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JollyJoker
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posted January 15, 2023 04:59 PM |
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Haha, good one. 
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 15, 2023 05:12 PM |
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JJ, I can only speak for myself and not for every believer in God, but it is simply more comforting for me to believe in a creator who loves us and in life beyond the grave than to believe I'm just an evolved animal who meets oblivion after a life with plenty of suffering.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 15, 2023 05:46 PM |
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But the logical consclusion of what you say is that this "loving" God WANTS you to live a life of suffering.
Do you know any sane, halfway intelligent loving being who has "created" another - like parents - wbo wants their creations to luve a life of suffering?
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posted January 15, 2023 09:45 PM |
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@JJ
The official explanation is that humans live in suffering now because of the sins of our first parents. Add to that the belief that God gives Satan free roam to harm us and tempt us. I know you don't believe in all that but there's no other one I can give you.
Bottom line for me is, we don't KNOW what happens after death, so I'd rather live with a belief that there is a God who controls the fates rather than believe that it's all due to chance and coincidences.
@Gandalf
We're called to be perfect, just as our Father in Heaven is perfect.  Thank you brother.
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Ghost
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posted January 16, 2023 08:39 AM |
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@JJ
I've seen their suffering.. Because of the world is a very poor.. Russia-Ukraine, WTC, corona, debt, climate, people, oil and electric, etc No you live the same 1990's ago.. or if you are still older age, so all went to poor than 1980's, 1970's.. When it started? 1914.. Ok JWs views were Satan and his demons came on the Earth.. But true WW1.. and then all went to poor.. Ok they need a peace.. So the best to destroy religion.. and build one religion in the world.. Then what our law developed at.. So we need something yet.. It would be one law..
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JollyJoker
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posted January 16, 2023 08:39 AM |
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@ Drakon
I don't ask for an explanation why God does this or that. I ask for an explanation why you choose to believe in a being that did despicable things, and why you accept that kind of silly reasoning.
You don't have to believe in random creation and oblivion after death. You can believe whatever you want and whatever you like, after all.
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posted January 16, 2023 08:42 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
@ Drakon
I don't ask for an explanation why God does this or that. I ask for an explanation why you choose to believe in a being that did despicable things, and why you accept that kind of silly reasoning.
You don't have to believe in random creation and oblivion after death. You can believe whatever you want and whatever you like, after all.
Okay. In that case my answer is that I choose to believe in this specific God because I was born in Southeast Europe. If I had been born in India, China, or Japan, Indonesia, parts of Africa etc, I would now have a different religion and God. I admit it.
But you are right, I am free to believe whatever I like. Everyone is.
The problem of evil and suffering is one I wrestle with daily, believe me.
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artu
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posted January 16, 2023 06:32 PM |
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There is no "modern synthesis." Evolution is not faith, it is a scientific fact verified by genetics, paleanthology, geology, molecular chemistry, embryology, statistical computer simulations and a zillion other branches of the body of knowledge we have. And they all fit like a glove. At this point, you can look up any animal from wikipedia and its evolutionary history will be there, it is standard biology.
Creationism is a totally unsupported belief. Period. Nobody needs to syhthesize anything. You can believe in some god while acknowledging evolution of course, but that is not a theoretical synthesis.
In 2023, if you deny the existence of evolution, you can have two excuses:
1- You live away from civilization, like in a jungle tribe or something.
2- You have a mental defect.
Other than these, you would be the equaivalent of flath-earthers. And it would be totally justifiable to treat you as one and not take you seriously, which would exactly be the case in any educated, literate environment.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:57 PM |
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I believe in evolution, so yes faith.. You can't see missing link, etc but you believe in evolution..
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artu
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posted January 16, 2023 07:01 PM |
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There is no missing link. You also "believe in" the existence of atoms, that doesnt make it the belief of atomism. Knowledge is not religious faith.
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Ghost
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posted January 16, 2023 07:14 PM |
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posted January 16, 2023 07:44 PM |
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artu said:
There is no "modern synthesis." Evolution is not faith, it is a scientific fact verified by genetics, paleanthology, geology, molecular chemistry, embryology, statistical computer simulations and a zillion other branches of the body of knowledge we have. And they all fit like a glove. At this point, you can look up any animal from wikipedia and its evolutionary history will be there, it is standard biology.
Creationism is a totally unsupported belief. Period. Nobody needs to syhthesize anything. You can believe in some god while acknowledging evolution of course, but that is not a theoretical synthesis.
In 2023, if you deny the existence of evolution, you can have two excuses:
1- You live away from civilization, like in a jungle tribe or something.
