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artu
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posted January 16, 2023 06:13 PM |
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And being a racist in this age tells a lot about a person's quality, if you cant even qualify as a decent person, you cant qualify as a leader.
I can understand not looking anachronical at pre-WW2 leaders and give them a pass here and there because some level of racism was the norm back in those days but I sure wont vote for a racist today under any conditions.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:15 PM |
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purerogue said:
Ghost said:
I don't support parties..
Don't contradict yourself
I'm not interested in politics..
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posted January 16, 2023 06:25 PM |
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@JJ
They could call themselves the "white power" I wouldn't care, but their actions. Which of their proposal or laws are racist, none, again this crap about racism over irrelevant things.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:35 PM |
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Ghost said:
I'm not interested in politics..
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artu
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posted January 16, 2023 06:39 PM |
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@Sal
So you dont think that being ruled by a political force calling themselves the white power would have any cultural significance over your country?
And you dont think that if a political party are calling themselves "the white power" that would inevitably reflect how their politics about discrimination will be?
The truth is, it does matter but you are willing to overlook that because such parties policy about immigration is in sync with yours.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:39 PM |
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artu said:
And being a racist in this age tells a lot about a person's quality
The left lives in la-la land where everybody has infinite money, people don't die, bad things don't happen.
If you can't own anything, you won't care about anything, and we know where that goes.
Nihilism.
Back to the eternal divide, the have and have nots.
Is all politics, in the language of Ghost.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:43 PM |
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purerogue said:
artu said:
And being a racist in this age tells a lot about a person's quality
The left lives in la-la land where everybody has infinite money, people don't die, bad things don't happen.
If you can't own anything, you won't care about anything, and we know where that goes.
Nihilism.
Back to the eternal divide, the have and have nots.
Is all politics, in the language of Ghost.
A political party leader wouldnt be that poor in this age.
Saying poverty causes racism and saying that makes it okay are two very different things. I know people dont become racist out of their joy.
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posted January 16, 2023 06:51 PM |
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artu said:
A political party leader wouldnt be that poor in this age.
Saying poverty causes racism and saying that makes it okay are two very different things. I know people dont become racist out of their joy.
racism is weird, not my concern.. you can't control other people
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posted January 16, 2023 06:51 PM |
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Hmm you can use a translator https://yle.fi/a/3-6319085 but I don't participate a discussion, if you call them.. Ok https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_and_White_Front is a racist party, because I met, talked, etc with him.. Yes his philosophies, stories, etc But he is dead.. He hated drug users, wanted death warrant, but he saw me again, and I dressed hemp.. He changed mind.. Interesting! But raw..
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posted January 16, 2023 06:59 PM |
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The far right has become acceptable to normal people because the establishment left ONLY caters to the underprivileged at the expense of everyone else.
Not because people want to kill gypsies, intern the disabled, enslave other races.
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posted January 16, 2023 07:11 PM |
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Artu, at the abysmal point our civilization just reached, the cultural influence a slogan could do is the last of my concerns. Actions matter.
And btw, I didn't know this political movement so I went to their website. "True" finns isn't mentioned anywhere. So as usual, big fuss from nothing.
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posted January 16, 2023 07:22 PM |
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I havent said anything about Finnish politics. I replied to your comment about how even if a political figure IS racist, that's irrelevant.
That's an overstatement, it's like saying it wouldnt matter if they are thieves if they do a good job. And needless to say, if they really are racist, that would reflect on their policies and actions, too, anyway.
If what you mean is that you dont care about slanders about racism when it comes to some politicians because you think it is baseless propaganda, I can relate to that but it does matter if they are actually racist or not.
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posted January 16, 2023 07:26 PM |
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purerogue said:
The far right has become acceptable to normal people because the establishment left ONLY caters to the underprivileged at the expense of everyone else.
Not because people want to kill gypsies, intern the disabled, enslave other races.
Did some sort of socialism arrive that we're unaware of?
