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Isn't god suppose to care and love all beings he or/she created? also the gaysexual ones?
What's a gaysexual? Lol
Actually, some satanists are atheist, and their religion is about self indulgence.
All these races, and religions. All it causes is hatred and discord between factions, countries, and religions, races. People who sit there and say "It's gods will" when people fight for their countries, and don't pay attention to the people that are innocent and dying.
Peace is a word that does not exist until everyone is dead. It's as simple, and sad as that. 
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There is not one person at my church who would look at a psychic and go, "Eugh I hate people like you." They wouldn't even think it, and I can say that with confidence. Christians aren't here to persecute, and you can't put full blame on Christians of today because of the crusades that happened so long ago.
Your confidence proves nothing. I know christians thinking that murder is justifiable, if god tells you to do it. I have heard that I will burn in hell because I don't take the Bible literally! Oh christians DO persecute.
I am not saying that is the true christian way, as it is not. Your overall good post about christianity is an example of it. If only people thought more like you... But your unquestionable belief in the followers of christ is just naive. People can be true fanatics reading the Bible literally, not understanding the consept of symbolism. Others in their greed use religion as a tool to gain what they want.
Those things give christianity a bad name. Thats not what Jesus tought, but those things are real and remain. You should be critical even to fellow christians; perhaps they are not as collective in thinking as you think.
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Yes, the crusades were bad, yes, modern terrorism is bad too, but neither of them make the other right. The point that I believe is trying to be made is that they both come under the same catagory: religious atrocities, of which there are many more than those two examples. Most wars were faught over religion, even World War Two, (although no one puts the blame on religion in this instance.
Oh I am definately not saying that the crusades were more okay than modern terrorism, or vice versa. They're both caused by religious quarrels and I know this topic would go into the thread created about religion being at fault, so I guess I'll sneak over there later on. 
All I was trying to say was that it wasn't necessarily right to just point out the crusades and say "Ha, look what the Christians did!" When we well know that the crusades aren't the only thing that caused massacre.
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Again. We're not blaming God, or targeting christianity. It's an argument over whether religion is bad. Did religion cause these killings?
But sure, alot of crime and killings were nothing to do with religion, too. Maybe this woman would have killed her kids even if she'd never heard of god. Who knows
Well, Yan was on the subject of Christianity when he spoke of the crusades, so I was guessing that fingerpointing was part of the process, thus we're on the subject of God.
I think this woman was plain crazy. What I remember is that she was judged lightly because she was labled as insane. She got a life sentence but was locked up at a mental asylum instead of state jail, which I guess was a fair sentence, but that's beside the point.
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I think horoscopes are stupid, sure
But in a way, seperate from all specific examples and completely unrelated, isn't blind faith in something you've never seen any evidence supporting, to the extent you throw your whole life and your actions towards it, a little unwise?
I think you can have a perfectly good life without having to believe in a higher entity.
And what if, the woman believes so strongly that god will heal her child, that she shuns modern medicine, resulting in the death of her child? Is that beautiful? This has been the case many times.
To tell you the truth, I think horoscopes are pretty stupid as well. Some of my friends still do those silly things and I can't help but giggle a little once in a while. 
I think that blind faith is a very good thing because it strengthens people in rough situations. Some people just need to put their faith into something to carry on their lives, and it isn't just God. It's just a way for some to function. It doesn't have to be strictly religious.
I would never go as far as entrusting God with my dying child, I'm not saying that is correct to do, but then again, there are people that entrust their children to witchdoctors instead of using modern medecine and that's just as bad.
And I don't believe that that case as occured many times. Modern day Christians, at least the once I experience every day, would never believe in such a thing. I, myself, am a very sickly child, and am currently suffering from a broken tendon and a bruised bone in my foot. Would I, or my parents, depend on God to heal my foot or a cast from my local doctor? I pick the cast, thanks.
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The bible say that homosexuals are an abomination.
And it is true that alot of christians try to ban books that are 'sacreligious', like Harry Potter. Not that I would mine if harry potter was banned
I also saw a movie which people were quoting the bible to say that black people 'aren't part of god's flock' or something, although I can't quite remember so I don't know for sure...
