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Neraus
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posted November 16, 2016 10:43 PM |
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That happens when you muddy the waters by adding a second word to another binary concept.
Sex is either male or female, XY or XX, there is no escape from that.
But if we add the magical word gender, then we can do as we please, and so you can be whatever the hell it is, after all there is such a thing as gender-fluid, if you could buy an explanation of gay or trans-folk as having the brain connections of the opposite sex how do you explain gender-fluids, do they have another strand of brains?
I'm all for being respectful, but I'm going to move towards helping to accept yourself, not to comfort you and telling you: "Yes, you are".
And that's why I think Stevie made the best choice, after all, why should we force him to do something that would make him and that "friend" uncomfortable?
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 10:45 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:50, 16 Nov 2016.
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@fred
Being transgender is not about which sex you find attractive but which sex you identify yourself with, this is still determined by your biological development. I mean, just look at hermaphrodites, they still inherit DNA from two heterosexual parents, what does that change?
@Neraus
So, no, in some cases, sex/gender is not binary even on a "penis or vagina" level, put aside the spectrum determined by hormones.
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fred79
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posted November 16, 2016 10:47 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:50, 16 Nov 2016.
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@ neraus:
respect is earned, and that respect can be taken away when you've shown you don't even respect reality, ffs.
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fred79
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posted November 16, 2016 10:49 PM |
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artu said:
I mean, just look at hermaphrodites, they still inherit DNA from two heterosexual parents, what does that change?
hermaphodites are the only people i don't lump with the others, because they were BORN that way; they didn't CREATE themselves that way.
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 10:55 PM |
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fred79 said:
artu said:
I mean, just look at hermaphrodites, they still inherit DNA from two heterosexual parents, what does that change?
hermaphodites are the only people i don't lump with the others, because they were BORN that way; they didn't CREATE themselves that way.
Well, that is the thing, on hermaphrodites the transgenderity is on a genitalia level, so it's easier to grasp. But that does not mean the ones that go through the same gender crossings because of neurological or hormonal irregularities are living a fantasy, it's still all biological.
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fred79
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posted November 16, 2016 10:57 PM |
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sorry dude. plumbing's plumbing. if you cater to someone's delusion, you are only reinforcing it. and that's not helping anyone.
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 11:01 PM |
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Yeah, I guess that's why one in five commit suicide if they cant have sex change operations, because plumbing is plumbing...
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Neraus
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posted November 16, 2016 11:02 PM |
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@artu
Atypical genomes are usually unstable and bring within them serious developmental issues, the lack or the surplus of sex chromosomes are no exception, not only do they most likely cause sterility but also have some other external side effects.
Are we now classifying genetic disorders as other sexes?
Even in the case of both sex organs appearing at the same it's more likely that one is vestigial thus even then one is either one or the other. If there is the case of a fertile hermaphrodite capable of impregnating and at the same time being impregnated I'll concede on a possible third sex.
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 11:13 PM |
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Why is your criteria reproductive capabilities when the subject is gender identity? Are we talking about stallions to breed? If because of this reason or that, somebody has the biological urges of a woman although they physiologically have a penis, then it is very obvious that sex and gender are two different words for a very good reason and the case we are looking at is not the equivalent of, say, a teenager who wants to fantasize about being a vampire. A genetic irregularity does not make you a leper or someone who has to regulate himself/herself to the "norm," why should it?
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AlHazin
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posted November 16, 2016 11:14 PM |
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This is my last post of the night, it has been a tiring day.
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Gryphs
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posted November 16, 2016 11:16 PM |
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If you have a sex change and can convince others you are the opposite sex, not having to ask others to call you it, than I do not care. At which point calling them by the original titular words is, in my opinion, a pointless crusade in a@@holery.
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fred79
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posted November 16, 2016 11:40 PM |
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artu said:
Yeah, I guess that's why one in five commit suicide if they cant have sex change operations, because plumbing is plumbing...
and how many hermaphrodites do you know, artu, that could concrete such "evidence"? or are you merely going off of the same propaganda that is telling us to accept delusional bullsnow like gender "identities"? i mean, really, dude. it's koolaid, plain and simple. and you're guzzling it down; when you, nor i, know jack snow about how many hermaphrodites kill themselves, except for the fact that biologically, they have a penis and a vagina.
or maybe, the chart or whatever you're gleaning your information from, merely points to the "fact" that hermaphrodites are so uncomfortable with who they are, that 1 in 5 commit suicide? i rather doubt it.
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 11:47 PM |
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Not hermaphrodites, transexuals who cant have the operation, you were against the transexuals remember, hermaphrodites were ok in your book because they were born that way. It's in the article Lizard linked in this thread, I quoted that part and we both made comments about it. Once again, I made the mistake of assuming that you read through a 2 page thread before commenting on it 
And sorry but the concept of gender is not propaganda, it's pretty legit.
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Stevie
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posted November 16, 2016 11:51 PM |
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Neraus said:
@artu
Atypical genomes are usually unstable and bring within them serious developmental issues, the lack or the surplus of sex chromosomes are no exception, not only do they most likely cause sterility but also have some other external side effects.