No. I think it's basically because of massive immigration and overzealous political correctness. They started to read so many things as racism, people feel cornered to the point of "so what if I am, damn it."
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posted January 16, 2023 07:33 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Artu, at the abysmal point our civilization just reached, the cultural influence a slogan could do is the last of my concerns. Actions matter.
And btw, I didn't know this political movement so I went to their website. "True" finns isn't mentioned anywhere. So as usual, big fuss from nothing.
Its what they called themselves.
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posted January 16, 2023 07:36 PM |
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Did some sort of socialism arrive that we're unaware of?
No. I think it's basically because of massive immigration and overzealous political correctness. They started to read so many things as racism, people feel cornered to the point of "so what if I am, damn it."
You can't not know that and be on twitter, so it must be that you are being incredulous.
People complaining about racism are not any better than the offenders.
I have suffered racism, I did not complain, I went back to my own country and now I am happy. 
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posted January 17, 2023 03:42 AM |
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If what you mean is that you dont care about slanders about racism when it comes to some politicians
Because it is (almost) never racism, the idea the left constantly tries to push that some people don't want to live nearby others is because different melanin levels, because they "look different" is idiotic. There are tons of other conflicting parameters as different life experience, educational, cultural, behavioral, religious, it's amazing that we still have to explain such evidences after observing how our societies fall apart.
So yes, when a politician is accused of racism, which always happens for same reasons - discredit his ideas and shout down the debate, my first thought is that he does good job and the accuser conflates racism with realism.
The thing is, a politician has to go deeper into societal problems than the next door guy, its role is mainly to cross questions about why we accept this or that, why we have to do it, how is beneficial or not for the common interest, he has sometimes to offend some in order to seek truth, and all this without being lightly accused of racism, mysoginism, lgbtphobia or whatever.
Because when you have to fix things, you might have to push some politically correctness boundaries, while when you only spend your time to critic what others say without giving an inch of a solution, you are worthless.
And until now, I was never proved wrong, as those accusations are often over petty things, like here. While the big elephant in the room still stomps everything around.
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posted January 17, 2023 08:24 AM |
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posted January 17, 2023 08:38 AM |
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artu said:
And being a racist in this age tells a lot about a person's quality, if you cant even qualify as a decent person, you cant qualify as a leader.
I can understand not looking anachronical at pre-WW2 leaders and give them a pass here and there because some level of racism was the norm back in those days but I sure wont vote for a racist today under any conditions.
I agree with what you say, however, what is really racism and what is not is up for debate.
And by the way, my fiancee is black African. And I am white.
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posted January 17, 2023 04:22 PM |
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@Drakon
Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Hope you two will be happy together.
@Sal
Look, you recently said something similar yourself, if racism was just about melanin, then Hitler wasnt a racist to Jews. Race is not a word to be taken literally anymore when it comes to the concept. There are types and doses of racism which involve xenophobia, cultural stereotyping and profiling. I'm not suggesting that all integration problems are caused by racist attitude of host locals, I know for a very fact that the immigrating parties can be at fault, too. Espacially in the case of radical Islam and similar ideologies, but you dont only have radical Islam, you also have Neo-Nazis. And not every problem caused by immigration is one-sided.
We are either going to switch to a totally and radically different economy, whatever that will be (socialism certainly failed) or such conflicts will be solved by mutual understanding and open dialogue. Because as things are, suggesting the global economy stays as it is, wealth and power accumulates in certain transnational companies from first world countries, meanwhile there shall be no immigration is, in practice, suggesting some countries of the world remain as sweatshops. It's saying "Hey, I love my iPhone at this price but I dont wanna see any Chinese around." It's hypocrisy.
And claiming the West is "falling apart" is a little overblown. We live in an era of fast and shocking change, the internet changed everything, smart phones, now upcoming AI's... Such eras always bring the fear of apocalypse with them. The world has seen and passed much worse.
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posted January 17, 2023 04:28 PM |
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Thank you Artu. Much obliged.
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