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posted August 11, 2020 11:08 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 23:12, 11 Aug 2020.
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Peru workforce is mostly informal. You can't just quarantine a country like that, or any other poor country for that matter, and think it will work like it would with a rich country. The more restrictions they gave people there were hoping that informality wouldn't become a real issue, or so my sister told me.
People could not leave home after 18h until 5h, nobody allowed outside home on Sundays. Just 1 person from each family allowed to go outside during the week to go shopping essentials. Old people and children not allowed going outside at all.
Meanwhile, a spike of suicides, starvation; my mother told people were feeding dogs with raw rice, because there was nothing else. Of course, people will start to despair and try to go on about their businesses furtively. And at the moment the government finally reopened things, people rushed back into business. They are about to declare 15-day quarantine again, but it's a bit too late now.
A lot of damage has been done around these countries, mine included, for dealing with quarantine as if the country could sustain that situation for long, besides not keeping in check a population that is not entirely educated, culturaly or not, with a high % of informal workforce. The problem, though, is that there was no precedent of such thing, so nobody had a real plan aside watching other countries behavior, even when their realities were very different.
Some people of my sister's community (she is a pastor) died already, but a lot more are suffering and also died (suicided too) because of indirect effects of this pandemic.
Neraus said:
... except the blame to the president, he's the saviour of the nation, do not question why.
Media here loves blaming the president. There was this locust cloud hovering around Paraguay and Argentina. Somehow, it was also his fault. Now, do not ask me why.
They often complain that he uses foul language and curses. When he talks about improvements and things no one can argue it's something really good, they complain that he talks too bluntly. It sounds kind of funny? Kind of ridiculous? That's our daily politics.
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posted August 11, 2020 11:19 PM |
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@Panda
Even if it's next-to-impossible to do a longer quarantine with a bunch of temp workers, the plan (which was a good plan) was that they could have shutdown, picked out the very small number of people that had it and kept them isolated and then the chain of transmission is broken, like what S. Korea and Taiwan did successfully.
It failed and now it's too late, but...it was the right idea.
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posted August 11, 2020 11:29 PM |
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But quarantine is the right idea, ideally, right? It just doesn't work the same way everywhere, I reckon. I really have no answer for the ideal scenario, except on a very holistical sense.
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posted September 25, 2020 04:20 AM |
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Frozen seafoods may be an important chain of virus transmission.
Chinese first case was found in a seafood market of Wuhan last winter.
Beijing & Dalian & Qingdao also find new infected cases in imported fronzen seafood relative procedure (porter, cutter) in recent months.
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posted October 11, 2020 09:43 AM |
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**** this ******* ***** Covid ****.
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posted October 11, 2020 06:17 PM |
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Galaad said:
**** this ******* ***** Covid ****.
What baguette saud. only with the rich vocabulary of slavic curse words. blyat.
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posted October 14, 2020 04:04 AM |
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Although the coronapocolypse continues its rampage I have gained a newfound appreciation for the beautiful leaves this October. The autumn forest after the rain this morning was simply astonishing. All the hickories and walnuts are going fully gold. The mountain stream behind my house was also covered with red/gold leaves on the rocks.
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posted October 16, 2020 11:01 AM |
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The regional president of Campania has closed schools due to concerns over the dramatic rise in cases in that region and the high risk of saturation of their intensive care units.
That baffled me a bit, since they have just 11 cases more than us in Sicily, and our president insists that there is no emergency yet here.
As it turns out, in these months there was no significant expansion of intensive care units in Campania, thus depending on the conversion of sub-intensive units, they've already reached a 50% to a 10% saturation of their units.
Meanwhile, here in Sicily we go from a 7,6% to a 5% saturation rate of our intensive care units (depending on conversion of sub-intensive care units).
At the start of the emergency we had a comparable number of units, while now we added 50% more units, and a lot more sub-intensive care units, the government of Campania... I don't know. as of now the province of Catania has more fixed ICUs than the whole of Campania.