Are we now classifying genetic disorders as other sexes?
Even in the case of both sex organs appearing at the same it's more likely that one is vestigial thus even then one is either one or the other. If there is the case of a fertile hermaphrodite capable of impregnating and at the same time being impregnated I'll concede on a possible third sex.
This, very much this.
I'm glad you agree with me Neraus, as a brother of the faith that's a reassuring thing. I wish there could be any other way, but given my beliefs and his there's probably no room left for reconciliation.
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artu
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posted November 16, 2016 11:57 PM |
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I guess, it's not unusual for "brothers of faith" to insist on a binary perspective of 2000 years despite all recent studies indicating that is just the surface.
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posted November 17, 2016 12:07 AM |
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They are just trying to mess with you.
There is a comic named misfile I haven't read for ages, but the story is based on a guy is changed into a girl and no one in the world remember the guy ever was a guy, but believes he has always been a girl.
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fred79
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posted November 17, 2016 12:27 AM |
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artu said:
Not hermaphrodites, transexuals who cant have the operation, you were against the transexuals remember, hermaphrodites were ok in your book because they were born that way. It's in the article Lizard linked in this thread, I quoted that part and we both made comments about it. Once again, I made the mistake of assuming that you read through a 2 page thread before commenting on it
And sorry but the concept of gender is not propaganda, it's pretty legit.
now you know damn well that i never read anything before jumping into a thread. that'd be like checking to see if there are alligators in a pond before skinny dipping, and i'll have none of that. maybe i WANT the alligators to see me naked, have you ever thought of that? probably not.
regardless, i'm speaking in metaphor again.
gender is sex. sex is plumbing. 'nuff said. it wasn't until some self-delusional liars came along and started pushing the idea that gender was something other than plumbing, that people started spouting this bullsnow. just so you know. i'm sure if you try and think about it, you'll remember back to that time. it can't be that difficult, if I can think back to that time.
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Stevie
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posted November 17, 2016 12:29 AM |
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artu said:
I guess, it's not unusual for "brothers of faith" to insist on a binary perspective of 2000 years despite all recent studies indicating that is just the surface.
I'm not quite sure what esoteric reading you've been doing lately mate, but I suspect it's not the Bible, lol. I know that binaries might sometimes be hard to take at face value, but believe me, XY and XX is no false dilemma in human genetics, in fact it's about as foundational as it gets, lol. Your point resides solely on human psychology which is the real area where surface level knowledge and uncertainty resides, and it is my belief that minorities bank on such uncertainty to further their agenda with faux scientia. If that's really the case or not it's ultimately irrelevant, we can already ascertain with a fair degree of accuracy whether a body is male or female, but if you believe percentages should be involved then go ahead and entertain us with the notion, lol.
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artu
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posted November 17, 2016 01:02 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:11, 17 Nov 2016.
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We are not inserting a third body form or a third genitalia in an anatomy textbook. Human SEXUALITY is not binary and the very existence of men who feel like women or the opposite is enough to realize this even on an empirical level. When trying to dismiss the crucial difference between sex (as in anatomical body parts) and gender (sexual identity), throwing the ball to spoiled minorites pushing agendas or some overwhelmingly laughable argument of "faux scientia," it would be nice to keep in mind that these people dont exist only in liberal democracies, they also exist in countries where they sometimes risk death penalties trying to unsuccessfully and desperately hide who they are. Not that they weren't known in ancient times either, they were, but the explanation was different, they were tricked by the devil or from a cursed tribe or had genies possessing their body... etc etc. Today, we know better, we know that the anatomical body parts on the surface are not all that determines your sexual identity or orientation, it also has a lot to do with your hormone levels, your neurological wiring and your psychological upbiringing. None of these things are factors you arbitrarily decide. But since most "brothers of faith" have a problem to pronounce that we indeed know better than the ancient times of their books, they are unwilling to just acknowledge that, so it turns into a rationalization process of justifying their faith by side-arguments like "they are sick because they cant have babies" (as if everyone must have them) or "muddying the waters despite XX and XY" which is just the anatomical end result in some cases and in rarer cases even not that (hermaphrodites). But the real muddying is actually pretending this is not about determination to a faith, which is not structured upon reason when it comes to such issues but social tradition back when people were only able to see the surface and had no means of understanding the nuance between anatomy and gender.
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fred79
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posted November 17, 2016 01:36 AM |
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ok, i'll make this simple.
1. is this a lizard, a snake, or a male human?
2. is this a tiger, a cat, or a female human?
3. is this a vampire, or a female human?
4. is this a leopard, or a male human?
5. are these mummies from a tomb, or are these children dressed up and pretending to be mummys from a tomb?
now, do you think those children merely pretending, are going to attempt to push the idea that they're mummies on people, after Halloween has come and gone? do you see why it would be foolish to do so, if you want to be taken seriously? but now, supposing for a second, that many, many people wanted to be mummies, and put forth the idea that, they are ACTUALLY mummies; and that anyone who denied them this idea, were "oppressing them"?
do you see where i'm going with this? do you see just HOW retarded this all is?
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