I have yet to find where that is stated. I have many homosexual friends and I agree with their lifestyle. I may not understand it, but I don't believe a Christian gay man would go to hell, which many Christians firmly believe. I am not protecting every belief in the Christian world here, I'm defending my beliefs. The quote that black people aren't part of God's flock is a myth. That's definately not in the bible.
The reason that slavery was "justified" by the slave owners in early American times was because Moses supposedly had a black son who supposedly became a slave, but that was just the twisting of words to form an excuse to maintain slavery.
I don't like Harry Potter either, (not for religious reasons,) but it says nowhere in the bible that we cannot read about the unseen, be it good or evil. It says though that we should watch what we fill ourselves with because the things we watch, read, and do will be what God judges us on in the after life.
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You're right, some athiests are bad people, but so are some people of every religion.
Does religion affect whether people are bad, or do bad people fall under every catagory, regardless?
In my opinion, some religions have a bit more bad people than others and some religions just don't make positive contributions to the world, which to me makes the religion pretty pointless. If you're going to slum around and make the world a dirtier one in every sense of the world, then find a corner and do it by yourself.
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First off: Satanists = Athiests.
Satanists believe in the devil, who athiests believe is just as false as God.
Satanists aren't necessarily atheists. Most Satanists actually believe in God, they just worship the opposite of God; Satan, just like Christians worship God, but still recognize that Satan exists.
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All heads aren't turned to Christians either. At the moment muslims are getting alot of the blame, even though most of them have nothing to do with terrorism. In universities in australia they are putting in special areas where muslims can wash their feet before they prey, in the bathrooms. But these have to be locked with a keycode so that the muslims don't get bashed while they're in there... As I said there are alot of bad people out there.
And I know that your particular sect of christianity is a somewhat less extreme type. I'm pretty sure I know just what sort of people go to your church, in fact alot better than you think I know (if that makes sense ).
But strictly, (and this is not directed to you personally or anything) the bible does put forward the guidelines to go to heaven, saying how we are born with sin, and the acts defined as sin are performed daily by many people nowadays. But then of course, you can just ask for forgiveness.
If only that were true. Go out and do whatever you want, and then just ask for permission to get into heaven? Sweet deal.
Of course, everyone has their own interpretation of the bible.
Everything said in here is totally understandable. I have found myself thinking very similar thoughts and your points make perfect sense to me.
My parents make my Christianity into an extreme type, hating homosexuals and running around in circles screaming "praise be to God, send down the thunder!" I'm more of a mellow example of what I believe in. There are always twists and turns, depending on how you translate the bible, and some people abuse this ability to the max...like for example...well...my parents.
How I see it...is that God knows all. If we carry around the mindset that you described above, that we can intentionally just go around and sin and then just ask for permission is not really part of what Christians follow. God knows your true intention. He sees your heart. If you go and slap your neighbor and the shrug and say "Gee God, I'm sorry..," and God sees no forgiveness in your heart, your apology was just words. That's how I see it, if that's reasonable enough.
But the fact that they have to put keycodes in for that..eugh..it makes me boil. I don't discriminate any religion in those terms and it makes me angry to know that things like keycodes are necessary to keep them safe. That's outrageous.
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It actually hurts some of my homosexual friends.
Here in my country we have positive-gay politics. But now the christian-politicians want to take that away again, and bring our politics back to the prehistory, turn the life of gay people into a living hell again.
Isn't god suppose to care and love all beings he or/she created? also the gaysexual ones?
It hurts my homosexual friends too. Depending on the type of Christianity you believe in, homosexuality is a sin or it is by nature fine. In my belief system, homosexual couples have just as much right to be in love as heterosexual couples. But it isn't just Christians that stand against homosexuals, so I can't really help you there..
God does care and love all beings, including the gays. God loves nazis, muslims, catholics, satanists, psychics, you..and me!
