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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 07:16 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 19:17, 07 Mar 2022.
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The ideal world is the world where all nations live in peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Stop. It's not my words. I have nothing against defending your native soil, and not dumb enough to call nations for demilitarization. There have always been security risks induced by the very nature of humankind. But we, the people (again not mine lol), living in the 21st century, should understand that we can't guarantee the peaceful future of our children, any war has a certain goals for those who still live. And when someone speaks about the brighter future for his children, just know that he's a liar, he can't know what will really happen when he passes away. You can't wage wars today to prevent them in the future. It's nonsense. Because those who will live in the future are still humans with all their moral defects.
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posted March 07, 2022 07:16 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
I disagree - but I still don't see your point. What IS your point?
Well, my point could be that people who don't follow a conversation from start but instead pick it at the end then ask what's about, should better abstain. Ihor knows what's about, it was directed to him.
That's a strange thing to say. Because:
Salamandre said:
You have a point about denazification, ok.
That's what you said to Ihor, so the point seemed to have been conceded by you.
However, THEN you went:
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So when Putin says denazification, that means something.
And you followed that up with Quote:
From 2014 to 2019 Biletsky was a Member of Ukrainian Parliament. Neither France or Germany has anyone in parliament or even member of any parti, official or not official, who declared by the past things like "white race must rule over Jewish subhumans".
And at that point I asked what your actual point is - which you didn't say. Is your point that Putin is right? Or what is it.
Because no matter what you say, Zemmour is enough a Nazi - anti-semitic, racist, mysogynist, whatever you like, an extreme right-wing nationalist - and we have anough of that in Germany as well and even in the parliament, even if you close your eyes before that.
So what is your point? Do you even have one?
Because I don't see it.
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Salamandre
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posted March 07, 2022 07:28 PM |
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 07:53 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 19:54, 07 Mar 2022.
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Just think what will happen when all nations eventually create "the Earth empire"? Will it be American, Chinese, or Russian? But these games with "spheres of influence" are clearly provide the vector along which the humankind is moving. Do you think the humankind in its current state are able to live without "enemies"? Do you think we'll eventually find peace when this hypothetical empire is born? Pharaohs had their pyramids and you see what happened to them (both pyramids and pharaohs). But not all of them were clueless.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 07, 2022 08:13 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Zemmour is jewish. As usual when on those subjects, the ridicule is on your side.
His family were Algerian Jews. HE doesn't say anything about HIS religion, but he demands a Catholic France and is CLEARLY antisemitic in his public speeches - he denies the holocaust, defends antisemitic people lies about historic facts.
As usual on these subjects you are just too far on the right yourself to be open for the truth.
And I'm still waiting for that point of yours.
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posted March 07, 2022 08:15 PM |
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This thread is getting funnier with every page.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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posted March 07, 2022 08:18 PM |
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"the Earth Empire" is UN by JW's.. When King of the North came, and it after rising UN, what the Bible said united national never came power, but King of the North gave united national thinks community.. Hmm the same what EU was unity.. Russia surprised surely.. But today UN not yet.. Ok what you want believe in.. But South or North aka superpower is an old idea, thus UN is one..
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Salamandre
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posted March 07, 2022 08:22 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
And I'm still waiting for that point of yours.
JollyJoker said:
Because no matter what you say
Why would I, then.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 08:23 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 20:27, 07 Mar 2022.
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His family were Algerian Jews. HE doesn't say anything about HIS religion, but he demands a Catholic France and is CLEARLY antisemitic in his public speeches - he denies the holocaust, defends antisemitic people lies about historic facts.
While humankind "categorizes" people, it's bound to suffer. It's exactly how human logic works. If you can put a "<" or a ">" sign between ethnicities, you, probably, is not a human at all. You hate all Russians when they don't go to streets to protest against the war. But you know, one Russian tortures another Russian for that? And both sides think they are doing the right thing. Do you really think people can protest without the Second Amendment? They fear even their schoolmates in police now.
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posted March 07, 2022 08:50 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 20:57, 07 Mar 2022.
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AlexSpl said:
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I don’t see a contradiction between the fight against the Nazis and what is written in the article.
