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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted December 10, 2014 03:26 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Well guys, I only say I don't like it much and keep my opinion as game-only related, even explained why I don't like. I don't know why you feel entitled to go personal and call people who dislike it names, speculate about their "purism", community never "pleased", especially if, as you say, you don't give a damn about what this community created. Then artu repeating again and again about me being obsessed about some brightness which should be insignificant, but artu certainly forgot how he insisted for weeks to change one letter in zetup txt because wrong grammar disturbed him.
Oh well, nobody is perfect, is it? Okay, that's all for me. 
Oh, come on Sal, really? I didnt dump Wog Revised in the trash because of the typo, did I? I corrected the ztext and if it hadnt been corrected, I'd still use the mod. And pointing out if they make too many balance changes, this time purists will react isnt exactly "name-calling" since a) purism isnt an insult and b) there is a causality between their estimated reaction and their purism, it's part of the explanation.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted December 10, 2014 03:28 AM |
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Kimarous said:
honestly, I'm extremely underwhelmed. The "Heroes of Might and Magic" community as a whole is the most negative, complaint-filled fandom I have EVER run across
heh
you can't blame it, after a game as bad as Heroes 6
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted December 10, 2014 03:50 AM |
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I just saw this.
Finally some good news.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 04:48 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 05:02, 10 Dec 2014.
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SUCH GRAPHICS
WOW
MUCH QUALITY
SO HD
This snowing snow sucks. Burn in hell greedy snows willing to cut easy money from naive fans.
I will boycott this product even more than Heroes 6.
Just look at those trees and try to guess the TRUE lighting angle. You have 3 tries. Oh, where is my shadow?! Call the police! SO HD
This trash made by slave migrant workers does not deserve anything except a public reprimand. With the current level of technology and taking into account the number of artists working for Ubisoft (500+) calling this game an HD edition should be law penalized.
Not even mentioning that according to the screenshots they did transfer... the original graphic bugs and inconsistencies.
I put much hope in this project once, having some clues from insiders. However, now I realize that all hope is gone and we are doomed to play with these soap graphics, also suspecting that we modders might be pursued after the release of this 'game'.
And yeah, I would not be so sure about the words like "we have only the RoE code".
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hcl
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 06:05 AM |
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dont think the ppl who worked/work on this release deserve the harsh words. Its not the artists etc, blame the deadlines or managers and/or the industry who decide to put not more efford into this.
personally i think its a good addition to the homm3 universe. Esp since it puts homm3 a bit out of its corner.
and dear ppl, try to learn to be a bit more diplomatic, you as diplomats and 3. WW alrdy happened Some post here are put very escalating, thats not the most productive way.
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kicferk
Known Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 08:36 AM |
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Kimarous said:
Oh, this is rich. One of the prominent names on the WoG board - someone responsible for making several mods, someone who views FAN mods as superior to official products - complaining that someone who feels OTHERWISE is "entitled."
If you believe all official products are better than all mods then you are not only wrong but also quite ignorant of what has been done. Besided, you make it sound as if making mods was a crime, which it is not. And he did not complain about you being "entitled" in general, but you being entitled to bring the discussion to our current level.
Kimarous said:
And when did "I'm just not a fan of mods to begin with" turn into "not giving a damn about what this community has created"? If people like this sort of thing, kudos to them. I'm just not into that sort of thing.
So, you said earlier that "I couldn't give a snow about all the fan edits and unofficial HD redos out there" and you are surprised when someone who spent countless hours on it is annoyed by that?
Kimarous said:
But even if you are taking it that way, why SHOULD I give a damn? I owe them no loyalty - heck, I didn't even know this site existed until someone directed me here from the Heroes 7 blog... and honestly, I'm extremely underwhelmed. The "Heroes of Might and Magic" community as a whole is the most negative, complaint-filled fandom I have EVER run across, and I've come close to leaving this forum entirely because of how miserable the atmosphere is.
I almost don't need to add a comment here, everything is pretty transparent. Without going too personal, I have never felt what you described. And I don't see pointless complaining, I see a feedback that should be taken into account, because it makes sense.
(Sarcasm ON) With a risk of sounding rude, you may find it surprising, but nobody is keeping you from leaving this forum. It is certainly not an obligation of every heroes fan to be here, and this athmosphere of hate can make anyone quit. (Sarcasm OFF)
Kimarous said:
You know what? I think you are just feeling threatened. You don't like that this new version isn't compatible with all the various mods, and consequently want to turn people away so that they get the original version that IS compatible with all your miscellaneous fan projects.
I think you don't have any background to tell any of us how we "really" feel. I am pretty sure that quite a lot of people will choose a little worse graphics and overwhelming amount of fan-based content, unless the new game will offer improvements other than multiplatforming. And the suggestion about Sal feeling "competetive" is another argument for your already evident and surprisingly large ignorance. Most people who are into any kind of H3 that is beyond SoD are quite likely to have seen his fantastic fan projects already.