Now, I'll speak from a Christians point of view that consider homosexuality to be a sin just to show to you what their argument is:
God loves sinners but sinners do not belong in heaven. The key to heaven is to believe that Jesus died and rose again for you and to follow the holy word, aka, the Bible. Now, if someone believes that homosexuality is a sin, then they obviously believe that even though God loves them, he cannot take them into heaven. Mind you, this is not what I believe personally.
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All these races, and religions. All it causes is hatred and discord between factions, countries, and religions, races. People who sit there and say "It's gods will" when people fight for their countries, and don't pay attention to the people that are innocent and dying.
Peace is a word that does not exist until everyone is dead. It's as simple, and sad as that.
I disagree. All religion causes isn't just hatred and discord. That seems to be, in my opinion, sort of off topic from what we're currently discussing. This doesn't necessarily have to do with war in other countries. Religion has always been a reason for detruction and war, not always including God, but there have always been other reasons for destruction and war, like money and "weapons of mass destruction" as Bush would say.
Peace is rare and hard to obtain but if you look at the world at a smaller scale, you can keep peace quite easily. Start with keeping peace with your siblings and your peers, and keep peace where you can. That's all you can do, and thinking of the positive is always better than always focusing on the negative.
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Your confidence proves nothing. I know christians thinking that murder is justifiable, if god tells you to do it. I have heard that I will burn in hell because I don't take the Bible literally! Oh christians DO persecute.
I am not saying that is the true christian way, as it is not. Your overall good post about christianity is an example of it. If only people thought more like you... But your unquestionable belief in the followers of christ is just naive. People can be true fanatics reading the Bible literally, not understanding the consept of symbolism. Others in their greed use religion as a tool to gain what they want.
Those things give christianity a bad name. Thats not what Jesus tought, but those things are real and remain. You should be critical even to fellow christians; perhaps they are not as collective in thinking as you think.
Oh I definately agree with you that Christians do persecute, but so do many other belief systems as well. I just didn't want fingers to be constantly pointed at one group of people. I know people, like my parents that obsess over what's sin and what is not, and they are the reason that I stopped believing in God for two years of my life. They are a bad example of Christian at times because the sin so much themselves yet they judge others, like the hypocrites they can be.
I definately agree with what you're saying, I'm just trying to look at the warmer, lighter side of Christianity because everything feels to be so negative. I would never in the right mind say that all Christians are right and are good and everyone else are bad. Never in a life time. Every religion, cult, or belief system has flaws that will always go unsolved and that's the confusion and the tumbles of life.
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After years of being an atheist I was thrust into the unfortunate postition of leading the Protestants in my platoon during boot camp in prayer, and all because I was getting irritated at how they were butchering the lord's prayer that first night we were huddled together in our respective groups. I laugh to this day about the irony. I was a card carrying atheist and my nickname was Rev, short for Reverend.
It wasn't until a few years later that I had a profound experience that changed my life. I didn't reconvert to avoid being a total fraud with my brothers. I didn't reconvert because all of a sudden I was filled with the holy spirit.
I reconverted because I had a conversation with god a few years ago. It was bizarre to say the least. Skeptics and naysayers will declare me insane or just deceiving myself. They will tell me the voice I had in my head was my subconscious manifesting itself as the gentle authority of my higher power and telling me what I wanted to hear. And who can blame them? I would too if I was reading this and one of you yahoos was recounting this.
My ego simply wouldn't allow me to believe that one could have a conversation with something that doesn't exist in my mind if only for the reason that I didn't have that conversation first. And if some poor bastard is having a conversation with the grand poobah in the sky then why aren't I important enough to have a conversation with him/it?
I would be inclined to agree with you dregs about organized religion. I've no use for it. But if someone wants to discuss with me a relationship with god that doesn't involve scripture they will find a willing and understanding ear. I've had little experience with faith in my life and my turnabout was only possible through an intense personal experience.
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I disagree. All religion causes isn't just hatred and discord. That seems to be, in my opinion, sort of off topic from what we're currently discussing. This doesn't necessarily have to do with war in other countries. Religion has always been a reason for detruction and war, not always including God, but there have always been other reasons for destruction and war, like money and "weapons of mass destruction" as Bush would say.
