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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 03, 2023 03:14 PM |
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Yeah in there also Mormon country, when their story told Jesus visited country.. But where is gold bar..
Ok again.. Yes the sin did us death.. Some stepped into heaven, because they are the God's chosen.. Another awake in the paradise.. Ok Hitler can't get a resurrection, but I'm not judge.. What Jesus promised to crime on the mountain.. When Armageddon comes here.. Evil people destroyed.. They don't believe in the Bible, etc but multitude and some relievers get live 1000 years. And resurrection starts in the paradise and Satan and his demons go to prison.. So Jesus teaches right and real religion also write a new biblical pages.. 1000 years after Satan and his demons come on the Earth.. Many people go to fall into sin.. Then they destroy too Satan out.. It means second death, when some died before Armageddon.. Some strong believer wins all.. And go to paradise eternally..
IMPOSSIBLE! One bug you lost all.. Because you are 100% complete same as Adam and Eve.. The Bible said sand and sea are people go to sin.. So over 70% sea in the world plus sand..
NAUGHTY CHILDREN become good in Jewish fabulous..
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ArdentWyrm
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posted January 03, 2023 06:28 PM |
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what's the purpose of this thread?
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Torment is blinding. It lies. Its pollution steals my sense. It promises: destroy everything and the pain will cease.
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Gandalf196
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posted January 03, 2023 08:51 PM |
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I attended catechism classes, I was confirmed, but nothing persuaded me about the existence of the Deity. That lasted roughly up to my 24th birthday. My personal studies led me to a path where His inexistence was a logical impossibility. My journey (I found out later on) is very similar to that of German Paleontologist Günter Bechly (his personal website for reference: https://www.bechly.at/). Being very open and honest about it , while Christianity has a lot of good stuff going about it (and great thinkers as well, looking at you, Saint Thomas), I find it immensely hard to profess the belief that Jesus was actually God.
First, why this particular holy book? There are many others -- the Bible and the Torah are not even the oldest ones; a lot of mystical and metaphysical stuff was being discussed in India when those books were far from theirs first drafts. Not to talk about the Sumerian Myths that inspired some stories like Noah's ark.
Secondly, supposing I am willing to live according to Scripture, there are so many rulings, so many contradictory teachings. Of course, here and there one can find golden things such as the Sermon on the Mount, but what I observe is that believers do practice a lot of cherry-picking when it comes to following the Bible, and I mean a lot, especially about sex.
Third, the nature of reality itself, when observed with an open mind and honest critical thinking, begs for the existence of an intelligence outside of time and space capable of "starting the show". That notion of Creator is accessible to every human being on this planet. The life and teachings of Jesus Christ, at least to me, feel too local and (some of them) too arbitrary. Of course, since we are talking about the maximum being, He can choose as he pleases, no question about that. If He did so, He did so, period. The problem is that I do not believe He did and Christianity just went mainstream due to the political shenanihans of Roman emperors (one might say that's evidence for divine providence, but I don't find that idea persuasive at all).
I'd like some Christians to fight me about this 
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purerogue
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posted January 03, 2023 09:06 PM |
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Gandalf196 said:
I'd like some Christians to fight me about this
without using "whatboutism"
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Gandalf196
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posted January 04, 2023 01:42 AM |
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purerogue said:
Gandalf196 said:
I'd like some Christians to fight me about this
without using "whatboutism"
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 04, 2023 03:25 AM |
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Gandalff said:
Third, the nature of reality itself, when observed with an open mind and honest critical thinking, begs for the existence of an intelligence outside of time and space capable of "starting the show"
Not really. Our brains evolved in space-time to think in continuities but a persona that "starts" time before time itself (what can "before" even mean in such a case) is actually a much more problematic explanation than the puzzle it tries to solve. It is a much simpler explanation that space-time somehow came into existence as the very primitive form of early universe, than to presume some intelligent, sopnisticated persona to do the same. Saying "God is beyond or out of time" means nothing, those are just empty words, intelligence can not exist without time because intelligence is motional.
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted January 04, 2023 03:59 AM |
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ArdentWyrm said:
what's the purpose of this thread?
Discussion.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 04, 2023 12:41 PM |
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Yes I want to destroy wrong religious teachings, because I can't stand people with delusional knowledges. I don't like they become believer with very dirty knowledge. I call brainwashed. If right religion, so many people can't become believer, because they feel harsh, etc I know a material/knowledge said people chose religion, when it feels an easy. I hate a idealistic speaker about religion. I want religions go to out from our world.. and the world's top researchers analyze the Bible, and they publish real and right teaching.. And then one religion in the world.. I can live it with, because they know that elephant isn't a phantom in their room, when it is psychosis due to the Bible taught what's the false in the room.. Example UFO isn't satanic work, because of satan can't become/change a metal, etc In the Bible gave already.. Satan can't change man.. etc The God took their superpower magic out.. Then using a logic.. Satan can touch items.. It's poltergeist.. What about Ouija? Ok the Bible said materials are destroyed, but 1800-1900's dark magic is back.. Logic and sense said new material isn't real and they recognized all dark magic is fake.. What the Bible said? The God don't like fabulouses.. It means also Heroes 3.. Ok I demand all wrong religion destroys.. Because you understand lastly.. and you want or not join to real religion.. Simple! Also safe!
