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posted April 14, 2004 06:36 PM |
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What's your point?
Did God had to make race of people who don't have freedom so they are forced to worship Him?
Or he must constantly fix and repair the Earth, so eartquake doesn't happen and we would live in paradise?
Itīs not my job to struggle with the logical problems of your religion.
My point is that this god of yours either did not want to help, or was not able to help, or did not know what happened, or does not exist.
Missed my point. Read and ask for advice if I write too hard for you
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posted April 14, 2004 06:41 PM |
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Your "point" is a neither gramatically nor logically consistent dodging around.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:42 PM |
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I guess we're not playing Devil's Advocate? 
Oh well.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:44 PM |
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No, you missed the meaning. You interpreted my two questions as my lack of knowledge - "it's not my job to sttrugle with...your religion" (something like that)
My point is clear. Read all the thread. As far as I look, you all are attacking my view, but you haven't made it clear which statement do you represent.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:47 PM |
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Actually, you were the first to attack the other side. We're just defending our opinions. Got a problem with that?
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posted April 14, 2004 06:49 PM |
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No, I just said that I find atheism illogical and wanted to see things from an atheist corner, but then attack on my opinion started.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:50 PM |
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Hmmm. No? This is a great discussion though.  Let's keep going! 
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posted April 14, 2004 06:52 PM |
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I'm just afraid we're gonna quarrel and argue
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posted April 14, 2004 06:54 PM |
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Hmmm, that does appear to be a danger. That is why I wanted to play Devil's Advocate. You actually have to think to defend your enemy. Besides, then you start to see the holes in your own arguments.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:54 PM |
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Actually, saying that a logic based view is completely illogical is a bit of an insult to those who share that view. And I do.
Also, we didn't attack your religion. Instead, we were pointing out how very illogical your version is.
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posted April 14, 2004 06:58 PM |
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I apologize if I offended someone. Perhaps I was too sharp on Lews, but I'm a little sensitive on these things. Every day some atheist who knows everything about the world tries to make me see how things are really going. I start a debate, it is immediatly interrupted because I live in Middle age by believing in God. They are not for something, they are just against everything. NOT atheists, just these guys.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:01 PM |
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True. Some people actually by defending atheism, do it so badly that you're actually better off than when you started. If you want a debate, debate with the leader instead of the lackeys. Both sides are guilty of beating the incopetents and saying that they beat atheism/christianity.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:01 PM |
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My point is clear.
Yes, your point is clearly that god would have been able to interfere, but did not want to.
You try defend this moral problem by
1) ignoring what I said in regard of your free will argument.
2) asking me whether god must fix the things that work not so well in his supposed creation.
If he is supposed to be benevolent, of course he must!
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posted April 14, 2004 07:05 PM |
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Actually he shouldn't. God isn't some Superman, saving the world from every little thing.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:05 PM |
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Example: Itīs a fact Auschwitz did happen.
Was god not able to interfere? Then he is not almighty.
Did god not want to prevent it? Then he is not good.
Did god not know about Auschwitz? Then god is not all-knowing.
God was able, but if he interfered, he would have took the man his most precious gift: the freedom to do what he desires.
The people who were gassed didn't have much freedom to do what they desired.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:06 PM |
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But he benevolently gave us free will. And I told that my opinion is that He interferes, but not always. God's wisdom chooses when to interfere, and when not.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:08 PM |
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But still, you have failed to provide examples of those "interferences"
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posted April 14, 2004 07:11 PM |
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But still, you have failed to provide examples of those "interferences"
If He stoped something, how should I know that "something" could happen? Only when He answers my prayers I know that He interfered. So I know that He is interfering sometimes.
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posted April 14, 2004 07:12 PM |
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Honestly, has he ever answered your prayers?
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Fenix
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posted April 14, 2004 07:14 PM |
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Yes, He did many times. He wouldn't ofcourse answer me if I aksed HIm to give me a car, but He helps in uselfish prayers, like for very sick people. He is also spurce of my internal strength
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