Don't ask where the quote thing went... I meant on a global scale, whether it be animal, bug, or human, there will always be war. Peace is when everyone agrees and gets along. There will always be people hating each other, it's something we just have to live with.
I know what you mean, it's peaceful here in New Zealand and I love living here. It's just hard to sit there happily while you know that war, famine and pestilence all cause widespread death and disagreement.
I just find all this hard to swallow if a god does exist. Why suffering? Why pain?
God says at one point "You will not be responsible for the actions of your ancestors" and yet we have "Original sin". The bible need not have been filled with such quotes, it does nothing but make it hards to believe.
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Then I guess were all going to hell.
probally almost half the population is gay & many experienced something bad in life.
Like george Carlin says with his dark jokes .
If you sin.
God will throw you in the pit for eternity with suffering & pain.
But he still loves you
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I would never go as far as entrusting God with my dying child, I'm not saying that is correct to do, but then again, there are people that entrust their children to witchdoctors instead of using modern medecine and that's just as bad.
And I don't believe that that case as occured many times. Modern day Christians, at least the once I experience every day, would never believe in such a thing. I, myself, am a very sickly child, and am currently suffering from a broken tendon and a bruised bone in my foot. Would I, or my parents, depend on God to heal my foot or a cast from my local doctor? I pick the cast, thanks.
More often in the past than now, alot of devout Christians did shun modern medicine though... And you're right, it is similar to how some people turn to witchcraft.
And have you seen the Da Vinci code? In that they talk about how the catholic church started the witchhunts to kill off the women so that they couldn't take the power over men away from the church?
Interesting idea. I'm not saying I believe it, just that I'd never thought about that before I saw the movie... I don't rlly know much about the witch hunts.. apart from monty python
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I have yet to find where that is stated. I have many homosexual friends and I agree with their lifestyle. I may not understand it, but I don't believe a Christian gay man would go to hell, which many Christians firmly believe. I am not protecting every belief in the Christian world here, I'm defending my beliefs. The quote that black people aren't part of God's flock is a myth. That's definately not in the bible.
The reason that slavery was "justified" by the slave owners in early American times was because Moses supposedly had a black son who supposedly became a slave, but that was just the twisting of words to form an excuse to maintain slavery.
Mentioned in Corinthians...
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. CORINTHIANS 6:9-10
and an interpretive exerpt from Leviticus:
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. LEVITICUS 8:22
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. LEVITICUS 20:13
and also mentioned in Romans:
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. ROMANS 1:25-27
I never knew that about the son of Moses, though. As I said before, it's all interpretive.
But in this movie (the name escapes me) the man says something like
"I would never hunt a deer. A deer is one of gods creations. But a ******, on the other hand, a ****** is not one of his flock."
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First off: Satanists = Athiests.
Satanists believe in the devil, who athiests believe is just as false as God.
Satanists aren't necessarily atheists. Most Satanists actually believe in God, they just worship the opposite of God; Satan, just like Christians worship God, but still recognize that Satan exists.
Yeah haha actually I tried to do that "does not equal" sign with the crossed out equals but I obviously failed miserably. I meant to say Satanists are not athiests, but the opposite.
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What do you mean, you had a conversation with god? I don't understand. If you don't mind, could you elaborate?
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The bible is filled with parables and stories that Jesus told in order to make it more understandable for the people. He didn't just sit down and say, "Blah blah you are God's children and he loves you blah blah." He used parables and stories using symbolism and metaphors to make it easier to understand. Christianity was new to the people during the time, and the parables of Jesus are still widely used in sermons everywhere.
Actually the Bible is full of accounts of people (usually the disciples) who don't understand the parables. Jesus deliberately used metaphors; like that people have to consider what point he's trying to make. He could have explained them to the disciples (and a few times he does) but the point is that they must work out the meaning themselves. Speaking in parables have another strength as well; even today we can easily relate to what he talks about.
Oh, and there was no such thing as Christianity at the time of Jesus. He looked upon himself as a reformer of Judaism.
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That's natural, but naturally, people sin.
Ah yes. But that is such a negative approach to life, don't you think?