2- You have a mental defect.
Other than these, you would be the equaivalent of flath-earthers. And it would be totally justifiable to treat you as one and not take you seriously, which would exactly be the case in any educated, literate environment.
Artu, you are the typical educated fool, if you don't mind my saying -- you never do your own research, you just parrot the mainstream narrative, no matter the subject.
As an engineer I absolutely refuse to buy into "chance plus selection" as the driving force behind the spetacular diversity of life. Serious scientists have been questioning what you call "scientific fact", but paradigms take decades to crumble.
https://skepticalinquirer.org/2022/05/the-failures-of-mathematical-anti-evolutionism
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posted January 16, 2023 08:36 PM |
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That is a synthesis between Darwin's principle of natural selection and Mendel's genetic heritage experiments with beans. Of course, I know about that. You asked Drakon, how he reconciles his beliefs with evolution, so when you talked about a synthesis, it naturally sounded like you were talking about a synthesis between evolution and creationism. It is obvious from my answer, that I'm reffering to such a synthesis, isn it?
It is you who is the fool, if you are under the impression that googling creationist crap is "doing your own research." I read books about evolution. And no, there arent serious scientists who question evolution on any serious scale, just check "Project Steve" while you are at it. Today, evolution is as factual as atoms or germs, that is not going to change, no matter what a nobody who believes in black magic and similar stuff believes in. The theory may expand, discover new mechanisms and so on, but at this point, expecting it to go away is not different than expecting people will realize the earth was actually flat. As I already said, you are on par with flat-earthers here, it must not be too hard to imagine how ridiculous it sounds when a flat-earther accuses you of not doing your research. Here's a little tip to you: The last peerreviewed scientific article that doubted the existence of evolution is from 1910's.
For someone who thinks man and dinosaurs lived happily ever after together at some point, you really should pick your words carefully. It would not even be a sport for me to mock them. Btw, it really sounds funny how you always feel the need to mention you are an engineer as if it has to do with anything:
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posted January 16, 2023 11:08 PM |
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I nominate this as the funniest thread of 2023
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 17, 2023 03:54 AM |
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@Ghost
Those who have done good are resurrected to life and those who have done evil are resurrected to judgement. Hitler and Joe too. Everyone. They stand trial. Great White Throne Judgement.
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Ghost
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posted January 17, 2023 08:52 AM |
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It's Pentecostalism.. No sense!
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 17, 2023 08:57 AM |
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Ghost said:
It's Pentecostalism.. No sense!
Nay, it's not pentecostalism. It's just my own belief based on the Bible. 
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Ghost
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posted January 17, 2023 10:18 AM |
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Ok I explain why a 100 years, etc
Before 1000 years..
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
- Luke 23:39-43
And then if he rejects belief in the paradise
Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.
- Isaiah 65:20
So.. the next very hard..
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and snowmongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
- Revelation 22:14-15
And.. easier..
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
- Revelation 20:12-15
When 1000 years after.. Satan goes to..
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. - Revelation 19:20
BUT Revelation 20:12-15.. They live without Satan, demons.. So the book of life knows all about his/her life.. And they go to..
In there aren't eternal life.. When fire lake destroys souls, bodies, spirits.. They go to death place..
Ok this post is the last.. I don't want to talk about religion in every day.. Insane the Bible and believer!.. Turn a evolution, UFO!
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posted January 17, 2023 01:44 PM |
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Why?
We can't know number of dead*.. They get a resurrection, and Jesus also Jesus taught his resurrection people will continue to teach the Bible**.. When time comes end, and Satan tests resurrection people to sin.. Another survives from the sin.. Who people failed to damnation.. When Satan's testing time comes end, and Satan goes to firelake.. But resurrection will continue, so the God asks the book of life.. It says what kind of person earlier life.. Hitler, murder, etc so he/she goes to firelake aka second death.. If an average Joe, then releases to the paradise..
*Noah's time was 20 million people in the world.. It after 5 million.. In 1900 year the world reached 1.000.000.000.. It's scientific fact.. Noah or not, in there was 20 million people..
**Right, truth teaching without false, fake, wrong fact..
Why a multitude? And learn the Bible, etc
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. - Romans 10:10
Ok my analyses.. You see it's not bad.. But other said people go to hell, etc Too bad that they translated into hell, but you read the second death..
First death means "For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten." - -Ecclesiastes 9:5
Hmm Ok 
No more the Bible, religion..
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posted January 17, 2023 05:50 PM |
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This thread is pages long: 
