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posted July 31, 2020 11:28 AM |
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Oh yeah, don't make me start, here it's one huge scandal after the other, that doesn't spare any level of government.
Our own commissar for the health crisis response in Sicily got arrested for corruption. They're investigating fraud in the purchase of equipment in Lombardy, and something similar happened in Lazio (but because it's run by the secretary of one of the majority parties they aren't investigating, hooray for democracy).
And then the hoarding of the government of equipment before the crisis began without any distribution.
I could go on for the entire day, point being: Governments found the golden egg hen with the virus, at the cost of thousands of lives.
One could ask what a different government would have done, unfortunately, we don't have a reference, plus, who knows if they also would fall to the same level of corruption.
The ride never ends.
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posted July 31, 2020 11:39 AM |
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I read this thread with help of translation tool. But I can not understand some replys very well. I believe you are all wise men, you should just do what you believe right. May virus keep away from you.
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posted July 31, 2020 12:02 PM |
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@Nearus To tell you the truth, I guess I would prefer to be tracked down by the chinese government then by: 1. my own government; 2. private corporations; 3. the European Community; 4. the USA, by this order.
It isn't a politic position, it's an evaluation of who has more power to influence my own life. The People's Republic of China is quite at the bottom of my concerns.
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posted July 31, 2020 12:14 PM |
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Spying isn't the only thing possible, the concern on being spied isn't a wrong one, but it's not the only thing, the biggest problem in Europe is dependence on Russian gas for example, imagine if we went to war with Russia, suddenly we'd be deprived of an essential resource. What if China after some hypothetical sanctions decides to retaliate on any level by restricting access to the network?
Moving on a fantasy scenario, if China invaded, they'd already have infrastructure set up for easy communication.
It's the principle that matters, telecommunications lines are currently native, mostly, so the government already has access to the tracking tools required, unfortunately. Adding a new third party to that tracking seems illogical to me.
I wouldn't trust my government, mind you, I definitely wouldn't let them track my phone if I can deny them the chance, but my hands are tied by the simple fact I am here.
China isn't benevolent, no country is, but I certainly would rather have the US than China, and that's coming from someone that would use the army to forcefully evict the US garrisons in our territory.
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posted July 31, 2020 12:34 PM |
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As I said, it's not a political position. It's a concern about a TPP of our own, where we are forced by contracts to buy products and pass laws that deeply f.ck my own ass... Currently the USA already has much more power in these trades then I would like it to.
I can name a bunch of American corporations that know much more about me then I would like and more and more it doesn't seem to be for my own good.
As an anecdotal example: two weeks ago I bait clicked a Playboy's stream about making cloths from vegetables... from that day on YouTube always has a recommendation for some Playboy streams. OTOH, I watch The Hill and TYT on a daily basis, yet if I spend a day without visiting that specific site I immediately stop seeing anything from them. F.ing algorithms they have...
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posted July 31, 2020 12:38 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
@Nearus To tell you the truth, I guess I would prefer to be tracked down by the chinese government then by: 1. my own government; 2. private corporations; 3. the European Community; 4. the USA, by this order.
It isn't a politic position, it's an evaluation of who has more power to influence my own life. The People's Republic of China is quite at the bottom of my concerns.
Gotta mostly agree with that, ngl. It's not like China can do much with that data and such, except sell it, which possibly wouldn't happen at all.
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Neraus said:
I really can not understand why you always get politics involved into a corona thread. Is the 7 hundred thousand death not worthy your any sympathy?
You are so benevolent to worry about China technology may kidnap your life. Can you be benevolent too to investigate how USA kidnap other countries's life with USA's technology in past years because they have been using USA's technology for long long time, telephone, satellite, computer, network, 2G/3G/4G and so on and on ? You agitate 5G will kidnap your life is only because USA are a little behind of China in this area. But you can not make sure USA be beyond others in all area all the time. Not all strong countries seek hegemon like USA. World need move forward.
The daily new cases of corona are keeping increase, we'd better agree that some countries' solution or people's attitude is bad. Those people who think social distancing is not necessary should go to hospital to work as volunteer for a few days and experience the importance of social distancing. I heard some voice from doctors that they are not only fighting against virus, but also fighting against stupidity.