I see this new game as an opportunity for fans to make their life easier. Ubisoft could make a lot of improvements and provide maintenance that was not popular in 2000s but which is now. With that all fan projects could be put on new games as well, and it would make creating new ones so much easier. But I'm afraid people sounding like "I don't need that, who cares, you are haters because you don't like what they show you now" can be loud enough to make Ubi ignore that. Which would be a shame, cause I would not buy their remake then.
Cheers
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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted December 10, 2014 09:14 AM |
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Me, i don t care about graphics... I don t care about this soap graphics, there is no such interest to play h3 in HD mod and no more to play with h7, i m just waiting HotA release.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 09:32 AM |
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kicferk said:
If you believe all official products are better than all mods then you are not only wrong but also quite ignorant of what has been done. Besided, you make it sound as if making mods was a crime, which it is not. And he did not complain about you being "entitled" in general, but you being entitled to bring the discussion to our current level.
1) It's not that I think mods are a crime. It's that I think it extremely haughty to act like fan projects are inherently better than the official product. I'm not saying that mods cannot improve a product, but I got the impression "I am a modder who speaks for the modding community, and your professional work is terrible; we could easily do better." Admittedly, that may have been a stretch on my part, but I interpreted it so and found it frustratingly arrogant.
2) "Being entitled to bring the discussion to our current level"? I genuinely don't know you are trying to say there.
kicferk said:
So, you said earlier that "I couldn't give a snow about all the fan edits and unofficial HD redos out there" and you are surprised when someone who spent countless hours on it is annoyed by that?
I wasn't surprised. I admit that my point wasn't clearly conveyed in my original post and, at the time, I was irked that it wasn't perceived as I had intended.
kicferk said:
I almost don't need to add a comment here, everything is pretty transparent. Without going too personal, I have never felt what you described. And I don't see pointless complaining, I see a feedback that should be taken into account, because it makes sense.
Either you spend little time on the Heroes 7 board or we have extremely different interpretations on what constitutes "pointless complaining." 
Can we at least agree that it is futile to demand a second round of Sylvan lineup voting when the official answer has been "Not gonna happen" for some time now?
kicferk said:
(Sarcasm ON) With a risk of sounding rude, you may find it surprising, but nobody is keeping you from leaving this forum. It is certainly not an obligation of every heroes fan to be here, and this athmosphere of hate can make anyone quit. (Sarcasm OFF)
I am well aware of that fact. However, there are moments where I appreciate the discourse, and there tends to be news that you don't get on the H7 blog proper. Hence, I stay. There will be a point that I leave, but it is not now.
(I'll skip the next paragraph and admit that I got myself in a tizzy, lashing out and pointing fingers. I apologize for that.)
kicferk said:
I see this new game as an opportunity for fans to make their life easier. Ubisoft could make a lot of improvements and provide maintenance that was not popular in 2000s but which is now. With that all fan projects could be put on new games as well, and it would make creating new ones so much easier. But I'm afraid people sounding like "I don't need that, who cares, you are haters because you don't like what they show you now" can be loud enough to make Ubi ignore that. Which would be a shame, cause I would not buy their remake then.
Cheers
At times, the local negativity (or at least, what seems negative to me) gets to me and I struggle to see the points others are trying to make. To be completely honest, I'm not trying to be in the "I don't need that, who cares" crowd; on the blog proper, I've expressed concerns about the absent content, particularly the more-than-likely missing random map generator. However, I do genuinely feel that people are putting far too much emphasis on a single screenshot (namely, the Necropolis townscreen) and are preemptively dismissing the entire product purely on that fact.
I suppose that's what really gets to me: this constant feeling that players are constantly dismissing stuff so early on - "Haven doesn't have griffins; HAVEN RUINED!" "Sylvan doesn't have unicorns; SYLVAN RUINED!" "The resources are different; HEROES VII RUINED!" It's regular enough that I can't discern what's hyperbole and what's genuine overreaction.
Ultimately, I want everyone to be happy with what we receive, but I also want specific content that "malcontents" would have stripped away, or that they complain over matters that, to me, seem worthless complain over. Time and time again, it seems like every time I express that I like something, three others will demand it changed. That's the kind of "negativity" that I find, and it's genuinely exhausting... and it's hard not to vent on fellow community members. 
I hope that I haven't bored you or turned this into a therapy session, but that's the perspective I am coming from.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 10, 2014 10:24 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 16:25, 10 Dec 2014.
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I think we should calm down here, especially you Kimarous.
You seriously cannot be serious when reproaching fans or/and modders to share their opinion on a community forum, how unfitting to your own personal taste their tone might appear.