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JollyJoker
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posted January 04, 2023 05:51 PM |
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Right religion? How could a religion ever be proven to be right? I mean, if it was, it wasn't a religion anymore but a scientific fact.
Anyway, when I hear "intelligent design" I wonder what exactly would constitute the intelligent part because if the creation was designed, it was anything but intelligent. Instead I only see wasteful try and error end endless repetition, something I'd expect from some semi-intelligent (and maybe semi-conscious) hive-mind.
Creator-beings would only mean something if there was any possibility of CONTACT. If there wasn't, it was as meaningless as the question what might beyond the radius of what we can possibly observe due to the light of it never being able to reach us. With a being that designed this VAST universe (which might just be one of an infinite number) with a past of between 13 and a couple hundred billion years, depending on which theory of origin you want to believe, any contact must be absolutely impossible.
Which means, intelligent design has absolutely nothing to offer.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 04, 2023 06:04 PM |
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I meant truth about the Bible. What is the God's name, etc Different religion teaches different teachings and things.. No idea or something about the Bible.. A very good disorder also belief plague.. You must fire to a new religion founder.. Because his/her idea.. and many people believe him/her.. So top level researchers can give a right teaching.. Then many religions destroy off in Islam, Hindu, Catholic, etc The world found a new and only one religion talks all truth..
Ok science..
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JollyJoker
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posted January 04, 2023 07:09 PM |
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The trouble is that people even argue about the ionterpretation of LAWS - which are formulated with the idea in mind that they should be unambiguous.
A text like the Bible will always offer a plethora of different interpretations especially since the texts are initially in Hebrew, Aramaic and Old Greek and translations can never be 100& authentic.
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted January 05, 2023 03:10 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
The trouble is that people even argue about the ionterpretation of LAWS - which are formulated with the idea in mind that they should be unambiguous.
A text like the Bible will always offer a plethora of different interpretations especially since the texts are initially in Hebrew, Aramaic and Old Greek and translations can never be 100& authentic.
That is a real problem, I agree.
Further, would I be a Christian today if I had been born in India or the Middle East or the Far East, or in a Jewish community ? I think most likely not...
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 05, 2023 06:07 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
The trouble is that people even argue about the ionterpretation of LAWS - which are formulated with the idea in mind that they should be unambiguous.
A text like the Bible will always offer a plethora of different interpretations especially since the texts are initially in Hebrew, Aramaic and Old Greek and translations can never be 100& authentic.
Isn't true. Translators received texts. But the teachings aren't the same. Why? Catholic, and their Virgin Mary. Lutheranism used the God's name is Lord. Pentecostalisms believed Jesus is the God. What the Bible never said about them.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 05, 2023 08:35 AM |
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 05, 2023 09:18 AM |
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Luther is a mad wrote the God's name is Lord. I know Luther, but a new fact he can't speak Hebrew, etc Thanks..
Yes texts are good, but maybe you like the emphatic diaglott 1864.. or Estonian Bible.. But can you read their language? Those are the same.. Only they changed God's name, replaced old words to today words, etc Then you notice everyone is in about the same but no teachings.. I destroy their teachings.. I don't destroy the Bible..
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 05, 2023 09:51 AM |
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Ghost said:
Luther is a mad wrote the God's name is Lord. I know Luther, but a new fact he can't speak Hebrew, etc
Luther was many things, but not mad. I respect his theological activities and even if he was far from perfect, he did his best in obeying the word of the Bible and the Reformation remains an essential page in the history of Christianity for me.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted January 05, 2023 09:57 AM |
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You know the Bible said that the God can't stand wrong translators.. esp. God's name.. DD! I don't like Luther same as Augustine of Hippo.. They go to death or hell.. Because of wrong teacher what the Bible promised..
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 05, 2023 10:10 AM |
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Ghost said:
You know the Bible said that the God can't stand wrong translators.. esp. God's name.. DD! I don't like Luther same as Augustine of Hippo.. They go to death or hell.. Because of wrong teacher what the Bible promised..
But in the Bible God has many names. Adonai (the Lord), Elohim, El, Shaddai (Almighty), YHWH. It's not wrong.
We all go to death. But the second death, that's another matter.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted January 05, 2023 10:13 AM |
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No true.. You trust too translators.. 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted January 05, 2023 10:14 AM |
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Ghost said:
No true.. You trust too translators..
Okay then what is God's name? You tell me.
Let me guess, Jehovah? That's also a man-made thing you know. 
Some say Jehovah, some say Yahweh, and others may say Allah. So what? What is the issue?
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