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Storm-Giant
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posted October 05, 2014 08:05 PM |
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Minion said:
Storm-Giant said:
First Strike is such a beautiful skill in H4. I wish it had some kind of comeback someday
What made it so good? I thought it lessened strategy and not improve it. And first strike + counterstrike is so meh it's not funny...
I liked it, it forces you to think twice before attacking someone.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted October 05, 2014 08:19 PM |
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Yu must have really liked counterstrike III in H6 
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Storm-Giant
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posted October 05, 2014 08:32 PM |
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You assume too much, old man
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RMZ1989
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posted October 05, 2014 08:34 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Minion said:
Storm-Giant said:
First Strike is such a beautiful skill in H4. I wish it had some kind of comeback someday
What made it so good? I thought it lessened strategy and not improve it. And first strike + counterstrike is so meh it's not funny...
I liked it, it forces you to think twice before attacking someone.
Which makes it bad in my opinion. As Minion said, you are better off ignoring that unit altogether and attack it just with Archers while you are killing everything else, except if your army is far superior and can kill off that unit or diminish their numbers quite fast.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 05, 2014 10:02 PM |
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First Strike is a SPELL in HoMM 4, that is, an active ability, except for Halberdiers who have First Strike. As a spell it's pretty brilliant since the natural state of things is that everyone hurts each other as best as possible.
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Sleeping_Sun
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Townscreen Architect
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posted October 05, 2014 10:28 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Storm-Giant said:
Minion said:
Storm-Giant said:
First Strike is such a beautiful skill in H4. I wish it had some kind of comeback someday
What made it so good? I thought it lessened strategy and not improve it. And first strike + counterstrike is so meh it's not funny...
I liked it, it forces you to think twice before attacking someone.
Which makes it bad in my opinion. As Minion said, you are better off ignoring that unit altogether and attack it just with Archers while you are killing everything else, except if your army is far superior and can kill off that unit or diminish their numbers quite fast.
You cannot ignore it if it charges at you and diminishes your troops as white tigers in H4 used to do... or what I used to do. 
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fuChris
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posted October 05, 2014 10:29 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
First Strike is a SPELL in HoMM 4, that is, an active ability, except for Pikeman, White Tiger, Nomad, Dragon Golem, Mantis who have First Strike. As a spell it's pretty brilliant since the natural state of things is that everyone hurts each other as best as possible.
fixed for you
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted October 05, 2014 11:11 PM |
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First strike worked fine with simulatenous retaliation involved. I highly doubt it would work with the current system. Of course, proactive retaliation sounds a nice addition but I fear we lost the units it ultimately should belong to - the griffins.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted October 06, 2014 07:17 AM |
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We had first strike on minotaurs in h6. Was it bad? I liked it.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 06, 2014 08:46 AM |
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fuChris said:
JollyJoker said:
First Strike is a SPELL in HoMM 4, that is, an active ability, except for Pikeman, White Tiger, Nomad, Dragon Golem, Mantis who have First Strike. As a spell it's pretty brilliant since the natural state of things is that everyone hurts each other as best as possible.
fixed for you
It doesn't change the fact that it's a spell or a creature ability, but not a passive skill/ability the hero can learn in order to make it a passive ability for the whole army : it's a no-brainer to pick, and as such not good.
What you need, is a selection of relevant ACTIVE abilities to make a battle interesting and your hero actions decisive. If creatures and/or hero have too many battle relevant PASSIVE abilities (which could be seen as pre-combat active abilities, that is, spells already cast when the battle starts), your actual decisions in battle become that much more irrelevant.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:25 PM |
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OMG, so many people are blind and without taste.
This is the worst haven-line-up ever made.
The boring female units are really, really boring and non-inspired, and so are the other units.
I hate this town even more now.
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syth
Hired Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 03:20 PM |
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First let me say without griffin it looks like the line up returned to H2 roots.
Secondly I didn't like the idea that there are cleaving/parrying/swift striking units.I mean you are wasting 3 creature slots just for some soldier archtypes.
There is no taste in the line up,its boring.The line up apart from using some magic doesn't seem like they are in the realities of the highly magical world they are in.Sorry but they look like french medival troops peppered with some magic :/
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LizardWarrior
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Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 08, 2014 04:00 PM |
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syth said:
Sorry but they look like french medival troops peppered with some magic :/
so... do you like neon horses? IMO a Haven/Castle town should look medieval, also I think it's good that it ain't over-fantasized , that's the faction's theme afterall
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Undead_king_
Hired Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 06:46 PM |
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1 special ability per unit ? Well... this is gonna get boring real fast...
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 08, 2014 07:25 PM |
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Undead_king_ said:
1 special ability per unit ? Well... this is gonna get boring real fast...
I assume you like quantity over quality.
Also you are forgeting older games from the series did not have this many abilities and it was not a problem for players.
Example: Heroes of Might & Magic I-V!
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 08, 2014 09:23 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
OMG, so many people are blind and without taste.
This is the worst haven-line-up ever made.
The boring female units are really, really boring and non-inspired, and so are the other units.
I hate this town even more now.
I can just say one thing, as there is only one female unit how can there be more female units?
Or you are implying that sentinels, crossbowmen, cavaliers, priests, landsknechts, angels and wolves are female?
Anyway, you're the blind one good sir, for Haven is made as the human faction.
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 08, 2014 09:38 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 22:33, 08 Oct 2014.
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Rakshasa92 said:
OMG, so many people are blind and without taste.
This is the worst haven-line-up ever made.
The boring female units are really, really boring and non-inspired, and so are the other units.
I hate this town even more now.
Opinion of every person differs. You can't say whether someone has a taste or not by judging on just appreciation of new Haven look (which I really like). With such comment you're making a blind guess concerning someone's taste. This is just 17 renders. It isn't simply enough to decuce what are one's visual preferences.
Neraus said:
I can just say one thing, as there is only one female unit how can there be more female units?
I think he was referring to Priestesses also.
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Storm-Giant
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posted October 08, 2014 10:26 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Undead_king_ said:
1 special ability per unit ? Well... this is gonna get boring real fast...
I assume you like quantity over quality.
Also you are forgeting older games from the series did not have this many abilities and it was not a problem for players.
Example: Heroes of Might & Magic I-V!
^this  (although H4&H5 had a fair amount of abilities)
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fuChris
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Master to the Speed of Light
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posted October 08, 2014 10:35 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
(although H4&H5 had a fair amount of abilities)
Yes but in H4 Flyer and Ranged were also abilities and they still they managed to keep every unit at 3 abilities max.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 08, 2014 11:53 PM |
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I would strongly advise you to ignore the ranting from Rakshasa92. Every single of his posts is how H7 sucks and how he doesn't like anything from these factions and how H7 needs a lot more "cool" mythological creatures.
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