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Corribus
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posted October 11, 2010 04:01 PM |
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Binabik is right this place is one big free for all without any moderation whatsoever. I'm not saying that to make you look bad or anything but it's the state of things wouldn't you agree?
The thing is moderation is not banning a topic.
Just highlighting this so it wasn't buried within your post. That's about as accurate a statement as could be made about the situation.
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Adrius
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posted October 11, 2010 08:29 PM |
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Agreed on everything Azzie said.
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Elodin
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posted October 19, 2010 04:10 AM |
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I am interested in whether the "no negative comments" about any person or group or belief is going to actually be enforced. There seems to be a lot of negative comments since the "ruling." I need to know if negative comments can be made against America, Christianity and conservative ideas but negative comments can't be made against atheism, coutries besides America, and liberals. Because so far the "ruling" is not being enforced. Anyways, as always, I am only seeking equality for all.
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posted November 10, 2010 06:39 AM |
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I don't have as much time as I have had in the past due to personal issues. If there is a post that posters think is not appropriate, please feel free to HCM me. Note: I may not, and do not have to agree with you on the matter..thank you for your time.
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The_Gootch
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posted November 10, 2010 08:45 AM |
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I am interested in whether the "no negative comments" about any person or group or belief is going to actually be enforced.
Yup. It's being enforced.
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Corribus
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posted November 10, 2010 03:32 PM |
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And very haphazardly and inconsistently at that.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted November 10, 2010 04:03 PM |
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If the current mods are busy due to whatever reason, perhaps new mods should be appointed?
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posted November 10, 2010 04:17 PM |
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Maybe if posters posted properly and in an intelligent way then we wouldn't have any problems. And on this forum, do you honestly think anybody would even be willing to moderate this place and be better than the mods we already have? Moderators aren't the problem, it's the posters themselves. moderators can't change how people post, that's for them to do it. If they can post without having to resort to remarks that may insult one another or provoke people then this place would be a hell of a lot better than it is.
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Elodin
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posted November 11, 2010 12:45 AM |
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Ah, so now my QP count has gone frrom +1 ot -1 with not an explaination one. Two more stealth penalties to match the two I was granted before.
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Yup. It's being enforced.
Apparently it has not been enforced since the declaration was made about a month ago but suddenly it is now? I waited quite a time before starting to post any negative comments since the Mytical was posting in the OSM and other forums but not enforcing the "no negative comments" rule, even posting my earlier request in this feedback thread but was never answered at all.
As always the moderation of the OSM is one sided, biased, and unfair.
I'll make a list and we will easily see that it is not in fact being enforced with equity.
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Salamandre
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posted November 11, 2010 01:05 AM |
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I can't see neither a reason for which Elodin was penalized (a moderator comment should be necessary for such action). People were surprised when he got rewarded, now I guess it is same for penalty. Throwing penalties because had a bad day? Then let someone else to mod and focus on personal problems. What happened to this place?
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posted November 11, 2010 01:47 AM |
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From the first 7 pages of the Tea Party thread, which is all I have time to do at the moment.
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Honestly, with all the dumb **** the Tea-Party candidates say, i'm surprised the entirety of the US hasn't risen up in bloody rebellion and crushed them all. Instead they actually have a chance at office.
Here Tea Party candidates are called dumb. A negative comment.
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Doomforge, the reason that religions are obsessed with sex is fairly obvious. It could be argued that moral frameworks are concerned with sex because sex is a vector for disease and inter/intracommunity violence. That might be true, but religions (well powerful religious institutions) are concerned about sex for another reason. Sex is a point of leverage over human thought and action - control sex and you control people. Money is power, true, but sex is power even more so. Control sex and you control people. Control people and you control money. Control money and you control everything.
Very untrue and negative comments about religion.
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Because humans are slaves to their biochemistry. Every human has a biochemical need to reproduce. So when you are able to tell humans that it is wrong to satisfy those biochemical needs in certain ways, and when you are able to demand penance from people who are too weak to obey, then you control people and you control wealth. How do you think the Catholic Church was able to amass such a fortune? The threat of eternal damnation, of course, is a powerful motivator to give up your earthly possessions.
False and negative comments about Catholicism.
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The conclusion is that the Catholic Church draws profit from masturbation.
Another false and negative statement about Catholicism.
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Silly Church. As if an omnipotent deity has nothing better to do with his time than be concerned that some teenager is spanking it to internet porn.
If you can't profit from it, you must condemn it!
More false and negative statements about Catholicism.
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who says it is a moral problem?
it's a problem that have been created by centuries of stupid beliefs and traditions, but I don't think it's fundamentaly a problem.
it is usually said, you shouldn't "steal" the partner of someone else, because it will cause jealousy. it's the same thing as just "you shouldn't steal". if we didn't consider our partners as our property, there would be no problem.
Calling a religion's teachings stupid is a negative comment.
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As the Church developed into a political institution, these laws were expanded and became a potent source of power and wealth for the Church.....It's about psychology. It's about guilt.