Then there's the rabbithole of official statistics on per capita expense on covid hospitalisations, unfortunately I need to find more updated data, so this refers to the peak of the emergency in March-April, in which Campania spent 76308 euros for each patient, meanwhile Sicily 19929, so we spent almost a quarter of their money, that however, unfortunately, doesn't bring us close to what was spent in the epicenter, in Lombardia they spent 5178 euros for each patient, so, we spent four times as much.
I feel like it's important that people know that the emergency is such not only due to the nature of the virus, or because of some people not respecting norms, but also because of governments not correctly spending their money to make sure that if someone were to get the worst symptoms they can be cared for appropriately.
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posted October 18, 2020 10:47 PM |
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Qingdao, a coastal city in East China's Shandong province, has completed a citywide nucleic acid testing covering all its 11 million residents starting Monday, after a new cluster of local COVID-19 infections emerged.
Till Octo 18th, over 11 million of the collected samples had been tested within 5days, and results showed no new positive cases.
The re-emerged infections have led to 13 new confirmed cases. Inappropriate disinfection in the CT room at the Qingdao Chest Hospital was comfirmed to be responsible for the infections. this CT room has done inspection for infected port workers in Sept.
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posted October 19, 2020 01:01 AM |
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Qingdao is also a big tourist town famous for its clams and beer.
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posted October 19, 2020 06:19 PM |
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That's what I think of all this. 
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posted October 19, 2020 06:35 PM |
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I always thought the disregard of human lives was one of the hallmars of dictatorship, not forcetesting millions of people and coming up with results within a few days to avoid widespread contagion, which seems pretty effective.
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posted October 19, 2020 06:47 PM |
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If I don't WANT to wear a MASK on my face at all times when leaving home and they are forcing it on me, what do you call that, JJ?
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posted October 19, 2020 07:08 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
@Panda
Even if it's next-to-impossible to do a longer quarantine with a bunch of temp workers, the plan (which was a good plan) was that they could have shutdown, picked out the very small number of people that had it and kept them isolated and then the chain of transmission is broken, like what S. Korea and Taiwan did successfully.
It failed and now it's too late, but...it was the right idea.
This was a great plan at first and i even made a recommendation to that effect before we even had a furlough scheme. To keep the vulnerable at home or working from home while those at low risk carry on as normal. Downside was that at the time (late march) there was scant instruction from the Gov. And we had reports of people at little risk of complication dying or struggling to recover.
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posted October 19, 2020 07:39 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
If I don't WANT to wear a MASK on my face at all times when leaving home and they are forcing it on me, what do you call that, JJ?
I call that the same as if I don't want to pay taxes, but they are forcing it on me.
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posted October 19, 2020 07:45 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Drakon-Deus said:
If I don't WANT to wear a MASK on my face at all times when leaving home and they are forcing it on me, what do you call that, JJ?
I call that the same as if I don't want to pay taxes, but they are forcing it on me.
Okay, then I suppose you don't mind losing your personal freedom. But I do. I have nothing more to say to you on this matter.
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posted October 19, 2020 10:47 PM |
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I'm sure everyone that has ever lived under a real dictatorship will feel with you, seeing that your freedom is squashed under the heel of the dictate of forced mask wearing for protection of your fellow humans.
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posted October 20, 2020 07:07 AM |
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Protection... that's rich. 
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posted October 20, 2020 07:43 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Protection... that's rich.
Is it? Well then, what sinister purpose might have swayed the powerful to make a u-turn from having laws that explicitely forbid to wear face coverage in public (so that people's visages will be always visible for the gazillions of cameras and spy satellites around - speaking of personal "freedom") to the actual opposite? Think about it. Wearing face masks in public makes it impossible for the "agencies" of the world to identify people with global surveillance equipment.
Think about it. Demonstrations are still allowed - people just have to wear masks and keep safety distance.
A year ago, if there had been a demonstration with people being masked, they would all have been arrested (because you couldn't identify them if there had been an altercation with the cops).
A year ago, if two people had stopped their car before a bank, put on face masks and had started to went into it, people would have called the police and called in a robbery. Now they call the police if you are NOT wearing a mask.
I call that progress.
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posted October 20, 2020 07:53 AM |
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Whatever. Enjoy your "free" mask-wearing life then.
Ciao.
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