There has been a lot of mud throwing on the last pages. Why are we discussing the fundamental and literate interpretations of christianity vs atheism? Where did everything in between go? Why are we discussing the institution of the church and all it's foul actions instead of the religion itself?
Blaming the religion itself is like blaming the owner of the weapons shop. Religion has been abused countless times to justify crimes/wars "in the name of xxx". That is a quite political correct statement, I know, but I do not belong to those who see no connection between Islam and arabic terrorism.
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posted January 30, 2007 01:51 PM |
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Why are we discussing the institution of the church and all it's foul actions instead of the religion itself?
Blaming the religion itself is like blaming the owner of the weapons shop.
Ecoris, as always you hit the head on the nail!
If we want to discuss religion, philosophy and God in general, we have to step back and ceise looking at specific quotes from the Bible and specific events from the past. These things describe only some person's interpretation of religion, which may or may not have anything to do with what the religion is actually about.
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one of my very last HC posts
I bashed the reality question to extremes I've seen in no one else.
These following creatures confuse me. Why would god go about it this way?
and atoms.. why not a simple flat texture, similar to what the eyes see?
DnA?
Anyways, I didnt give up. I can NOT give up, because it matters to me. And, to be an athiest, TA, you have to A: Believe in something, and B: without proof awnser the greatest question to man kind. (Whats real, whats the origion, who's god? ect)
come back to searching for awnsers lol.
PS I used to look for signs and stopped..
Reason: I believe if there is a God then he would be very powerful, and powerful enough to know I could use a sign, and mostly, powerful enough to make me see it without my trying minute after minute.
Somewhere the bible talks about large beasts before our time.
The bible contradicts itself, it was written, therefore in earthly ways. It would be much more believable if it was written in a Godly way, all perfect and non contradictory. Many historical facts support it though.
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posted January 31, 2007 03:49 AM |
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I'm interested as to what the ethereal voice said to him. I say he tells us what god discussed with him
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A conversation with god?
Don't you mean mental illness?
I'm not surprised he doesn't have anything to say to you. He told me once while we were skiing he avoids Princesses. Said something about how they're so freaking selfish they make lousy worshippers.
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I say he tells us what god discussed with him
You're right. But not because of what your prediction.
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What do you mean, you had a conversation with god? I don't understand. If you don't mind, could you elaborate?
I mean, I had a conversation with god.
I was driving home from South Carolina a broken man in many different ways. It was my last day of active duty and I was beginning my terminal leave and the start of my new life.
The drive was fifteen hours and I'd never made the trip by myself in one sitting. I didn't have enough money for a motel and the thought of pulling over on the side of the road was pretty damn unappealing.
So I'm puzzling over my options when I'm hit with a jolt of energy and elation I'd never felt before. I furrowed my brow, thinking, "WTF?!"
I was quiet for about a minute. And then for some reason I cannot even explain I said, "Thank you."
"You owe me." a voice said in my head.
"Of course." I replied. "How?"
"Make peace with your wife." it said.
It was an interesting choice of words and I figured I better get some confirmation here.
"You know. What do you mean by 'making peace'? Do you mean reconciliation? Do you want me to try to reconcile?"
"That is entirely up to you." said this disembodied voice.
It was at that point I was pretty convinced I was dealing with god. And while I had his attention I wanted to get some questions answered.
"So is Jesus Christ your son, sent down from heaven? And are we supposed to really believe in the immaculate conception?" I personally always thought it was a crock and Mary had cheated on Joseph with George the Butcher and needed something, anything to explain why she was suddenly pregnant.
"Next question." came the voice.
I paused for a few moments.
"So in ancient times you were the embodiment of hellfire and brimstone. You were an unkind god who did all sorts of horrible things to entire civilizations that displeased you. What happened? Why the change of heart? Why don't we see any of that anymore?"
"Did it ever occur to you I might not have ever been that way?" came the reply.
I didn't press my luck after that. Mind you, this conversation took place around 5:00 p.m. my time. I pulled into Chicago around 5 a.m. the next morning. I felt as invigorated at 5 a.m. as I did at 5 p.m. In my experience adrenalin rushes don't last 12 hours. So what was it?