Also, you might haven't read through the cynicism and missed the valuable points already made on this thread, such as textures difference, lightning angles, or the doubts regarding Ubisoft real artistic investment behind this.
You have to understand that when people invests considerate amount of time into something, they might, as Salamandre suggested, have a more accurate and sharpened vision than some others. Which is normal, such as someone practicing martial arts for 20 years will fight better than the one who just started a few years ago. There is no vainglory nor arrogance in this.
I thank you for your consideration.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted December 10, 2014 10:33 AM |
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Edited by Maurice at 10:48, 10 Dec 2014.
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Orzie said:
This snowing snow sucks. Burn in hell greedy snows willing to cut easy money from naive fans.
You do realise that the screenshot is a .JPG file that's the result of someone pressing "PrintScr", right? The screenshot itself is made at 1920x1080 and quite frankly, when looking at it fullscreen, the pixelations which seem to burn out your eyes are pretty much invisible.
Overall, they did invest quite a lot of work on it, which seems to be mostly graphical redesign. The screenshots themselves are dated at november 28th this year, so likely to be (close to) the final result.
To expect them to completely remake Heroes3 Gold, while they lack the materials of the original expansions, it probably too much of a risk from a business point of view. I can only hope that Heroes3 HD will sell well enough, that they see its worth and expand on it, reserve resources to recreate the expansions and their campaigns, albeit not down to the dot, as well as incorporate some of the great(er) ideas that have been put forward by the community over the years. The work that has been done with regards to mods coupled to their popularity means that people are attracted to the modability of the game.
But if we drop the ball now, as a community, by pulling up our noses on something that they didn't have to make, but which has been a popular demand for years now, then we'll only have this release, H3 HD RoE, and nothing else. To shoot it down already on a mere few screenshots and a boatload of assumptions is shortsighted in my opinion.
No, I'm not a fanboy, and I distrust UBIsoft as a game company; I realise that they're more interested in revenue than cultivating a game world for a somewhat smaller title and franchise as this is. But I am not blind to the potential this project might have.
Edit: Galaad made a reply while I was making mine, but he does raise an interesting point:
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Also, you might haven't read through the cynicism and missed the valuable points already made on this thread, such as textures difference, lightning angles, or the doubts regarding Ubisoft real artistic investment behind this.
While there is truth in that statement, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here: people who are so focussed on it, fostering and polishing a product in a way they deem (far) more precious, also are liable to suffer from tunnelvision. I am not pointing out anyone in particular here, but any "outside" interference with what they have become to consider their product may be considered a threat to it. In a way, the way Gollem is attached to The Ring is a very extreme form of this behaviour, because The Ring belongs to Sauron.
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Where is this image taken from? The 14 images I could see on the MM7 site don't have any area on it which matches the one below. Where did it come from?
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Just look at those trees and try to guess the TRUE lighting angle. You have 3 tries. Oh, where is my shadow?! Call the police! SO HD
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted December 10, 2014 11:14 AM |
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Hehehehe. I LOVE this!
Fans make petitions for UBI to remake Heroes III just with HD textures.
Fans get Heroes III remake with HD textures.
Fans are not happy.
This thread is like watching someone deal with unstable girlfriend which doesn't know what she wants. Ill grab popcorn and enjoy myself.
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 11:38 AM |
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Well I'm quite fond of the new graphics apart from glitches like the clipped of sulphur pile. But they could have spent 35000000000000 hours in redesigning the graphics. However why would a AB+SoD+HDmod+HotA or AB+SoD+HDmod+ERA user start from scratch with RoE?
Im afraid as long as the remake is just a HD graphics RoE without "HD refinement" of the game mechanics, e.g. bug/quirks/balance fixes or most importantly a revamped AI and a random map generator (which was introduced with AB IIRC), it will be a boring game for long-time H3 players and of limited value for multiplayer games.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted December 10, 2014 11:40 AM |
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Maurice said:
Where is this image taken from? The 14 images I could see on the MM7 site don't have any area on it which matches the one below. Where did it come from?
lol you're right, look at what he said also
Orzie said:
I put much hope in this project once, having some clues from insiders.
guess he got the screenshot from them too, looks as if some sneaky leakers in Ubi are going on the naughty list this Christmas hue hue hue
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Pavijan
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 11:47 AM |
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gatecrasher said:
Hopefully this won't come with all the quirks fixed by expansions/HD mod/HotA.
Sure it's gorgeous but in case it's going to be just a graphically refurbished version of RoE without any further addition it's not that interesting to me.
Expansion source code lost? What a bloody a joke. Another example why proprietary software development is a disgrace. They could ask WoG/HotA team members which have done a fair amount of reverse engineering.