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posted August 01, 2020 01:44 PM |
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lol, thank you for singling me out, I like to think I have the most sane objections in the current way things are being handled, at least because I don't want to subscribe to the most outlandish theories that have been proposed.
Now, bringing up the political issues is actually constructive, especially if you consider what the politicians are doing, I'll give one story from just today to show why I want people to realize the mishandling of the crisis.
Migrant crisis is restarting, hundreds are crossing the Mediterranean in dinghies again to come here illegally, with the current health situation it's already a disaster, and unfortunately, tens of them turn out to be positive to covid. What is the government doing? At first it ignored it, now it's sending ships and tents for quarantine.
Problem is, those have a capacity far smaller than the current influx, which means, either they'll get overcrowded, or escapes will happen again. Now, overcrowding quarantine facilities, is especially dangerous for these people, since who's the genius that allows people to be close to infected people? That's literally sentencing these migrants to become infected and stay in these ships for months (and that's far more inhumane than what the previous minister of the interior did). Then, there are many who are escaping lately, some of them positive. Put positive people in contact with towns that have successfully managed to contain the infections and suddenly you have spikes of infections again.
Heck, in the town I have my business in a Tunisian worker ignored quarantine orders, putting us all at risk of infection (it's a town of barely 4000 people)
As you can see, my bringing up politics is out of concern for people's lives, not some weird thing about liberty as some do, hope this cleared any objections you have.
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posted August 02, 2020 04:38 AM |
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Neraus said:
lol, thank you for singling me out,
Sorry, forgive me, I didn't really catch the point of what you and others are talking. I just think, people seams care politic more than corona virus.
I know each country has its own consideration, and make decision differently, maybe good or bad.
I am really worry about some countries that can not really realized their blunder. The increased daily new confirmed case means they are still in wrong way.
It is important to quarantine those people who come from risk areas for about 2 weeks. It is important to make sure each case can be tracked by whom he/she is inflected.So we can know where is the leak and shut it off.
For each of us, protect ourselves, and tell our friend to do the same.
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posted August 11, 2020 07:38 PM |
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Russia launches "Sputnik V" vaccine and one billion doses are ordered.
Who names a vaccine after a satellite? Call it something like "Vladimir Putin V" with a picture of his face on the bottle.
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posted August 11, 2020 07:55 PM |
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Better with a full torso shirtless pic. At least you should be forced to swallow something of the kind to survive.
Blizzardboy said:
I don't always have an opening ceremony, but when I do, I do it in the middle of a pandemic.
Stay thirsty my friends.
How can this be your post in that thread? You made a formal complain about thumbs being yellow but didn't rush to denounce someone posting that blasphemy in the name of YOUR religion? You're an hypocritical.
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posted August 11, 2020 08:01 PM |
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He has already been meme'd to death after his shirtless pics went viral. He needs a break.
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posted August 11, 2020 08:38 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
How can this be your post in that thread? You made a formal complain about thumbs being yellow but didn't rush to denounce someone posting that blasphemy in the name of YOUR religion? You're an hypocritical.
I am poking at Erdogan's irresponsibility in the pandemic, in case that wasn't obvious.
Also, things like Jumuah aren't blasphemy. It's a Muslim prayer service. The Hagia Sophia reverting to a mosque is of course regrettable but it was a long time coming under the current quasi-democracy/dictatorship. Far from a shock. When I become the president of the Byzantine Conglomerate I will restore it to its previous status as a museum.
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posted August 11, 2020 08:47 PM |
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American idiots, but our Blizz friend knows too hell much. A true brainer! 
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posted August 11, 2020 08:50 PM |
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I'm talking about what your fellow believer portrayed as YOUR god's intervention. And don't play it like you didn't understood the first time.
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posted August 11, 2020 09:01 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
I'm talking about what your fellow believer portrayed as YOUR god's intervention. And don't play it like you didn't understood the first time.
Honestly, I had no idea what you're talking about or why you're posting it in this thread. I can't read your mind.