Was I delusional? Possibly. I won't discount it. I was under a terrible amount of stress and mental anguish at the time.
But maybe, just maybe, god did decide to lend me a helping hand in my time of need. It is a touchy subject, this thing called faith. To many of us who believe in god, we know that his existence cannot be proven empirically. Hell, for the longest time I told people that my religion was Math. But ever since that day my heart changed again and I allowed for the probability that god does in fact exist.
I cannot prove it. But I feel it. And that, my friends, is all I require.
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in the end, it all comes down to that...
some people need to believe in something higher than them... be it an idea, an unseen old guy in haven, or Its Almightyness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster ...as long as each is content in his/her own beliefs, all is well... the problem comes when they try to push them onto others
now, with faith being the key here, this is the reason science and religion can't coexist... science is all about facts, religion is all about faith... if there ever was solid proof that god (any god, not just the abrahamic one) exists, then it would be knowledge, not belief ...and knowledge excludes faith
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posted January 31, 2007 08:04 PM |
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!? Back on topic please.
Lith and Ecoris raise excellent points.
I don't know if the god I spoke to is the god of Abraham or Jacob, nor does it really matter to me. And I agree whole-heartedly that my relationship with god is my buisness and my business alone. I will talk when pressed but I will never prostletyze anyone.
I know what it's like to be told I'm going to burn in hell for being a non-believer. I laughed then and I laugh now.
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As one who made a career here in HC doing just that, I most assuredly deserve coarse reactions and will never take them personally.
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There are "Bible Thumpers" and "Anti-Bible Thumpers". I am neither. I simply believe in compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. I simply believe in a merciful loving God.
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I, personally, choose not to beleive in God.
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I live with my faith in the concequences of my own actions, not that which is, supposedly, destined to you by God.
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I also choose to respect those who do need a sense that there is something greater out there. I just don't. I lead a respectful, good life, not because I was blessed by a greater power, but because I was raised in a healthy environment, and choose good decisions based on my own knowlege.
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I don't even know why I bother explaining myself, because I know there will always be people who think that I am wrong for not believing in God, and I just wish that I could get some respect, like I have for everyone else. I am not saying that everyone is like this, but those that are, always will be...
Thanks for reading my P.O.V. and I hope you will take some of what I say into consideration for this discussion.
EDIT-by-Lith: cleaned up thread... next time, heads will roll
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I live with my faith in the concequences of my own actions, not that which is, supposedly, destined to you by God.
A very sensible thing to believe in. You don't have to worry about anyone saying you're wrong, but everyone is going to express their opinion.
There's a difference between putting forward your differing opinion and saying someone is wrong, which is what some people don't get.
@Gootch:
To be honest you're the only person I've ever heard of who claims to have spoken to god. Did you belive in him before he spoke to you?
And everyone; remember, Jesus loves Osama.
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posted February 04, 2007 05:28 AM |
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I live with my faith in the concequences of my own actions, not that which is, supposedly, destined to you by God.
A very sensible thing to believe in. You don't have to worry about anyone saying you're wrong, but everyone is going to express their opinion.
There's a difference between putting forward your differing opinion and saying someone is wrong, which is what some people don't get.
And everyone; remember, Jesus loves Osama.
Yes, and that is the only problem that iI have with any religous people... but thanks, I try to think sensibly...lol
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posted February 18, 2007 11:01 AM |
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Do not leave God. I don't believe in most off the old testament (Genesis is petty symbolic to me), but God has created this extremely advanced world, thats for sure.
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Ecoris
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posted February 18, 2007 10:43 PM |
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Can you tell me with 100% that all extremely complicated organisms are a mere accident? I think you cannot, that would be like saying that you was there and saw everything grow from the very first micro-organism in the water to the modern human.
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but God has created this extremely advanced world, thats for sure.
Allow to do this piece of unfair quoting, but fortress_fan, you seem to have seen genesis itself?
No, science can't say with 100% certainty that evolution and all that is the correct version. But it's the best explanation.
But look, we are already continuing the discussion of science vs religion. I have said what I think of that already.
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