, I am going to go on a limb and say that dark elves were a troupe before warhammer.
Yep, purple attire, riding on raptors and taming hydras, you name it.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 27, 2014 10:05 PM |
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As some other guys, I also liked H6 Dungeon lineup a lot. Of course, it was way too purple, but design was good.
If we are having Dungeon in H7, I wouldn't mind having the same lineup with addition of Hydras as champions, minus the purple.
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Galaad
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posted September 27, 2014 10:06 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
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Thirdly and most importantly, h6 dungeon didn't make the old guard happy. In fact H6 brought back many things from H3, and to be honest, die hard H3 fans are still unhappy. So what's the point?
For all it's faults Ashan should be Ashan.
More H6 itself than H6 Purplegeddon was upseting. H6 mostly removed many things from H3 than anything else(random, ressources, adventure map, weeks of monsters, mage guilds, secondary heroes, the list is VERY long..). Gameplay-wise, H5 is way closest to original games and H6 was endured as a tragedy for some (as me).
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ChrisD1
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posted September 27, 2014 10:06 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
As some other guys, I also liked H6 Dungeon lineup a lot. Of course, it was way too purple, but design was good.
If we are having Dungeon in H7, I wouldn't mind having the same lineup with addition of Hydras as champions, minus the purple.
the faceless should be the champion! PERIOD!
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