This is pretty much all that I would like to say.
Your telling me that bunch of amateurs (not in a bad context,please) could reverse-ingeneer SOD files, but paid programmers of company who has legal rights to ALL things HOMM including resources, can't do it? You must be joking me.
Without all things this expansions added, this is worthless to me. And just to be clear, I never asked for a remake, so that I could snow about it now... 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted December 10, 2014 12:55 PM |
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Pavijan said:
Your telling me that bunch of amateurs (not in a bad context,please) could reverse-ingeneer SOD files, but paid programmers of company who has legal rights to ALL things HOMM including resources, can't do it? You must be joking me.
They said it themselves 
mmh7.ubi.com said:
Community team note: But why only RoE? To understand the origin of the project and its development we need to go back to 2003. At that time we asked New World Computing to retrieve their archives for all the Might & Magic titles. We found tons of documentation and data but regarding Heroes III we had nothing but the usable source code of Heroes III Restoration of Erathia. .
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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 02:11 PM |
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Edited by orzie at 14:32, 10 Dec 2014.
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These words are just an excuse, LW. Don't take it seriously.
The Russian company, Buka, which has the rights to localize HoMM series in Russia, has the source codes up to Heroes Chronicles at least. The fact of Ubisoft not having the source codes for Heroes series is impossible and should not be even considered.
I'm pretty sure it's just an experiment. If the RoE remake will go fine, we will see AB and SoD for sure... for just $30 each! God bless the modern business model.
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Where is this image taken from? The 14 images I could see on the MM7 site don't have any area on it which matches the one below. Where did it come from?
If you didn't see it, it doesn't mean that this does not exist
http://ru.riotpixels.com/games/heroes-of-might-and-magic-3-hd-edition/screenshots/
I am not an insider, and didn't see any images from any beta/gamma/whatever versions either.
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You do realise that the screenshot is a .JPG file that's the result of someone pressing "PrintScr", right?
You do realize that the wrong shadows angle and the absence of the shadow do not appear even after saving the image as JPG?
This "HD remake" is obviously a rough draft of what might have been if this game was developed by professional Ubisoft designers rather than a team of student freelancers. I hate Ubi for such greedy politics even more now. They get much more money from TES series etc. and obviously don't see a reason to put a lot of effort in a not-so-actual franchise.
They even didn't fix the font alignment and the graphic bugs inherited from the classic game (wrong position of the luck icon for example). It's a trash made for smartphones.
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lordriton
Known Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 02:48 PM |
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Wow ! I love it ! The graphics are great !
...who cares about shadow angles or salamanders
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Sorry for my miserable english, i'm french.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted December 10, 2014 02:57 PM |
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I think that Ubi could keep the h3 style very simple without so much effort. This is just a quick sketch I did in 15 minutes in Photoshop by playing around with the original 14-year-old Necropolis townscreen, ofc with Ubi's resources and experts they could do it much better, but the idea is that they just need to play a little with the contrast and sharpness rather than redraw it.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted December 10, 2014 03:06 PM |
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orzie said:
The Russian company, Buka, which has the rights to localize HoMM series in Russia, has the source codes up to Heroes Chronicles at least. The fact of Ubisoft not having the source codes for Heroes series is impossible and should not be even considered.
Where did Buka obtain those rights and source code? From NWC? And what's also relevant, was this before 2003 or after? The reason I am asking is because I am also considering the following scenario: it might very well be that Ubisoft got in touch with NWC for proprietory rights after Buka got them, at which point the source code of anything beyond RoE was already lost. Remember that NWC was already down the drain before Ubisoft picked it up.
And this also begs another question: did Ubisoft even contact Buka for the source codes of the missing components of NWC's inventory?
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I'm pretty sure it's just an experiment. If the RoE remake will go fine, we will see AB and SoD for sure... for just $30 each! God bless the modern business model.
I suspect both to be true ...
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Where is this image taken from? The 14 images I could see on the MM7 site don't have any area on it which matches the one below. Where did it come from?
If you didn't see it, it doesn't mean that this does not exist
I didn't imply it didn't exist, I was just curious about the source . Makes me wonder, though, if the Russian site got this image, why isn't it shown on the Ubi site itself?
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You do realise that the screenshot is a .JPG file that's the result of someone pressing "PrintScr", right?
You do realize that the wrong shadows angle and the absence of the shadow do not appear even after saving the image as JPG?
I wasn't commenting on the shadows, but on the pixelation of the Sulfur resource. I must admit I never paid attention to the shadows in the game as it is today, but it's noticable in this polished one - even between different tree clumps. It's like different artists worked on them, without coordinating effects that are present in just about every graphic.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 10, 2014 03:58 PM |
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the tower or inferno town screens seem to be right. the deity of fire looks so damn cool.
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