Think about it: why does our society have such a hangup on sex but not so much of a hangup on violence? Simple, because sex is easier to exploit,.....The long and short of it is that people fear what they don't know. The greatest unknown is what happens after death. So you concoct a great story about some horrible place where bad people go when they die, and you concoct fifty thousand rules, the breaking of which will land you there, and you make sure that many of these rules are impossible NOT to break, and you set yourself up as the only person "bad people" can go to in order to avoid this place. Hell, people smart enough to come up with such a great system of exploitation and maintain it for two thousand years deserve to be in charge.
More false and negative comments about a church.
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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for
Degeneration and/or complete lack of brain cells?
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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for
Like hell she is. Sarah Palin is the personification of all the people with IQs below 50. My left toenail has more intelligence than her.
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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for.
This, except it's not a good thing.
Negative statement about Palin.
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Wait... Palin? I thought she's dumb. Democrats would have to be half-retarded to make her a superior choice.
Negative statement about Palin.
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Yeah, not dumb at all
Sarcastic negative statement in a post that had false claims and out of context quotes and second hand quotes attributed to Palin.
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Even I, who think that Obama is one of the worst, most unwise and ham-handed presidents we've had in quite some time (if not ever), would consider voting for Obama over Sarah Palin.
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Palin was a very clever opportunist to dump her Governor job and make tons of money exploiting high speaking fees. She's an entrepreneur selling Palin Inc, and it's selling quite well. Nobody should begrudge her of that business sense. There is also a fairly large difference between ignorance and stupidity.
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The kind of discourse that is hijacking the Tea Party from responsible conservatives to government overinflaters less responsible types.
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Don't you feel that's moronic?
Negative statement about one of O'Donnell's positions.
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Oh my God.. So it IS you.. It's people like YOU who put monkeys into seats of power....
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Like hell she is. Sarah Palin is the personification of all the people with IQs below 50. My left toenail has more intelligence than her.
... Sooo doesn't that kind of make her the personification of what the tea part stands for?
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Ahhh hypocrism at its finest.
Personal attack against me.
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Considering the level of intelligence of her audiences I wouldn't go about calling that an achievement to praise her for.
Negative comment about the Tea Party.
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That's because politics are only accesable to the rich in America. Because that's democracy
Negative comment about America and democracy.
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I don't understand why such freaks mean to represent a serious party. Can't they get more normal people? Not the not-very-bright Palin, that Nazi cos-player Rich and ex-witch O'Donnell who claims condoms an offense towards mankind?
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She's a freak politician: her points make no sense, are dangerous and bigoted. Hence my question, why does your party of choice allow such people to represent it?
Negative comments about O'Donnel.
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You are a wierd person and I'd really want to know what logic is behind all of that.
Personal attack against me.
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Adrius
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posted November 11, 2010 02:01 AM |
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The funny thing is Elodin is absolutely correct 
If moderators are to support the "no negative comments" rule they have no choice but to act.
*leans back in chair and summons popcorn box*
Let chaos... commence!
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posted November 11, 2010 02:05 AM |
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I agree, everyone in the OSM should be penalised...
Forever...
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posted November 11, 2010 07:13 AM |
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Elodin is right...to a certain degree.
You either penalize ALL or NONE.
But, as mentioned earlier already, a mod is a human. HE/She handles a bunch full of members and their actions. After a short period, you get a "picture" of a member and the way he talsk/writes/acts.
So if you have a kind of "negative" picture (negative meant in the way "there is always something suspicious when he /she writes something. Alway close in crossing the line"), you read posts of those much more carefully, and therefor, find those negative things easier.
Not correct, for sure, but that's the (current) way it is.
But to be honest, I don't think we should ban negative comments at all. Of course people do not have positive opinions about everything. Of course we can criticize thing, and those critics mostly come along with a negative comment.
But that's just me....
@ Elodin
The 2 "invisible" penalties seem to be handed out in the tea-party thread, as far as I could read in the mod book. Just read back the last pages.
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posted November 11, 2010 08:27 AM |
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@ Elodin
The 2 "invisible" penalties seem to be handed out in the tea-party thread, as far as I could read in the mod book. Just read back the last pages.
This is the second time in about 3 months a mod has given me 2 stealth penalties at a time and been too cowardly to admit that they were the one to do it because there is no way they could justify their action. Some mod has a personal vendetta against me and lacks the morals to applyl penalties with equity.
I waited quite a while before I made any negative comment at all because I suspected a mod would do something like this. Now a month later a mod wants to slap 2 penalties on me from the shadows.
I asked on OCT 18 for an explaination about how negative comments were going to be enforced since all sorts of negative comments about religion, the tea party, conservatives, and me personally were being made but nothing was being addressed. I waited yet longer before I made any negative comment about anything because I expected exactly what has now happened.
The mod that has a personal vendetta against me becvause of my beliefs has unfairly penalized me yet again and did it yet again in stealth mode. He should grow a pair and come out of the shadows and at least say "So what, I'm going to ban you no matter what you do."