You also seem angry like 75% of the time you ever post anything, whether it's at me or somebody else, and it gets old.
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posted August 11, 2020 09:07 PM |
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Yeah I'm talking about Blizz. What he wrote several things in hc history, an average American shouldn't know things. Maybe he's a teacher, so it affects the matter. Other of course he's American fellow thinks as USA.
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posted August 11, 2020 10:45 PM |
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Neraus said:
One could ask what a different government would have done, unfortunately, we don't have a reference, plus, who knows if they also would fall to the same level of corruption.
When corruption is written or said aloud, Brazilian polititians sniff the air hopefully. The same thing happening here. Plenty of resources (money) have been distributed to all states (not counting that for every covid-19 casualty, a state receives a dozen bucks), and a lot of that have been led astray, vanished, pocketed away, the usual scum-like behavior when the world is ending and some people forget they are part of it.
Funny thing is that the Press made all this pandemic a little more of a Political issue than Health issue. Taking advantage that our president is sort of a mule when it comes to speech, somehow, out of the blue, it is his that nobody did what he said they should do since the beginning. Not the opposite. One can be blamed for people following his lead. But now, they are blaming him for Governors NOT following his lead, getting around this and that on their own agenda; and of course, people being engulfed by the trouble. Tis being a very profitable pandemic to some local governments and Press companies.
Now, we have 3+ Million confirmed infections so far, around 72% already recovered by the way (Press always fails to announce that), might be much more due the difficulty of identifying positive cases, so a lot more might have been or is infected, such as well a lot more are already immune.
Problem here regards the uneven social infrastructure on my country. It is too vast and states are very different from each other and have very different leads on the pandemic. My state reached alone around 100k infected this week, around 1,5K casualties, the lowest fatality rate of all. Meanwhile, we have states with three or four times that death rate.
Not to mention a lot of stupid people doing stupid things, the usual Darwin-effect. Often we hear parties being broken by police officers, people traveling from a chaotic state to take 'vacations' on the other without knowing local directives upon the pandemic, so a lot of people spread around, unable to try and avoid mingling with people from places they don't know. In my state, things were rather smooth, it became known in TV. The next weekend, considering a out of season 30ºC heat in our winter, a lot of people from São Paulo popped up around here. Beaches were full of people. Two days later, the mayor closed beaches, gyms (gyms), shoppings (again), galleries (again), etc. Another thing that São Paulo Governor did: decided to hasten 2 holidays to make a 4-day off in the state. That was supposed to make people stay at home (not going to work, on the streets, you get the picture). But the naiive man forgot that Brazilians are lazy and unconcerned. So, everyone went to the litoral, to the beaches, and a great deal of them ended up here too.
This was a problem here, considering there are some 7 grouped cities where I live and some laws affected just this one and another, while the other cities had different approaches. Results were not coming as they wanted and it took a long while to have a unified decree.
I have also my mind split on several locations because my family and friends are kind of spread around the country, and each place has its own reality; plus my sister and mother living in Peru which is another bomb.
Meanwhile, money missing from public coffins and my governor is going to face impeachment soon.
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posted August 11, 2020 10:55 PM |
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It's clear there's a media line that has to be touted. Sicily had been with 0 cases daily, then in the last two weeks or so we started having 30 cases daily and today... 89. Guess what. 71 are illegal migrants.
So basically, we suddenly have become the region with the greatest increase, the ones with an infected population roaming the lands, ready to kill every old folk around.
We knew it, the moment trouble arrived here it would have been business as usual, those filthy subhumans that can't control themselves and their health.
Anyway. Reading your post is basically reading a chronicle from here actually, except the blame to the president, he's the saviour of the nation, do not question why.
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posted August 11, 2020 10:55 PM |
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What sucks about Peru is that they went into lockdown very early but they still got hit hard anyway because the virus was already spreading undetected. I know a lady working abroad in Peru who said she felt "very safe" on campus way back in March and now she's stuck and can't return to the States.
People try to use those examples to discredit intervention, but just imagine if Peru did nothing.
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