Well, doesn't the "Russian world" alone sound for you similar to what real Nazis were striving for?
No. "The Russian world" presupposes the union of the divided Russian people. If you think that the concept of "Russian world" implies an attitude of superiority in relation to others, then this simply reflects your own delusions.
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 09:02 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 21:03, 07 Mar 2022.
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@AlexSpl
You constantly ask questions that imply blaming the Russians.
And you almost never ask the opposite questions, although you declare
objectivity and a desire to understand everything. Considering that you are Belarusian, this is rather unpleasant (I can say the same about many young Russians who have a poor education and are poisoned by the influence of the West).
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posted March 07, 2022 09:02 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:05, 07 Mar 2022.
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Well, Ben, I understand your point of view. Let's take Belarus. This country is the closest one to Russia by the amount of ethnical Russians, and yet another half speeks Russian and don't have a clue that Belarusian language exists. So, would you bomb Minsk if the Belarusian people had chosen the EU integration? Now I think you would, just for the sake of the "Russian world" paradigma. So, in some sense our president was farsighted. But.. are you even capable for friendship? What would have happened if our pro-EU opposion won? And mind, that Belarus is divided too. Not everybody here support Russia aggression. Many are just confused. I'm speaking about people who still have their civil positions. We, the closest nation to Russia, fear Russia.
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posted March 07, 2022 09:06 PM |
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To be honest, it's scary to even think about some kind of conflict between Russia and Belarus. I just always imagined Belarusians as people with a "good character" 
Now the world has already begun to divide into different zones. And Europe is no longer the same. And many from the exUSSR still imagine Europe in the 70s.
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posted March 07, 2022 09:17 PM |
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About Western interference in the Belarusian elections a few years ago. I believe that this was a clear aggression, and this changed a lot in Lukashenko's head - he not only became more dependent on Russia, but he rethought a lot.
So the failure of the West in that aggression was a great success for Russia. As the Russian proverb says - "do not dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it".
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posted March 07, 2022 09:22 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
And I'm still waiting for that point of yours.
JollyJoker said:
Because no matter what you say
Why would I, then.
Because of your credibility. You don't have any left and you certainly don't get any by cobbling together quotes propaganda-style.
Or by suggesting Putin had a point with his denazification propaganda nonsense.
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posted March 07, 2022 09:25 PM |
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"About Western interference in the Belarusian elections a few years ago. I believe that this was a clear aggression, and this changed a lot in Lukashenko's head - he not only became more dependent on Russia, but he rethought a lot.
So the failure of the West in that aggression was a great success for Russia. As the Russian proverb says - "do not dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it".
I stayed away from this as long as I could. No wonder they say that Belarus is a testing ground for Russia. Our police is ruthless. I really thought that something wrong with our state, but you are the winner, no doubt.
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posted March 07, 2022 09:27 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
So, would you bomb Minsk if the Belarusian people had chosen the EU integration?
I'll tell you an interesting thing. In the late 90s, when Yeltsin still ruled Russia, and everything went to hell, many Russians from the state security agencies dreamed that Belarusian troops would come to us and restore order in the country.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 09:30 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:30, 07 Mar 2022.
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Ahaha. Well, I don't believe that our forces are capable for something. They are only brave to fight armless people. Don't count for them.
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 09:35 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 21:36, 07 Mar 2022.
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AlexSpl said:
Ahaha. Well, I don't believe that our forces are capable for something. They are only brave to fight armless people. Don't count for them.
This is not about real power, but about the snowball effect - that is, the Russians themselves needed a reason to change something.
Something like Crimea in 2014.
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posted March 07, 2022 09:44 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:46, 07 Mar 2022.
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Still, Ben, I don't know how to explain my point of view better. We must stop, not Russia alone, but the US, too. Do you want to say that the world after this conflict will be the same as before? Didn't you think about that NATO just waits while Russia will loose some of their forces, will be draught by sanctions and then will go offensive? Today I checked the overall power of NATO against Russia. And you know, they are stronger. But they are just not as reckless as Moscow, and think about their citizens and their wellfare. You can check the total power of NATO independently.
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