Since it should be obvious to everyone who reads the thread that any negative comment I made is no more negative than any comment anyone else made the stealh penalties against me should be reversed. Oh, also, unlike certain others, I made no personal attack on anyone. Furthur the mod that showed bias and bigotry by singling me out for two penalties because of my beliefs should step down as that mod is assigning penalties out of a pure personal vendetta against one community member.
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posted November 11, 2010 09:31 AM |
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This last penalty nonsense has pissed me off so much that I won't post here anymore. One reason was this little gem of a post here out of the Other Games/Disciples 3 thread which I quote in the following. Note, that this post has been penalized with -1 qp and not been edited in any way (otherwise I couldn't quote it).
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A stupid fu-cker like valeriy who has a stupid name and appoints stupid people as mods. (At least in the past)
Then for some stupid reason they never banned William the foolish wit, when he crossed the line on so many occasions.
What, did William promise to give 1 pound a month just so he could stay on the board?
Val the coock sucking, dog fu-cking, yellow piss drinking, sh!!t eating, retard looking sonuvab!!tch whose pure motivation is $$.
On to ex-people like RMS and Lichking. They can suck my as-hole. Because they suck.
Pandora is a stupid b!!tch by the way.
Maybe it was a bit unfortunate that I read this just before I found I had been penalized for a lengthy and rather constructive post in the tea party thread, that featured an If...Then combination replying to a phrase in Elodin's last post. I was informed that the -qp would be removed, if I edited the offensive "lines" out. Since I couldn't find more than one sentence, that might be considered offensive - even though I had a problem even with that -, but certainly no "lines", I simply deleted the whole post and decided to quit.
The reason behind this is, that I find this kind of "moderation" rather offensive, but since there is no way to actually change this, the only consequence left is quitting.
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posted November 11, 2010 02:48 PM |
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Well, I don't see why negative comments related to religion, the tea party, conservatives or stuff like that should be penalized... though negative personal comments should of course be penalized. I personally think that some of those comments are very very right, but still.
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posted November 11, 2010 02:59 PM |
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Well, I don't see why negative comments related to religion, the tea party, conservatives or stuff like that should be penalized... though negative personal comments should of course be penalized. I personally think that some of those comments are very very right, but still.
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posted November 11, 2010 02:59 PM |
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I agee with EDN. Personal attacks should be penalised, other stuff no (unless it's repeated off topic nonsense which would be considered spam.
The thing with the OSM, though, is that it's a hard forum to moderate. The OSM is hard because the people have their own opinions about everything regarding real life. In the Tavern, for example, it's easier to moderate because the discussions don't get to a poijnt of potentially heated debate but the OSM does because people speak about things that they feel strongly about. So in that respect, I can understand why this place is so hard to moderate because the mods could seem biased if they penalise one thing but not another (possibly because they don't agree with the penalised post).
I was reading back through the OSM Feedback last night and this was an issue in late 2004 I believe and sadly is still an issue now. You can't silence everybody because then what's the point of this board and by silencing everybody I mean their opinions. You can't penalise one thing but not the others but then if you penalise the others then it quickly becomes a mess. I think the best thing to do for this forum is to sit back and moderate but not hand out penalites UNTIL you see somebody start calling somebody a ****head or something like that. A moderator shouldn't get in the way of how topics are discussed. They can step in where it's absolutely necessary such as when somebody loses their cool but they should NOT try to change how posters are.
I mean, sure, a lot of people dislike the way Elodin posts. His unnecessary quoting of things he finds offensive (but others don't), his mentioning of religion and so forth. A lot of people dislike the way JJ posts in that he is very stubborn in his way of discussing and seems to only see his own point of view. At the end of the day though, that's the way they post and why should they be penalised for it? I've seen some really stupid penalties given to some people in the OSM for the most bizarre things and it seriously makes you realise exactly why the activity in this forum is going down. If the moderation isn't good then problems arise especially in this case when somebody gets penalised for absolutely bugger all and then somebody threatens to leave this forum. Way to go, great moderating.
Like I said before, only step in where it's needed otherwise it's unnecessary moderating, especially in THIS forum. In the Tavern then it's fine but it's hard enough to judge what is worthy of a QP and worthy of a penalty right no because this forum is all about people and their thoughts on real life matters. It's discussion and moderators shouldn't try to step in with that. Just let things go freely until somebody breaks the CoC by insulting another member.
In saying all that: Elodin, don't change the way you're posting. If it's your opinion then you have the right to post it regardless of what people think. JJ, don't leave this forum. I know that mistakes happen a lot here but you're an asset to this community and your posting helps keep the OSM alive. It'd be crap if you did leave because of an unfortunate mistake.
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Doomforge
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posted November 11, 2010 03:06 PM |
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I could handle moderating OSM, of that I'm sure. Compared to replays.pl forum I moderated, this is the most civil, constructive place ever. You should see that battlezone of a forum that I had to deal with 3 years ago  Now that was something. A mixture of intelligent posters sneaking insults well-masked under gentle posts and raging 13yo kids.
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